Daryl_71
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Post by Daryl_71 on Sept 23, 2019 21:16:36 GMT -5
Mentioned it elsewhere, but would gladly pass Pleasure Island's spot on the DAM calendar to Daryl_71 as I already have a couple of other courses on the Season 2 schedule. Lol. The spot goes to winner, and you earned it. I will say though, I do appreciate a good humble brag.  Congrats on a fine win and thanks again to the judges for coordinating such a fun contest. I look forward to playing all of the contest courses again and again. |
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Post by lukesca on Sept 24, 2019 3:25:35 GMT -5
That’s fair, I’m honestly really glad that you like Sam’s course, as we do too. I’m sure each course is supported by many as their personal favorite, just as it is in our regular design contests. That’s the beauty of all of these talented designers around the community, in that everyone brings something fresh to the table. As it relates to our decision, remember it has nothing to do with when you joined the forums, it has to do with when your courses were built (none of the TGCT contests allow WIPs). We felt it was best to stand behind that for consistency. I apologize if that was disappointing, but we would certainly welcome you into future contests. As I said before, we are not the authorities (or the bosses of anything), but we were in charge of the contest and judging. We do the best we can to run credible contests. We have full judging notes for each course and we can justify our rankings. It doesn’t mean we’re ‘right’, but it does mean we took this very seriously and gave all ten courses a fair shake. As with any design contest, different judges might have different rankings, and that’s totally understandable. Thanks for the dialogue and for following the contest. the 9 september my job was already done and released. next time putt a closing date for the registration, and that's it... and i hope u can play my course
SUN HILL Mini Golf Park
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Sept 24, 2019 4:16:39 GMT -5
the 9 september my job was already done and released. next time putt a closing date for the registration, and that's it... and i hope u can play my course
SUN HILL Mini Golf Park
before the next contest.... As it was stated earlier there was no Works In Progress allowed and as you weren't on the forums when the registration opened there was no proof that you started after July 15th. I would suggest keeping your eye out for the registration for the next contest, but don't expect one soon as the guys who volunteer need a break from it. In the meantime you can hone your mini golf building skills or set up a contest of your own. For the record I would've had Sam's course in the top 5 as well, these contests are all about opinions and they will vary from person to person. It didn't matter to me whether my course finished 6th or 10th as I seen as a contest that was set up for fun, as it was intended to be. |
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Post by lukesca on Sept 24, 2019 4:56:56 GMT -5
the 9 september my job was already done and released. next time putt a closing date for the registration, and that's it... and i hope u can play my course
SUN HILL Mini Golf Park
before the next contest.... As it was stated earlier there was no Works In Progress allowed and as you weren't on the forums when the registration opened there was no proof that you started after July 15th. I would suggest keeping your eye out for the registration for the next contest, but don't expect one soon as the guys who volunteer need a break from it. In the meantime you can hone your mini golf building skills or set up a contest of your own. For the record I would've had Sam's course in the top 5 as well, these contests are all about opinions and they will vary from person to person. It didn't matter to me whether my course finished 6th or 10th as I seen as a contest that was set up for fun, as it was intended to be. this is completely no sense... everybobdy here could been starting a job before the registration, and just join... where are the filelogs of yours course?! i been in colombia 2 months till august and i assure u my course tooks me ain't three weeks, 4 weeks ago i pubblished BLEEDING LAKES GC multiple times for par setting and various errors.... (being unemployed, and bored at the moment) i'm so lazy that after a bit i wanna release it for see the reactions of my two friends, and i will keep like this. |
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 24, 2019 5:21:40 GMT -5
Got to say I thought the winner was the correct result,but Find it very tough on Sam's course it was my 2nd favourite only just behind the winner,but its like everything in the The golf club brand all got our favourite styles and in the end you can argue many ways,but to see sam's in the bottom 5,very harsh i feel and i love my mini golf.Overall like i said in a previous post the standard overall was fantastic just feel Sam's course was very unlucky to be placed were it was,I thought it was fantastic but saying that i enjoyed something on them all.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Sept 24, 2019 5:45:23 GMT -5
I have no file log of when I started my course but if you check back to the start of this thread I entered on the 19th July and had my first hole done on the 22nd. I know this isn't solid proof but after being a member of the forum for over 1.5 years I think I've earned the trust of some of the members here.
