Ball squirt think tank

[MLT24]

Crazy idea but has anyone tried a new controller? Just maybe our controllers are wearing out just a tad since game came out and that's why more and more plyers are having same problem. I know in TW Golf I had that problem and new controller made a huge difference.

Just a thought... and I always love a new controller. I have played a million holes since release. Maybe it will help?

[nevadaballin]

Mar 3, 2015 3:49:32 GMT -5 MLT24 said:

Crazy idea but has anyone tried a new controller? Just maybe our controllers are wearing out just a tad since game came out and that's why more and more plyers are having same problem. I know in TW Golf I had that problem and new controller made a huge difference.

Just a thought... and I always love a new controller. I have played a million holes since release. Maybe it will help?

I have 2 DS4's for my PS4. The original one I've used since PC Early Access and another one I bought about 6 weeks ago. Both appear to play the same to me - but now i always have one on full battery.

On a separate note, it occurred to me that we are asking for this little $35 game to become a $60 Triple A .... I need to keep that in perspective when I suggest  improvements. It's a credit to the studio that we act like it's already a $60 Triple A.

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Im very quickly losing interest in this game because of this issue. Im hitting what seems like perfect shots then they end up over 20ft away, getting very frustrating.

Even when i hit it offline, the ball squirt exaggerates it and the end result is even worse than it should be.

I enjoy this game immensely and i don't want this issue ruining it for everyone. 

[dlw1964]

Ball squirt think tank ?
The ball squirts
End of discussion

[Deleted]

Mar 3, 2015 6:24:16 GMT -5 @ichaozxd said:

Even when i hit it offline, the ball squirt exaggerates it and the end result is even worse than it should be.

Seriously, I played a couple offline and the game was perfect, but I have over the last couple of months had a few woolah moments where I thought I found it only to be disappointed later.

But playing offline was exactly like playing in the designer for me, it was perfect and any deviation from straight was to be expected due to axis hit and in the direction of the miss.

If offline is also not OK, then it's back to drawing board.

But other people are seeing offline as fine as well. So I'm not giving up on this yet.

I go offline in steam if that helps, not the game menu. Once offline in steam the game is forced to offline mode. Try that and see if helps.

If we can establish online versus offline first, that's a huge step forward to identifying where the problem is, and out of that will come the solution.

Can you post a screenshot like the ones I posted on page 3 while offline. You just hit PRT SCRN on your keyboard, open paint and paste, then upload to photobucket then copy the link into a post.

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Here are three screenshots i took whilst offline on Little Brook Manor:





Notice the second picture.

[mcbogga]

Does anyone have a video of one of these 20feet off shots from tee or fairway that shows the full shot?

[Tim]

Mar 3, 2015 6:57:29 GMT -5 @ichaozxd said:

Here are three screenshots i took whilst offline on Little Brook Manor:





Notice the second picture.

Yea, I noticed it.. what's wrong with it? I play a LOT of rounds and do not notice this like what you guys are talking about. The 9pm cross wind in the above picture should affect the ball more than the headwind at 6/7ish o'clock. Also, in the top picture, you hit it out to the right of the line, so it will jump off more right. In the 2nd picture, you cross it a little at the top, along with the wind, this moves it to the left.

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The 2nd picture is the only picture i am worried about. I know i didn't hit a perfect shot but it shouldn't be that far offline.

By the way im no expert on this and just wanted to post what happens to me.

[fuzion]

Mar 3, 2015 7:33:00 GMT -5 mcbogga said:

Does anyone have a video of one of these 20feet off shots from tee
or fairway that shows the full shot?

My previous post:
(Just an example from one of my rounds a month or so ago)

[Pubknight]

This is going to be my last post in this thread, primarily because Steve seems to take a difference of opinion personally and his counter posts to mine have a feel of hostility.  It is neither welcomed, nor appreciated.

If one cannot post an alternate opinion without being accused of being an HB apologist, or being told to basically shut up, then you aren't looking for discussion on an issue. You are looking for people to agree with you.

Tim posted similar picture by picture thoughts to the recent set of pictures as I did earlier in the thread.
I'm curious to see how Steve responds to him, and if he will respond in a like manner as he did to me.

I still believe what I said in my initial post is correct: that the resulting ball flight is the net effect of the forces in play.
Contrary forces can on occasion make the ball flight look different from the way one would expect it to look, and that causes consternation.

