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Post by Australian on Jun 3, 2019 5:01:39 GMT -5
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chasw
Amateur Golfer
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Post by chasw on Jun 3, 2019 8:15:00 GMT -5
Great job.Loved the course.I shot even par from the back tees using master clubs.Would have finished under par except for that devilish 683 yard par 5 17th hole
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Post by Australian on Jun 3, 2019 16:22:05 GMT -5
Great job.Loved the course.I shot even par from the back tees using master clubs.Would have finished under par except for that devilish 683 yard par 5 17th hole Thanks for the play man. Glad you enjoyed it. Great scoring. I don't think I have got close to ever breaking par. Yeah 17 has some teeth.
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Post by jwtexan on Jun 4, 2019 0:10:59 GMT -5
Streaming this one now with @spartan4knight and TheDominator273 on twitch. Kicking my butt despite all the trouble and strategy being right in my face. Congrats on cleaning up an older design and adding the (Tour) elements to it. It is super clean and fair, with great lighting for sure. If this ends up on CC-Pro I will fear it haha.
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Post by gregfordyce on Jun 4, 2019 6:59:56 GMT -5
Fantastic course! We'll be featuring this on Thursday's TGC Course Review at 7 pm EST. Really great design here, folks, give it a play!
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Post by Australian on Jun 4, 2019 16:16:06 GMT -5
Fantastic course! We'll be featuring this on Thursday's TGC Course Review at 7 pm EST. Really great design here, folks, give it a play! Thank you so much Greg. Really appreciate it mate.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Jun 20, 2019 22:51:13 GMT -5
This has to be the worst course i have ever played, any kind of wind and 50% of the holes are unplayable. Had this in the Open society with 20mph winds, no one hit near 50% FIR and barely shot under par. The skinniest fairways i have ever seen on an course, with deep bunkers sitting in the middle of them lol. sorry if this is out of line but damn, seeing dudes say "awesome course" to this? whats next, a course with only rough and green. Wouldnt be as bad if some of the holes werent 500 yard par 4s with no chance to hit the fairway, and 2 shots just to get to the green after that. forcing bogeys on every hole isnt "tough", and to call this a "tour" course? just wow.....
and i hate for my first post to be like this, but after playing this and just knowing i was goin to find it posted here because of how "pro" you made it look, i just had to vent. still cant believe they featured this on something. prob doesnt matter because the bots on the pro tours prob still shoot -40 on it lmao.....
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Post by lessthanbread on Jun 21, 2019 1:33:29 GMT -5
This has to be the worst course i have ever played, any kind of wind and 50% of the holes are unplayable. Had this in the Open society with 20mph winds, no one hit near 50% FIR and barely shot under par. The skinniest fairways i have ever seen on an course, with deep bunkers sitting in the middle of them lol. sorry if this is out of line but damn, seeing dudes say "awesome course" to this? whats next, a course with only rough and green. Wouldnt be as bad if some of the holes werent 500 yard par 4s with no chance to hit the fairway, and 2 shots just to get to the green after that. forcing bogeys on every hole isnt "tough", and to call this a "tour" course? just wow.....
and i hate for my first post to be like this, but after playing this and just knowing i was goin to find it posted here because of how "pro" you made it look, i just had to vent. still cant believe they featured this on something. prob doesnt matter because the bots on the pro tours prob still shoot -40 on it lmao.....
Ok so normally I don’t get involved in these kinds of things over the internet but as a fellow designer, knowing how much time and effort is spent on a course like this to provide a fun and competitive experience for you, I can’t help but say you are dead wrong for posting this. I get you didn’t have the greatest experience playing it. No course is ever going to have 100% approval. I see this is your first post to this forum so hopefully you will take some time to look around and find this is a very supportive community. We give honest but constructive feedback and this is a thread for designers to show off their hard work. If you have that much of a problem with a course, a simple personal message and some clarification from the designer would be a better route to go. My apologies Australian, don’t mean to fight your battle or anything, just needed to get that out..
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 21, 2019 3:55:39 GMT -5
This has to be the worst course i have ever played, any kind of wind and 50% of the holes are unplayable. Had this in the Open society with 20mph winds, no one hit near 50% FIR and barely shot under par. The skinniest fairways i have ever seen on an course, with deep bunkers sitting in the middle of them lol. sorry if this is out of line but damn, seeing dudes say "awesome course" to this? whats next, a course with only rough and green. Wouldnt be as bad if some of the holes werent 500 yard par 4s with no chance to hit the fairway, and 2 shots just to get to the green after that. forcing bogeys on every hole isnt "tough", and to call this a "tour" course? just wow.....
and i hate for my first post to be like this, but after playing this and just knowing i was goin to find it posted here because of how "pro" you made it look, i just had to vent. still cant believe they featured this on something. prob doesnt matter because the bots on the pro tours prob still shoot -40 on it lmao.....
