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Post by coggin66 on Sept 22, 2019 19:02:24 GMT -5
The penalty should be they are forced to play Masters clubs on XBox! ;-)
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 22, 2019 20:14:58 GMT -5
Does TST get checked for fair play? I just assumed it did. They do, yes.
Edit 1: This was an emphasis of mine in season 4 (season 3 here for TST) moving forward.
Edit 2: It was implemented for season 5 of TGCTours (season 4 of TST)... last year. Continues forward I assume into the current season.
I'm curious to how many people get pulled on average from TST. My semi-logical brain would say that it wouldn't be anywhere near the PGA because:
1. Not as many play the TST rounds 2. Those that feel they need the advantages of a straight swing, probably don't have the patience to play TST where a straight swing means far less than on the PGA.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 1:06:47 GMT -5
Does TST get checked for fair play? I just assumed it did. If certainly does. There were 2 DQ’s this week. |
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 1:08:56 GMT -5
They do, yes.
Edit 1: This was an emphasis of mine in season 4 (season 3 here for TST) moving forward.
Edit 2: It was implemented for season 5 of TGCTours (season 4 of TST)... last year. Continues forward I assume into the current season.
I'm curious to how many people get pulled on average from TST. My semi-logical brain would say that it wouldn't be anywhere near the PGA because:
1. Not as many play the TST rounds 2. Those that feel they need the advantages of a straight swing, probably don't have the patience to play TST where a straight swing means far less than on the PGA.
This week, 1 in PGA and 2 in TST... not sure how it’ll play out moving forward. I have to agree though, based on previous, I’d think that PGA would have the most on average. |
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Sept 23, 2019 4:14:08 GMT -5
I'm curious to how many people get pulled on average from TST. My semi-logical brain would say that it wouldn't be anywhere near the PGA because:
1. Not as many play the TST rounds 2. Those that feel they need the advantages of a straight swing, probably don't have the patience to play TST where a straight swing means far less than on the PGA.
This week, 1 in PGA and 2 in TST... not sure how it’ll play out moving forward. I have to agree though, based on previous, I’d think that PGA would have the most on average. Wonder who that could have been hhmm  |
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csfromks
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 8:47:54 GMT -5
So, now that I have no earthly idea on how to change from getting pulled. Can someone please explain to me how I avoid this? I use a standard PS controller and do not flick but i'm being told that I need to try a different controller. I'm sorry, I am not running out to buy a brand new one to pass this test. My current controller is barely 2 months old so I don't feel like that would solve anything anyways. Do I have to now worry about every round being pulled if I happen to go low? Very frustrated because I like the game and love this set up and would not cheat this at all. If you're busting a lowly CC-A player, then I do not believe those fools at the top with PS4 controllers are legit.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 8:53:55 GMT -5
So, now that I have no earthly idea on how to change from getting pulled. Can someone please explain to me how I avoid this? I use a standard PS controller and do not flick but i'm being told that I need to try a different controller. I'm sorry, I am not running out to buy a brand new one to pass this test. My current controller is barely 2 months old so I don't feel like that would solve anything anyways. Do I have to now worry about every round being pulled if I happen to go low? Very frustrated because I like the game and love this set up and would not cheat this at all. If you're busting a lowly CC-A player, then I do not believe those fools at the top with PS4 controllers are legit. Do your swing lines reach the top of the feedback circle? |
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 8:55:00 GMT -5
I'm curious to how many people get pulled on average from TST. My semi-logical brain would say that it wouldn't be anywhere near the PGA because:
1. Not as many play the TST rounds 2. Those that feel they need the advantages of a straight swing, probably don't have the patience to play TST where a straight swing means far less than on the PGA.
This week, 1 in PGA and 2 in TST... not sure how it’ll play out moving forward. I have to agree though, based on previous, I’d think that PGA would have the most on average. Correction - 1 in PGA, 5 in TST. As you were. |
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csfromks
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: csfromks
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 8:56:51 GMT -5
So, now that I have no earthly idea on how to change from getting pulled. Can someone please explain to me how I avoid this? I use a standard PS controller and do not flick but i'm being told that I need to try a different controller. I'm sorry, I am not running out to buy a brand new one to pass this test. My current controller is barely 2 months old so I don't feel like that would solve anything anyways. Do I have to now worry about every round being pulled if I happen to go low? Very frustrated because I like the game and love this set up and would not cheat this at all. If you're busting a lowly CC-A player, then I do not believe those fools at the top with PS4 controllers are legit. Do your swing lines reach the top of the feedback circle? They do. I use right thumb on bottom of right stick. Pull all the way back and then go forward. When I struggle, I tend to use too much thumb resulting in a fast downswing, or slow sometimes when trying to fight it. In fact, when I start my pull, I then look up at screen to see my player. I believe this allows me to attempt to have best tempo and I know i get to the top. |
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Post by rob4590 on Sept 23, 2019 9:08:36 GMT -5
csfromksIf not flicking then: a) Define what you call a 'standard PS controller' fully? Is it a authentic DS4, made by Sony? or is it a 3rd party 'this is (allegedly) identical to a DS4' made by various other companies (looks identical - but actually isn't)? if it is the latter - then that will be why you are being pulled, as nearly always, non authentic (but almost identical) controllers will not pass API - so you will need an authentic DS4 to consistently pass API b) If it is a legit DS4 - then if you are failing, then it likely means there is a dead spot, where a large range of inputs are resulting in the same output (thus showing as identical) - it doesn't have to be a perfectly straight output - just one that is repeating (exactly) far too often to be possible for a human As a numerical example - imagine the blue band as all numbers between -10 and +10 (with 0 being perfectly straight) - each of those numbers shows in the API as different. Now if your controllers registers any input from you between 0 and 8 all as a 4 (a dead spot between 0 and 8), then you will get lots of swings showing identical output of 4 (somewhere to the right of perfect but in the blue) - and thus will be pulled. Nothing that you can do to change that (apart from miss a huge area entirely!) - and you will keep getting pulled.