Now regardless of what I believe, others believe something is different.
And that is fine.

I play the game a lot and haven't hit a single shot that, in my opinion, couldn't be explained via the 'net effect'.
I'm not going to get into a big discussion of force vector mathematics, as that is beyond the scope, but that is what I believe to be happening.

I have mentioned dispersion as a realistic expectation.
Not because of random randomness, but because of human fallibility.
HB has spoken before about 'purity of strike' being an influence.
That starts getting very gray, and as soon as you have something that isn't a perfectly straight line back and through, it brings this 'purity of strike' into the mix.
Now, the guys that run this site feel so strongly that a perfectly straight back straight through swing is so rare, that too many of them will get you kicked out of an event.
Thus, this 'purity of strike' likely comes in to play much more often than people may want to think.

In the pictures Steve posted earlier, those are sloppy swings (no offense intended). Expecting any repeatable outcome given those downswings, in my view, is unrealistic.  Further, if the downswing is that crooked, how can one assume the backswing is perfectly straight?
Again, just too many variables.

In the pictures posted on this page, I agree with Tim. The wind vectors, combined with the swing path, make those ball flights reasonable to me.  They are about what I would expect given the net effect of all forces.

And finally, with all that said, let's put this in a bit of context.
Given the tournament scores we are seeing on a week in week out basis, how significant an issue can it really be?

I do find the discussion interesting, and I'll continue to follow the thread, but I won't be posting any more.

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Mar 3, 2015 7:35:57 GMT -5 @ichaozxd said:

The 2nd picture is the only picture i am worried about. I know i didn't hit a perfect shot but it shouldn't be that far offline.

By the way im no expert on this and just wanted to post what happens to me.

It may of been a bit further offline then I would expect as well, but it was offline in the right direction, it matches almost my tests in offline mode. The way I see it as long as the miss is in the right direction it's not to bad.

I think that's what you will find offline mode, that the axis miss is more accurate in the resulting shot.

Picture that cause me concern is #3, that should of been more right.

Thank you for that though, I think you might be on to something, the difference between offline and online might not be so great as I suspected.

I have no idea where to go from here.

I'm playing the 5th round of elz old courses, great fun, rnd 1 -17, I smoked the field, clean round. I just don't see how that is fair, watching ghosts they are all over the place, me I'm stiffing them in teen wind. I'm about to go mid to high 60's under as well. I just don't see that as very fair at all.

[fuzion]

Steve, are you saying that you can play a tour in offline mode, and you get less/no ball squirts?

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I don't know how Steve is doing that at all.

[Deleted]

Pub I'm sure I did not offend you more then you offended me and others with your blinders on.

You made stuff up about how we are seeing the end result. Sort of like the quantum physics theory of making up 29 different universes to allow the math to come out right. But it is a theory on it's own could be considered, but you did not place that on it's own. In support of your theory you also stated that the ball never moves in more than 1 direction. That is not at all true. So that was interpreted as offensive, that was interpreted as a clear attempt to manipulate the discussion away from the topic to a more pleasant how great the game is topic. Doing so with false misleading information is equally offensive.

I have no issue with alternate theories, I welcome them, but you first say it doesn't exist, you then say when presented with the evidence that OK, but it should exist. It's like dropping the equity card on the table to shut the discussion down. Or present example, dropping the I'm offended card on the table to shut the discussion down. It's your constant moving the target that is the most offensive.

Your end result theory has been shot down as everyone does see the ball move in multiple directions during the flight of the ball. Vapour trail and all. Again it's deflection, just moving the target, just complete blinders. I guess I'm just not sure why you care, if you see everything as great and fine, and we are all idiots what does it matter.

I also asked you clearly what you needed to see to convince you, you told me, but immediately began to prepare what your next comments were going to be if presented with your requested evidence. That is clear blinders, that is clear that it does not matter what is presented to you, even if it is exactly as you request, your mind is closed.

I don't know you from Adam, but there are people out there, that no matter what, they feel the absolute need to defend whatever the corporation says or does no matter how heinous the deed. You sound like one of those individuals right now. Why? because I asked what you needed, however the net result of providing that was also going to be useless as you already prepared your next argument in the event it was presented to you.