Someone's on tiiiiiiillllltttt! (Yeah, it was out of line...)
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Post by tottenhamordie on Jun 21, 2019 4:07:44 GMT -5
This has to be the worst course i have ever played, any kind of wind and 50% of the holes are unplayable. Had this in the Open society with 20mph winds, no one hit near 50% FIR and barely shot under par. The skinniest fairways i have ever seen on an course, with deep bunkers sitting in the middle of them lol. sorry if this is out of line but damn, seeing dudes say "awesome course" to this? whats next, a course with only rough and green. Wouldnt be as bad if some of the holes werent 500 yard par 4s with no chance to hit the fairway, and 2 shots just to get to the green after that. forcing bogeys on every hole isnt "tough", and to call this a "tour" course? just wow.....
and i hate for my first post to be like this, but after playing this and just knowing i was goin to find it posted here because of how "pro" you made it look, i just had to vent. still cant believe they featured this on something. prob doesnt matter because the bots on the pro tours prob still shoot -40 on it lmao.....
Ok so normally I don’t get involved in these kinds of things over the internet but as a fellow designer, knowing how much time and effort is spent on a course like this to provide a fun and competitive experience for you, I can’t help but say you are dead wrong for posting this. I get you didn’t have the greatest experience playing it. No course is ever going to have 100% approval. I see this is your first post to this forum so hopefully you will take some time to look around and find this is a very supportive community. We give honest but constructive feedback and this is a thread for designers to show off their hard work. If you have that much of a problem with a course, a simple personal message and some clarification from the designer would be a better route to go. My apologies Australian, don’t mean to fight your battle or anything, just needed to get that out.. I understand, I even said sorry if its out of line and acknowledged that it was my first post. But a few things, 1. You said this is a place for constructive criticism, that's exactly what I did. Maybe not the way you, or others, wanted it...but to each their own. 2. It seems like only "omg this is awesome" is what you want to hear on this section of the forum. If only positive responses exist, then everyones course is amazing. 3. I have also spent time designing courses and always tried to include challenges for all levels, not just the 1% who hit a penny sized accurate shot 100% of the time. 4. Hard work on a course doesn't excuse it from criticism, in fact I would argue it invites more because someone spent 100 hours and never realized their course was near unplayable. 5. I am a noob designer and even I know playability is 10000 times more important than fancy lighting and planting. 6. This course has almost over 200 plays and still sits at 0 stars, so it's not just me. I felt bad about how i worded my first comment, but in the moment having just gone through 2 rounds on it, ya I was pissed and tilted. And maybe my emotions took away from my initial points, once again I even said sorry. But you can't just "yes men" everything. And "the worst course" was hyperbolic I admit. And as far as a private message, how does that help anyone else who sees this on the forum? I agree that this community has beeb awesome since I joined it a month or so ago, and that's all the more reason for this opinion to be public and not in a private message. Anyone browsing this forum looking for a course deserves to know both sides of it. Oh and private messages just open up a whole other can of worms, when it becomes "some guy messaged me raging about my course". I'd rather man up and speak my truth publicly, than slink around in DMs. Sorry if any if this offends the community or angers people, wasnt my intention. I enjoy this game, my frustration was out of passion and not anger towards anyone specific. Just hope you can understand that those were just my raw, initial emotions and not a target or anything like that. I would do the same for any other course(hopefully more tactful) that I had played and basically had my gaming experience ruined on. I hope we can all agree that to be better, we need to hear both sides, not just the positive one. I actually plan to play his other course to see if maybe this one was just overly ambitious, or rushed, or whatever. Once again, sorry to make this my first post and I hope we can just move on and take it as it is. Thanks, Tot
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 21, 2019 4:33:13 GMT -5
-it wasn't construcitve. you literally CREATED an account to rant at the designer; it's hilarious...
-there's DEFINITELY very honest, sometimes even brutal, criticism on this forum. check the design contest threads, where some of the best courses in the game still get quite strongly criticised for certain aspects.
-this is a remake of a course that was very well received.
At the end of the day, people ALWAYS react badly to tough courses (the best rated courses are alwasy easy/easiest.) They have a bad round, go on tilt, and can longer see the beauty of the course, and what strategy is needed to score well. Once they start doing badly, they play even faster and the scores get even worse.