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csfromks
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 9:09:24 GMT -5
These are my first 2 weeks to start S6:
Week 1: -43 (-13, -13, -9, -8) - no email about Fair Play
Week 2: -37 (-8, -4, -15, -10) - email about Fair Play
All 8 rounds played the exact same way. I just find it curious that I get popped after the rds that I had to finish wk 2. My previous best round was -13 until that -15. I was ecstatic, thinking I'm getting better and might be able to get promoted. Now this cloud hangs over every week I play.
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csfromks
Weekend Golfer
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TGCT Name: csfromks
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 9:10:51 GMT -5
csfromks If not flicking then: a) Define what you call a 'standard PS controller' fully? Is it a authentic DS4, made by Sony? or is it a 3rd party 'this is (allegedly) identical to a DS4' made by various other companies (looks identical - but actually isn't)? if it is the latter - then that will be why you are being pulled, as nearly always, non authentic (but almost identical) controllers will not pass API - so you will need an authentic DS4 to consistently pass API b) If it is a legit DS4 - then if you are failing, then it likely means there is a dead spot, where a large range of inputs are resulting in the same output (thus showing as identical) - it doesn't have to be a perfectly straight output - just one that is repeating (exactly) far too often to be possible for a human As a numerical example - imagine the blue band as all numbers between -10 and +10 (with 0 being perfectly straight) - each of those numbers shows in the API as different. Now if your controllers registers any input from you between 0 and 8 all as a 4 (a dead spot between 0 and 8), then you will get lots of swings showing identical output of 4 (somewhere to the right of perfect but in the blue) - and thus will be pulled. Nothing that you can do to change that (apart from miss a huge area entirely!) - and you will keep getting pulled. Standard controller - I bought a Sony PlayStation controller from Target about 2 months ago. Throughout my years of PS service, I have bought about every color, this time I bought one of the see through clear ones. |
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csfromks
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TGCT Name: csfromks
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Post by csfromks on Sept 23, 2019 9:18:52 GMT -5
I do just want everyone to know, I am not trying to whine and complain just to get my score back. I'm not even sure a -37 finished high enough to get a promo mark last week in CC-A. I like this game and play it right. I'm just simply at a loss as to how I can fix it, without going and buying a new controller, which is not going to happen. I literally just bought this one 2 months ago. I find that to be somewhat of an unacceptable answer, honestly.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 23, 2019 9:36:28 GMT -5
Do your swing lines reach the top of the feedback circle? They do. I use right thumb on bottom of right stick. Pull all the way back and then go forward. When I struggle, I tend to use too much thumb resulting in a fast downswing, or slow sometimes when trying to fight it. In fact, when I start my pull, I then look up at screen to see my player. I believe this allows me to attempt to have best tempo and I know i get to the top. Just to be clear, as reading what you said doesn’t quite answer it in my mind - Q - when you make the downswing, do you push the stick forward so that it hits the front of the controller, and more tellingly, do you get a white line that goes from 6 to 12 on the shot feedback dial, touching the extremity of the dial at 6 o’clock and 12 o’clock? |
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Post by rob4590 on Sept 23, 2019 9:42:01 GMT -5
Your score has nothing to do with being pulled - just your swing lines - and whether they are humanly possible to achieve - you could pass with -50 and fail with -10.
You should be having this conversation with the admins in the Fair Play forum though - cos since they are the only ones who can see your API graphs, we can't really help more than tell you what we already have done.
What EXACT reason have they given in the FP forum (not the generic fail email that you got)?
It will likely either be 'x swings showing no deviation from perfect' or 'too many swings in a specific section of the graph'
And yes - if you have failed once, the chances are you will do the same again with that controller, and so if you want to play the tours without being DQ-ed regularly, than yes, you will need to purchase a new controller.
If you have only had this one for 2 months - do you still have the old one? Or can you borrow one from a mate? Maybe try one of them out playing one of the other TGCT societies (eg play PGA) and get the admins to check your API graph with that controller - it will probably be a very different graph compared with the controller that failed.
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