Although I did build this on the same plot as Bayerischer Golfplatz which was published on the 17th July.
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Post by lukesca on Sept 24, 2019 6:01:13 GMT -5
I have no file log of when I started my course but if you check back to the start of this thread I entered on the 19th July and had my first hole done on the 22nd. I know this isn't solid proof but after being a member of the forum for over 1.5 years I think I've earned the trust of some of the members here. Although I did build this on the same plot as Bayerischer Golfplatz which was published on the 17th July. i was just pointing in the TRUST... so that's it, i'm the cheater of the tgctours..... comes to this contest for blast the inner armony presenting something outrageous and outlaw... cmon guys, i should know already how to be a loser, but you all... should know how to make differences between the good, the bad and the ugly....as sergio leone teachs |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 6:04:50 GMT -5
Actually, it does make sense Lukesca, and there are some very good reasons to have a rule that disallows WIPs. That rule has been in our TGCT contests for a long time, and it won’t change. Also, we have a design community built on trust and integrity in these contests, but if we needed to, we have the ability to check when a project was started. Hopefully nobody wants to embarrass themselves publicly by challenging that.
Nobody called you a cheater... I don’t know where you’re getting that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 6:21:52 GMT -5
Find it very tough on Sam's course it was my 2nd favourite only just behind the winner... ...but to see sam's in the bottom 5, very harsh i feel and i love my mini golf. Thanks for weighing in Yeltz, we are glad you like mini golf as much as we do, and again, we’re glad people enjoyed Sam’s course, it was a lot of fun. I think people are approaching this the wrong way though. It’s not about relegating a course to the “bottom 5,” because all ten courses were good. But this is a design contest, and we looked at many different categories, so in our opinion, there were elements the other courses did slightly better. As I said before, we have thorough judging notes on each course, which I’m not going to post publicly, but if I were to walk you through all of our thoughts on Sam’s course, perhaps you would appreciate the detail we put into this, even if you don’t agree. The most important takeaway from this is that we liked all ten courses, so no matter which one is your personal favorite, by all means give that designer plays. They all put in a great effort here, which we really appreciate. |
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Post by gacraig on Sept 24, 2019 6:51:28 GMT -5
Thanks Eric and gdog for taking the time to do this contest. I know you guys put a lot of effort into it. I didn’t play all the courses, but I’m sure you both considered a lot of elements in deciding a winner. I wouldn’t want to be the one deciding a winner. I hope the negativity doesn’t discourage you from doing it again.
As far as works in progress. Eric ask me to design a mini golf course for a major in the DAM society and I started WMG Fore. Three days later the contest was announced. I ask Eric if I could use WMG Fore and he said WIP were not allowed. Keeping things consistent in any contest is important no matter how bad it hurts some peoples feelings.
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mayday_golf83
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Sept 24, 2019 6:53:32 GMT -5
I would concur with that. I enjoyed Sam's course, thought he brought some real creative ideas to the table and had Sam slotted around 4th or 5th in my mind. But I don't think the statement here is, "Eric and Geoff thought the course sucked, so it missed top 5." I think it's more a statement of the quality and variety of the top courses. I think you could easily make the case that 7 or 8 courses deserved to be in the top five, but obviously that math doesn't work so someone has to miss the cut. Unfortunately for Sam his number came up. I can certainly empathize with having a top 5-caliber course that didn't make the top 5 (See: Pines, Necedah).
