csfromks
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 9:46:02 GMT -5
They do. I use right thumb on bottom of right stick. Pull all the way back and then go forward. When I struggle, I tend to use too much thumb resulting in a fast downswing, or slow sometimes when trying to fight it. In fact, when I start my pull, I then look up at screen to see my player. I believe this allows me to attempt to have best tempo and I know i get to the top. Just to be clear, as reading what you said doesn’t quite answer it in my mind - Q - when you make the downswing, do you push the stick forward so that it hits the front of the controller, and more tellingly, do you get a white line that goes from 6 to 12 on the shot feedback dial, touching the extremity of the dial at 6 o’clock and 12 o’clock? I appreciate you wanting clarity. Yes, I pull all the way back, the stick hits the bottom, I push forward, the stick hits the top. Sometimes I tend to push too hard, resulting in a fast downswing. I'll find a way to take a video if you want lol. At the end of the day, I don't know what to do. The answer of - sorrynotsorry get a new controller, just doesn't sit very well I guess. I JUST DID 2 MONTHS AGO! I'm certainly not going to run out and drop $60 just to pass a test that I have no idea if it will even pass. And now, every round where I score well, i'm going to wonder if I get pulled. I guess if I am in the middle of a -15 round, I should botch a few holes to avoid? I mean cmon now
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 9:46:16 GMT -5
Your score has nothing to do with being pulled - just your swing lines - and whether they are humanly possible to achieve - you could pass with -50 and fail with -10. You should be having this conversation with the admins in the Fair Play forum though - cos since they are the only ones who can see your API graphs, we can't really help more than tell you what we already have done. What EXACT reason have they given in the FP forum (not the generic fail email that you got)? It will likely either be 'x swings showing no deviation from perfect' or 'too many swings in a specific section of the graph' And yes - if you have failed once, the chances are you will do the same again with that controller, and so if you want to play the tours without being DQ-ed regularly, than yes, you will need to purchase a new controller. If you have only had this one for 2 months - do you still have the old one? Or can you borrow one from a mate? Maybe try one of them out playing one of the other TGCT societies (eg play PGA) and get the admins to check your API graph with that controller - it will probably be a very different graph compared with the controller that failed. Or change swing... might be the controller is fine, the method is the issue. Anyhow, FP forum is the correct place to go.
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csfromks
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Posts: 95
TGCT Name: csfromks
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 9:49:32 GMT -5
Your score has nothing to do with being pulled - just your swing lines - and whether they are humanly possible to achieve - you could pass with -50 and fail with -10. You should be having this conversation with the admins in the Fair Play forum though - cos since they are the only ones who can see your API graphs, we can't really help more than tell you what we already have done. What EXACT reason have they given in the FP forum (not the generic fail email that you got)? It will likely either be 'x swings showing no deviation from perfect' or 'too many swings in a specific section of the graph' And yes - if you have failed once, the chances are you will do the same again with that controller, and so if you want to play the tours without being DQ-ed regularly, than yes, you will need to purchase a new controller. If you have only had this one for 2 months - do you still have the old one? Or can you borrow one from a mate? Maybe try one of them out playing one of the other TGCT societies (eg play PGA) and get the admins to check your API graph with that controller - it will probably be a very different graph compared with the controller that failed. I have been in contact with the admins, just frustrated with the answer about the controller. I just made a post that will be final one on the subject. You want to know why I had to even buy a new controller? My damn dog chewed the sticks off of my previous 2 haha! Screwed them all up and i'm down to one.
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csfromks
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Posts: 95
TGCT Name: csfromks
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 9:52:55 GMT -5
I also understand what the data is catching. I believe mine were "too perfect" I guess. Frustrating. I go buy a new controller, this will happen again.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 10:00:13 GMT -5
Just to be clear, as reading what you said doesn’t quite answer it in my mind - Q - when you make the downswing, do you push the stick forward so that it hits the front of the controller, and more tellingly, do you get a white line that goes from 6 to 12 on the shot feedback dial, touching the extremity of the dial at 6 o’clock and 12 o’clock? I appreciate you wanting clarity. Yes, I pull all the way back, the stick hits the bottom, I push forward, the stick hits the top. Sometimes I tend to push too hard, resulting in a fast downswing. I'll find a way to take a video if you want lol. At the end of the day, I don't know what to do. The answer of - sorrynotsorry get a new controller, just doesn't sit very well I guess. I JUST DID 2 MONTHS AGO! I'm certainly not going to run out and drop $60 just to pass a test that I have no idea if it will even pass. And now, every round where I score well, i'm going to wonder if I get pulled. I guess if I am in the middle of a -15 round, I should botch a few holes to avoid? I mean cmon now Thanks for answering. As Rob said, score is nothing to do with it. It’s all about the accuracy values. Full swings are EXTREMELY rare at getting DQ’d unless there’s a controller issue. Usually a dead spot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 18:18:40 GMT -5
Imop once is a warning. Twice is a suspension. 3rd time? Cya.
