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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 12:35:14 GMT -5
Yikes, Boo to more grids...just solve the programming network issue of ball squirt. I can usually tell where the ball is relation to my feet as it is. And if the lie isn't always accurate to the ball flight because of ball squirt then why add more immersion ruining graphics. Start by giving us the ability to turn off that awful big bright white flag marker. Just put the info up in the H.U.D. already. In fact there should be a way to put a + - indicator for lie of the ball in relation to feet up in the H.U.D. as well even though I think that would be overkill. -Mike P.S. Is getting more info for ball lie that big of an issue with the scores being posted anyways? Just sayin'.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 12:56:22 GMT -5
]lets debunk that theory right now. backswing is not the cause of the ball squirt. ill repeat, backswing is not the cause of ball squirt. brightail enabled his angle snapping on his mouse and tested it out, thus an effective strait shooter in non tourny rounds testing, and was still getting the ball squirt. HB has said backswing path affects ball flight direction. So, that part is not a theory. As for brightail's example, I would be curious to see what wind he had. A straight shooter swing with a sidewind that had the ball tracer starting to the side the wind was pushing, I would think would back up my notion that what is being represented is the net effect... don't you? i dont think you belong in this thread as you seem to not understand what ball squirting is. simple as that. wind speed and direction has nothing to do with ball squirt, quirt can go in the complete opposite direction and overpower the wind, or go with the wind and multiply the effect. you can play in 0mph, on a flat tee 100% flat, hit the white line perfectly, and end up 20 yards left or right when its all said and done. its not backswing, its not wind, its not ball lie........its random ball squirt, has nothing to do with real golf, it does not seem to effect everyone the same, and that is what this thread is based on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 13:23:31 GMT -5
Well pub obviously you are not going to be convinced. So your explanation is everything is fine and that showed no problem. Great then you should move along as this obviously bores you.
You see 60 feet as deviation ok even when all the factors are identical, and the very next round no deviation being Ok. So if you see it as OK for some to get deviation and others not, why are you bothering to comment.
And if HB says it must be true, no matter how much anyone has tested the crap out of it and found it to be not the case.
Ok then, why don't you head on your merry way then, because this thread will not be about licking HB's taint, but about getting them to fix a problem, and it's not about convincing you there's a problem because obviously that's impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 14:07:01 GMT -5
Past Observations:
In two previous games that I have played (TWO and BFH), they each had a memory leak problem, interestingly enough both of these memory leaks were "unofficially" tied to the friends list feature.
It seemed, the more people you had on your friends list, the worse the memory leak got for that individual.
In both games, it effected the performance server side, causing various problems.
In TWO, I had two accounts, one account with a friends list maxed out, and a second account with zero friends.
The account that was maxed out on friends could only connect to a game once out of say 10 tries, the other 9 would all fail, and on top of this, much of the web related things (this was a web based game) would no longer function.
But on the account that had zero friends, none of the above problems ever came into play. This was from the same PC/location.
In BFH, yet another hybrid of a web based game (played in windows, same as TWO, and ironically both owned by EA) it had some of the same connectivity problems when trying to join a game if your friends list was pretty numerous, the more friends you had, the worse the experience, once this was learned, many of us dumped all but a few of our friends, and only kept the core group of guys we played with regularly with. If by chance we could connect to a server with a large friends list, our server side ping would be off the charts netting a higher chance of missing our target even if we were on target on our screen, in short, the players we were shooting at had moved in location before our screen showed it, making it very hard to have any accuracy, but dumping the friends list, changed this.
The reason I brought this up, is.....the ball squirt problem seems to be getting worse as time goes by, and no i do not think it is tied to our friends list on this game, but instead, tied to the number of courses being created, this number only goes up. This might be a memory leak of sorts, but not with friends list, and course list instead.
Just a thought.