As for Lukesca's point regarding contest entry, in this case I could see his point. This was kind of an impromptu contest that just kind of sprang up in mid-summer, so it's not like anyone had been plotting for months how to make a contest-winning putt-putt course. In this case, the WIP rule probably didn't make as much sense as in other contests. That's the micro view on the issue.
But, taking the macro view, I do appreciate the consistency of having pre-declared entries and not allowing WIPs. Especially now that we have a set rotation of design contests, which usually have more demand than we have spots available, there's a reason to have these rules in place. No WIPs protects the field and ensures everyone had an equal amount of time to finish the course -- important because, as I've said plenty of times before -- time management is a very underrated facet of these design contests. Also, making sure everyone signs up, up front allows the organizers and judges plan for the amount of workload they will have when the publish window closes. That's maybe not as big of an issue in a 10-man putt-putt, but when you're looking at something like the World Cup with a cap at 32 entries, the certainty of knowing how many people are participating makes planning much easier on the back end.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Sept 24, 2019 6:58:22 GMT -5
We have full judging notes for each course and we can justify our rankings. It doesn’t mean we’re ‘right’, but it does mean we took this very seriously and gave all ten courses a fair shake. As with any design contest, different judges might have different rankings, and that’s totally understandable. Victor - are you and Gdog going to share the judging notes with the designers? I would certainly find it helpful if I do another Mini. |
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Post by lukesca on Sept 24, 2019 7:06:53 GMT -5
Actually, it does make sense Lukesca, and there are some very good reasons to have a rule that disallows WIPs. That rule has been in our TGCT contests for a long time, and it won’t change. Also, we have a design community built on trust and integrity in these contests, but if we needed to, we have the ability to check when a project was started. Hopefully nobody wants to embarrass themselves publicly by challenging that. Nobody called you a cheater... I don’t know where you’re getting that. so, i got to repeat myself, next competiton form should be complete of a closing date for registration. is not me the one in fault. . cheater: if you can trust the honest works of the others, i would like to know why i should stay with a minigolf course for months in the editor and sign up to this community later as possible for be unaccepted by the contest rulers and make problems... you know, in my case sometimes, is better seem to be stupid without speaking than open the mouth and confirm the prejudices... as i'm doing now justifing the things and explaining you the actual by factual! again, next time put a closing date for the registration....  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 7:41:34 GMT -5
No, you are missing the whole point, this is the last I will say on this, because we are going around in circles. Had you come to us after you registered for TGCTours and said you would like to enter the contest and start a project, we would've said "sure, sounds great!" But what happened was you came to TGCTours and asked if you could enter the contest with one of the two courses you ALREADY MADE. If you can't see the difference, I can't help you any further. I really appreciate gacraig for validating what I said. He is my favorite mini golf creator in this game, I don't think there's any secret about that at this point, but having him tell you publicly now what I told him in private, proves that I am a value consistent person with integrity. If I was going to show favoritism, it certainly would've been with him, so if you don't believe that, I suppose that's your choice Lukesca. I am sorry you're butt-hurt over this now, but I have told you MANY times that we would welcome you in the next contest because I think your mini golf courses are good, but we can't let anybody into contests with WIPs after the fact, that's just the TGCTours rule. mayday_golf83 gave a valid explanation as to why we need to do it that way. It is designed to be FAIR to the contestants, not to be UNFAIR to the people who simply don't like the rule. I really do hope you consider entering contests in the future if you enjoy designing (but now I'm definitely nervous to give you judging results, haha). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 7:45:05 GMT -5
We have full judging notes for each course and we can justify our rankings. It doesn’t mean we’re ‘right’, but it does mean we took this very seriously and gave all ten courses a fair shake. As with any design contest, different judges might have different rankings, and that’s totally understandable. Victor - are you and Gdog going to share the judging notes with the designers? I would certainly find it helpful if I do another Mini. Hi Mike! Yes, I'd be happy to provide our notes to people that want them. I'll send you the notes for Family Mini Golf today. |
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