It's not like you guys need members. I'm also guessing guys who cheat do not post that often nor contribute anything.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 19:09:40 GMT -5
Another thing since I believe in working smart who needs this bs. Why make more work for yourselves. Cut the cord.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 24, 2019 3:00:58 GMT -5
To Doyley SmilingGoats Tim cc Matt10 oswinner May I respectfully request that there is a modification to the Fair Play count, as per the following, to ensure the integrity of the competition on TST? For that to be a "safe" zone, as such, where the API pulls mean nothing other than "try your arm and come back next week" can't be good for the competition, in my opinion, obviously. - If pulled in TST, in the same week as PGA, then the running count is only increased by 1 mark - Unwillingly playing with a faulty controller shouldn't best part DQ you from all majors etc...
- If pulled in a week where you pass on PGA, but fail on TST, count is increased by 1.
For further consideration, though I know that this would likely be a pain to code / enforce: - If you fail in one format, you pick up a mark, but also have your scores removed in any parallel events you played in that week, as the input device / method were clearly giving an unfair advantage, outside of the intent of design.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 7:28:50 GMT -5
To Doyley SmilingGoats Tim cc Matt10 oswinner May I respectfully request that there is a modification to the Fair Play count, as per the following, to ensure the integrity of the competition on TST? For that to be a "safe" zone, as such, where the API pulls mean nothing other than "try your arm and come back next week" can't be good for the competition, in my opinion, obviously. - If pulled in TST, in the same week as PGA, then the running count is only increased by 1 mark - Unwillingly playing with a faulty controller shouldn't best part DQ you from all majors etc...
- If pulled in a week where you pass on PGA, but fail on TST, count is increased by 1.
For further consideration, though I know that this would likely be a pain to code / enforce: - If you fail in one format, you pick up a mark, but also have your scores removed in any parallel events you played in that week, as the input device / method were clearly giving an unfair advantage, outside of the intent of design.
TST definitely needs looking at. Hopefully something will be sorted soon.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Sept 24, 2019 7:49:32 GMT -5
We excluded TST from the FP count for a couple of reasons:
1) It would be unfair to someone who unknowingly used a faulty or incorrect device to get two marks the first week they get pulled. Most FP pulls are people who have never failed before and never fail again. The intent of the penalty is to go after repeat offenders. 2) TST is a fully separate tour and we don't presume to establish rules on their behalf.
That said, if the TST staff want to implement a rule, and we can reasonably enforce it, we are open.
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 24, 2019 13:38:21 GMT -5
We excluded TST from the FP count for a couple of reasons: 1) It would be unfair to someone who unknowingly used a faulty or incorrect device to get two marks the first week they get pulled. Most FP pulls are people who have never failed before and never fail again. The intent of the penalty is to go after repeat offenders. 2) TST is a fully separate tour and we don't presume to establish rules on their behalf. That said, if the TST staff want to implement a rule, and we can reasonably enforce it, we are open. Ban smiffy 4eva cus he beat me again loooooooool
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:50:36 GMT -5
Some people will always try and find a advantage in life. No matter what the consequences. All my years playing golf and video game golf people's real personality comes out very quickly. It's almost like golf is a personality test/pysch analysis . I know in real golf right away what kind of person you are after the first hole. In video game golf it's not much different. Golf seems to bring the worst out people but it certainly can bring out the best. I tell my sons that golf is a true test not of your physical ability but your mental strength. That is why I love the game. That is why I love playing no assits. It's not about how well I hit the ball it's about the decisions I make.
Idk know why I just wrote that but sounded good in my head 🤪.
Bravo to the guys that run this. I would have no patience for any of this.
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Post by CuseHokie on Sept 24, 2019 15:16:50 GMT -5
Some people will always try and find a advantage in life. No matter what the consequences. All my years playing golf and video game golf people's real personality comes out very quickly. It's almost like golf is a personality test/pysch analysis . I know in real golf right away what kind of person you are after the first hole. In video game golf it's not much different. Golf seems to bring the worst out people but it certainly can bring out the best. I tell my sons that golf is a true test not of your physical ability but your mental strength. That is why I love the game. That is why I love playing no assits. It's not about how well I hit the ball it's about the decisions I make. Idk know why I just wrote that but sounded good in my head 🤪. Bravo to the guys that run this. I would have no patience for any of this. What is your speaking fee? Could use you on the PGA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 15:37:10 GMT -5
Lol...a bottle of Jack is enough. But make sure I don't get it till after 😁
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Post by Ray on Sept 25, 2019 1:44:57 GMT -5
Some people will always try and find a advantage in life. No matter what the consequences. All my years playing golf and video game golf people's real personality comes out very quickly. It's almost like golf is a personality test/pysch analysis . I know in real golf right away what kind of person you are after the first hole. In video game golf it's not much different. Golf seems to bring the worst out people but it certainly can bring out the best. I tell my sons that golf is a true test not of your physical ability but your mental strength. That is why I love the game. That is why I love playing no assits. It's not about how well I hit the ball it's about the decisions I make. Idk know why I just wrote that but sounded good in my head 🤪. Bravo to the guys that run this. I would have no patience for any of this. After 1 hole you’d know I’m better than you at golf 😂 I’ll organise a tee time at my local course, let me know when you can make it 😂🇦🇺👍
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