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Post by ForePlay on Mar 2, 2015 14:14:38 GMT -5
Playing on the ps4 only, what I can see is an increase of the ball squirt AND 90+- swing power in the last couple of weeks. Not sure if I am "looking" for the ball squirt now, but the swing power is much more common now. Combine that with the sudden older course corruptions on the ps4 (many designers have reported this issue) leaves me no other choice but to think something is wrong in Denmark. The problem is getting HB to "see" and admit there is a problem. They tend to wear blinders when it comes to some issues. That being said, based on their excellent track record and response, I am confident they will resolve these issues eventually. Hopefully sooner than later, I fear people are already playing less and may leave the game. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 2, 2015 16:05:40 GMT -5
Well pub obviously you are not going to be convinced. So your explanation is everything is fine and that showed no problem. Great then you should move along as this obviously bores you. You see 60 feet as deviation ok even when all the factors are identical, and the very next round no deviation being Ok. So if you see it as OK for some to get deviation and others not, why are you bothering to comment. And if HB says it must be true, no matter how much anyone has tested the crap out of it and found it to be not the case. Ok then, why don't you head on your merry way then, because this thread will not be about licking HB's taint, but about getting them to fix a problem, and it's not about convincing you there's a problem because obviously that's impossible. Ok, let's go about this a different way. This thread seemed to invite discussion. If you are trying to troubleshoot/diagnose a problem, that would seem to be a logical way to start. I don't think an opinion that questions if there is a problem in the first place need be automatically dismissed. As that is a troubleshooting issue. Taste posted this earlier in the thread: From a teebox, even if it's uneven, grants you a perfect lie, if anyone is not convinced, try this in the gncd: Make a teebox on a 45 degree angle left to right or right to left and hit strait out to a tight fairway, as long as you are near the white line, that fairway is your to be had, thus the teebox lie has no penalty no matter how bad it's sloped. So given that, which I'm assuming Taste tested, and go back and look at your pictures that prove ball squirt, and share how your pictures prove anything weird is happening. I am not licking HB's taint, as you so eloquently put it. I'm disagreeing that those particular pictures show anything odd. Maybe there are other pictures that do, but those don't. What did those shots do differently from what you expected? Not trying to stir the pot, and not trying to be contrary. I am questioning the original hypothesis. I'm sorry that is so offensive to you and taste. The presumption in the hypothesis is that ball squirt exists. Taking that for granted is extremely bad troubleshooting. I think the primary question should be: can we prove if ball squirt exists or not? And then look at all the factors and see what can be found out. Quite disappointed at the vitriol from both you and taste to be honest, basically saying 'if you don't agree then get the hell out of the thread'. What kind of open discussion does that really invite? |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 2, 2015 16:46:44 GMT -5
And the next question - why would anyone want to level the playing field / make the game easier? I think we have problems in the opposite direction and we need some added complexity to keep the leader-board separated... Back on topic - There seems to be a bug here that affects some more than others - this should be fixed as right now it seems the competition is not fair. There needs to be some kind of lie indicator in a golf game. It's makes ZERO sense to me that I can tell the exact elevation of a pin from 180 yds away but I got nothing when the ball is at my feet. Does that make any sense to anyone? Seriously, in all that is logical, does that make any sense at all? The lie grid will also tell us if there is indeed a ball squirt bug or if it really is an inability to see a ball lie that is right in front of your face. "Leveling" may have been the wrong choice of words. Better players will not become worse because of this.... but it will most likely help some people who are struggling with the ball lie part of the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 16:47:03 GMT -5
Well pub obviously you are not going to be convinced. So your explanation is everything is fine and that showed no problem. Great then you should move along as this obviously bores you. You see 60 feet as deviation ok even when all the factors are identical, and the very next round no deviation being Ok. So if you see it as OK for some to get deviation and others not, why are you bothering to comment. And if HB says it must be true, no matter how much anyone has tested the crap out of it and found it to be not the case. Ok then, why don't you head on your merry way then, because this thread will not be about licking HB's taint, but about getting them to fix a problem, and it's not about convincing you there's a problem because obviously that's impossible. Ok, let's go about this a different way. This thread seemed to invite discussion. If you are trying to troubleshoot/diagnose a problem, that would seem to be a logical way to start. I don't think an opinion that questions if there is a problem