If you and your buddies had realised par, or even bogie, was a decent score on a hole, the competetion still could've been fun! Golf is ALWAYS about a competition with yourself first, and hopefully also with evenly matched playing partners. Instead you all went on tilt because you couldn't get birdies.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Jun 21, 2019 4:52:34 GMT -5
-it wasn't construcitve. you literally CREATED an account to rant at the designer; it's hilarious... -there's DEFINITELY very honest, sometimes even brutal, criticism on this forum. check the design contest threads, where some of the best courses in the game still get quite strongly criticised for certain aspects. -this is a remake of a course that was very well received. At the end of the day, people ALWAYS react badly to tough courses (the best rated courses are alwasy easy/easiest.) They have a bad round, go on tilt, and can longer see the beauty of the course, and what strategy is needed to score well. Once they start doing badly, they play even faster and the scores get even worse. If you and your buddies had realised par, or even bogie, was a decent score on a hole, the competetion still could've been fun! Golf is ALWAYS about a competition with yourself first, and hopefully with evenly matched playing partners. Instead you all went on tilt because you couldn't get birdies. Well this isn't the competition section so ya. I have noticed almost every thread is just "this is awesome". And this was well received? 4 people commented and it has 0 stars. Also, I created my account to play tgctours, and to see more of the community. I was just informed about the forum and website less than a week ago. That's why i created my account lol. And i have played plenty of tough courses. Susquehannock major is one if my favs and it kicks my ass almost every time. It has nothing to do with birdies on every hole hahaha. That's such a cop out argument. Oh, and it wasn't "me and my buddies", this was on the official Open Society events. Where I'm not the only one with negative things to say. And i couldn't even get to a point where I "started playing fast because I was mad" since the first 2-3 holes do a good job of taking you out of it already. Especially with wind. I feel like calling this "amazing" and "great" is just ignoring the fact that basic design decisions were just ignored here. Not accounting for all club types(i.e the 500 yard par 4 where you HAVE to hit over the water or it leaves a 300 yard shot to the green), not accounting for wind(i.e more 500ish par 4s with 10 yard wide fairways, deep slow rough, and any layup leaves more 300 yard or so two hits for auto bogey), or accounting for skill level. I feel like the only people having fun in this are either lucky, or robots who hit ropes every single swing. Which is what? Maybe 1-5% of the player base? Again, there's tough, and then there's force you to play nowhere near your potential. I think if rather be tested by clean, hard courses, than to be forced into +6 rounds no matter how good I'm hitting. And define constructive, because i feel as though I told him what I felt was wrong with it. Explained it like 3 times now actaully too so idk. Maybe you just wanted it worded in a way that helps you out? Sorry, it's not always sunshine and rainbows.
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Post by tottenhamordie on Jun 21, 2019 4:58:06 GMT -5
-it wasn't construcitve. you literally CREATED an account to rant at the designer; it's hilarious... -there's DEFINITELY very honest, sometimes even brutal, criticism on this forum. check the design contest threads, where some of the best courses in the game still get quite strongly criticised for certain aspects. -this is a remake of a course that was very well received. At the end of the day, people ALWAYS react badly to tough courses (the best rated courses are alwasy easy/easiest.) They have a bad round, go on tilt, and can longer see the beauty of the course, and what strategy is needed to score well. Once they start doing badly, they play even faster and the scores get even worse. If you and your buddies had realised par, or even bogie, was a decent score on a hole, the competetion still could've been fun! Golf is ALWAYS about a competition with yourself first, and hopefully also with evenly matched playing partners. Instead you all went on tilt because you couldn't get birdies. Also, would love to hear the strategy to do well here. As the creator even says he's no where near hitting par or under, and he created the thing. He if all people should know what strategy is involved to play well here, right? I know every inch of every hole on my course, you know, because i play tested each hole 20+ times. When the strategy to play well is "aim for the dime sized landing area and hope to get a laser beam swing", when we all know how "consistent" the swing mechanics are on this, can you really call it a "strategy to play well"? Also, it shows with the ridiculous amount of speculation and accusation in your response, that you are one of the yes men, and clearly this is all just pointless. I won't be responding anymore in this post. Sorry again to anyone who took this personally.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jun 21, 2019 5:14:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree it's pointless.
Some points-
I thought you meant your own little society, but yeah, as I said, when people do bad, they complain, easy (sometimes great!) Courses are almost always well received. Good/great courses that are really hard often get a lot of hate.
I was talking about the original version of this course, not tour version. So you've not seen how the original was received.
Yeah, on the whole comments are positive in these completed courses threads, because people who liked it comment, and people who didn't keep it to themselves. BUT even in these threads, and especially in design contests, if you read through you WILL find criticism.
You're kind of hijacking this thread now, so I will bow out. Obviously I knew you wouldn't just accept my responses; I stand by what I've said...
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Post by ohheycat on Jun 21, 2019 6:23:36 GMT -5
Gonna have to check this out, anything this polarizing has to have greatness in there somewhere, I'll be back with my thoughts shortly!
I can certainly see why this might be frustrating for some. I played pin 3 and there were quite a few pins where there is no below the hole approach option, and if your downhill putt goes long it feeds off the green. Then youre chipping up a red slope, and it falls back to your feet. We've all been there. If that happens during a round the course is automatically hated haha, just the way it is.
I'm okay with that, but it basically shows that this setup is geared toward the more adept video golfer. I got what I expected here, and I enjoyed it. Not a casual round by any means, but I get the designers intentions and there was a clear way on most holes to limit the damage of these treacherous greens.
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