in the first place need be automatically dismissed. As that is a troubleshooting issue. Taste posted this earlier in the thread: From a teebox, even if it's uneven, grants you a perfect lie, if anyone is not convinced, try this in the gncd: Make a teebox on a 45 degree angle left to right or right to left and hit strait out to a tight fairway, as long as you are near the white line, that fairway is your to be had, thus the teebox lie has no penalty no matter how bad it's sloped. So given that, which I'm assuming Taste tested, and go back and look at your pictures that prove ball squirt, and share how your pictures prove anything weird is happening. I am not licking HB's taint, as you so eloquently put it. I'm disagreeing that those particular pictures show anything odd. Maybe there are other pictures that do, but those don't. What did those shots do differently from what you expected? Not trying to stir the pot, and not trying to be contrary. I am questioning the original hypothesis. I'm sorry that is so offensive to you and taste. The presumption in the hypothesis is that ball squirt exists. Taking that for granted is extremely bad troubleshooting. I think the primary question should be: can we prove if ball squirt exists or not? And then look at all the factors and see what can be found out. Quite disappointed at the vitriol from both you and taste to be honest, basically saying 'if you don't agree then get the hell out of the thread'. What kind of open discussion does that really invite? are you denying the word of many of the members here? that is more troublesome than anything I have posted here directed at your opinion. if you can't see in steve's screenshots the problem, have another hard look. he is on a teebox, missing to the left each time (missing the white line that is), and the ball comes off in different directions each time in roughly the same winds/direction. are you implying that this is not real? is there not enough evidence to show otherwise? we have debunked the flat tee box vs crooked tee box as the cause we have debunked the backswing as the cause we have debunked the wind as the cause if this is not secret coding or a bug, what exactly are you saying is the cause? because its not in our heads |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 16:48:51 GMT -5
The lie grid will also tell us if there is indeed a ball squirt bug or if it really is an inability to see a ball lie that is right in front of your face. "Leveling" may have been the wrong choice of words. Better players will not become worse because of this.... but it will most likely help some people who are struggling with the ball lie part of the game. false, the lie of the ball has nothing to do with ball squirt, as proven from hitting from tee boxes, where there is no lie penalty, regardless of how bad the tee box is sloped. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 2, 2015 17:10:37 GMT -5
... if you can't see in steve's screenshots the problem, have another hard look. he is on a teebox, missing to the left each time (missing the white line that is), and the ball comes off in different directions each time in roughly the same winds/direction. ... Let's use picture one as the baseline. I agree, he misses left (of the white line), there is a 6mph wind that does push a bit to the right (7 to 1 on the wind direction 'clock'). His ball flight in the picture splits exactly between the wind direction meter and the mph meter. That's our baseline. Picture two, for all intents and purposes the exact same swing path. 3mph wind straight tailwind. the ball flight is a bit further left than picture 1, going in to the wind direction meter. This makes perfect sense to me... there is less wind, but more importantly, there is no left to right push in the wind. It makes sense that this ball flight is further left than picture 1. Picture 3, wind is back to 6mph, it's not quite straight up and down, there is a hair of left to right. In truth, I would expect this ball flight to be between pictures 1 and 2. It is further right than I would expect, given the other two pictures. But where I would go first with that is the backswing. I just don't think those pictures prove ball squirt. I will concede that comparing the three, the third one seems off... but presuming the exact same backswing on each swing is a pretty big presumption. Taste, I'm looking at the same pictures you are, I'm just not seeing what you're seeing. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 2, 2015 17:17:42 GMT -5
The lie grid will also tell us if there is indeed a ball squirt bug or if it really is an inability to see a ball lie that is right in front of your face. "Leveling" may have been the wrong choice of words. Better players will not become worse because of this.... but it will most likely help some people who are struggling with the ball lie part of the game. false, the lie of the ball has nothing to do with ball squirt, as proven from hitting from tee boxes, where there is no lie penalty, regardless of how bad the tee box is sloped. I don't know what causes the ball squirt and I won't pretend to know. I do know that having some kind of lie indication is realistic. I like the grid box because it does not give any numeric values, it's just a visual that is presently missing but should be there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 17:37:35 GMT -5
Pub, this: "I'm disagreeing that those particular pictures show anything odd. Maybe there are other pictures that do, but those don't." Is my problem with you. What could other pictures possibly show.
They already clear as the day is long show clearly the problem, what would the point be of showing the same pictures to you again for you to out of hand dismiss the problem exists. I already know that the exact same pictures can be produced on a flat lie, on a flat tee lie, on a sloped fairway lie. Those pictures clearly show the ball only once went off on the appropriate line, 2 it does not.
Why don't you give me what you need, because me giving you what I think is enough for anyone to see, is so clearly not enough.
So yeah when I give clear undisputed pictures showing the problem and get dismissed, no reason given, just out right dismissed, "I'm disagreeing that those particular pictures show anything odd"
I asked "Explain this", I get in response, "But in all three of those pictures, again, assuming tee boxes are always treated as 'flat', I don't see any problem with any of those three ball launches." No reason given why there is no problem, no reason why they are fine in your eyes. Then further I get "Maybe there are other pictures that do" What other pictures, pictures from other people?
Ok I stand by my eloquent comment even harder. I don't know what you want or need, maybe you can now explain to me, 1. why those pictures show everything is fine, 2. what the pictures would need to show. 3. If the problem is that they are from me, then who would need to show the same thing.
Nearest I can figure with you, is you are fine with random ball direction off the club. Great, we all are fine with that as well, what we are not fine with, is random direction coming off the club randomly for random people.
TasteGW, in case you get this far in my response, WGT had the same friend list memory leak a while back. It makes some sense if the game is constantly scanning activities to make useless on screen reports and you were hitting during one of those sessions. I only have 42 on my list, Doyley has a few hundred, don't see him complaining. But it is a memory leak or packet drop for sure. I already determined that with offline play being so perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 17:41:19 GMT -5
Pub: "but presuming the exact same backswing on each swing is a pretty big presumption." Its not a big presumption. Don't assume because you cant, I cant. Don't think I'm going to create a hole like that and just willy nilly take swings and post the pictures, thats an insult. Those swings are identical to the pixel miss both back and forward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 17:44:28 GMT -5
false, the lie of the ball has nothing to do with ball squirt, as proven from hitting from tee boxes, where there is no lie penalty, regardless of how bad the tee box is sloped. I don't know what causes the ball squirt and I won't pretend to know. I do know that having some kind of lie indication is realistic. I like the grid box because it does not give any numeric values, it's just a visual that is presently missing but should be there. Agree it needs to be there when it needs to be there, the second they truly implement uneven lies with other than just random BS there should be an indicator telling us we are on a slope and then we would be able to appropriately adjust our aim to counter the lie. |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 2, 2015 17:48:03 GMT -5
Steve, have a look at my response (above your post) to Taste about the pictures, going through each picture.
That might give you a better idea of what I'm seeing and give you a sense of where I'm coming from.
Yes, picture 3 seems to be an outlier to pictures 1 and 2.
But I don't know if that's definitive proof, as there could be other variables at play... backswing, wind shifting, etc.
You guys can't even seem to decide amongst yourselves if the tee box makes a difference or not.
As for what I think would prove it?
A Hori level perfectly straight swing off a tee box with no wind that shows flight deviation from straight.
Or with a side wind that has a ball flight deviating in the opposite direction to the wind.
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