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Post by Brighttail on May 11, 2019 13:29:03 GMT -5
Preparation for war would be my answer. The trees came right up to the walls before and that area has been cleared, probably for two reasons. First they needed the wood to build all those dragon scorpions, ships and such and second it creates a buffer, much like the was just on the other side of the Great North Wall. In the books it said that the Night's Watch cleared a 100 yard zone between the wall and the forest so they could see anyone that comes towards he wall. For the same reason, Cersei would clear all the trees that would conceal troops approaching her wall and provide zero cover for any invaders foolish enough to try to storm the castle.
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Post by cliffs on May 11, 2019 15:49:13 GMT -5
Makes sense until you look at the pictures and see what is there.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 16:38:31 GMT -5
I'm hoping tyrion wakes up at the start of episode 5 and the previous 4 episodes have all been a drunken dream. Last season was a bit of a piss take but they've really pushed the boat out for this one.
Series 1-5 were brilliant because the source material was from the books which GRRM had spent years figuring out. The later series are all just writers keeping their jobs by pandering to execs and viewing figures, it's turned into a bit of a joke.
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Post by gamesdecent on May 12, 2019 21:24:24 GMT -5
Lmao awful. WOW.
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Post by Brighttail on May 12, 2019 22:56:00 GMT -5
I saw Varys' death from last season. He was destined to die by an act of treason with Tyrion outting him. Varys died by dragon fire, not by the North's tradition of the one who passes the sentence, executes the sentence.
In the end Jamie didn't kill Cersei unless you count him leading her into the depths under Red Keep. So I guess technically the kill goes to Danny.
Euron Greyjoy, why did he even have to come back? One more battle to show that Jamie is still the best of them all by killing the person that replaced him? It would have been better if Jamie actually cared about killing him but he didn't really care. Euron was just one more obstacle in his way.
I was a big disappointed with how the Mountain and the Hound died. The mountain is a walking zombie, fine. The moutain did enough to kill him multiple times over but seriously?
Then of course we see Danny go full Mad Targaryan. That moment on the wall, looking at the keep on the hill, Danny is thinking back at all the close people, Joris, Messisandra, Varys, her brother and a few others all died server her or betraying her. After Jon failed to take her up on her advancements. She knew she had lost all her allies. She trusted nothing and all series long people have been telling her how she has to do things her way. She finally decided she is doing it her way. Burn it all. Hell this war could have been done 2 season 6, but no.
Finally Sandor convinces Arya to live. For another reason maybe? At this point I see three ways of concluding the season: 1. Danny succeeds and either takes out Jon for treason and as competition for the throne...or she may allow him to leave to go serve in the Night's Watch where he can live like the Old Grand Maester who was a Targaryon who didn't want the crown. There he can become a new person and stay out of the world of the war of men. 2. Danny dies by Jon or Arya... but then you have the unsullied and Dothraki. Can Jon win them over by taking over the dragon? Maybe. That would be one interesting if he takes Danny's dragon from her as Drogon recognizes and respects who the rightful king is. I think this would be the way the mass folks would love it and accept it. 3. Danny and Jon die or disappear. The Iron throne is left open. Arys could grab it, Tyroin, Gendry or Sansa? Would we accept any of those?
if it ends like a George R.R. Martin, Danny wins, fulfills her destiny at great cost and rules originally in fear, later in mercy. Unfortunately to get there, so many would have to die.
Good points, Varys talk with Tyrion as he is about to die. Jamie's talk with Tyrion. I cried. Mountain talk with Arya and Jamie talk with Cersei before their death.
Bad points: The razzing of King's landing. Dannys'decision to change it all and go all Mad Targayn.
Who is left?
John, Danny, Tyrion, Davos, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Grey worm, Drogarus, Gendry, and a smattering of Unsullied/doth's
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Post by mrvinegar206 on May 13, 2019 0:53:16 GMT -5
Best episode of the season IMO!
Was it perfect? No. But almost everything was foreshadowed or had a metaphor.
Also, love the brutality of war and gore in this episode. War is rarely organized, especially when you have a Mad Queen running the operation.
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Post by reebdoog on May 13, 2019 9:04:53 GMT -5
My prediction:
Regardless of who else dies or whatever...Dany is left with some of her army (but not all) sitting in her burned out crap town. Jon, Arya...maybe Tyrion all just go back north and tell Dany to enjoy her little pile of ashes. Nothing actually changes other than a bunch of folks died. Game of thrones? Nobody wins. Bang
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Post by cliffs on May 13, 2019 9:34:04 GMT -5
Is the Iron Throne even capable of being found now?
This by far was the best episode and this battle was much better done than the NK's was.
Talk about tying up loose ends though...are there any bodies left for Dany to kill?
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Post by JosiaDB on May 13, 2019 10:18:22 GMT -5
Well I'm glad that Arya survived, and Sandor finally convinced her to live. I halfway expected her to die by something stupid, like a random rock falling at her somehow, at the end of the show, after making it through all that for an hour. About the last time she woke up, my wife says, 'boy, she sure is a resilient little booger isn't she?' LOL But I really liked that scene where she found the horse. Jon needs to take note from her how to treat an animal!
It was good to see Sandor and Gregor fight, but they over did it a bit.
I'm torn on Dany's madness as far as it being just pure madness, or simply the utter rage that she (and Grey Worm) felt that just finally boiled over. How many times do people in those same type situations, with all that happened to her, do people going through the same sort of stuff just put their fists through walls, break golf clubs (hahahah!), be affected by road rage, use a gun they have on them where they would not have if they weren't acting in the heat of the moment.
Only difference is she had a dragon, and no one up there with her to pull her back.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 14:31:31 GMT -5
K'off game of thrones, honestly it's like it was written by a person who'd been told about the previous seasons by someone who had seen the odd highlight of the seasons. Wasted 9 years on this. 9 kin years
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Post by gamesdecent on May 13, 2019 16:14:48 GMT -5
This show would be so amazing if it weren't for some awful decision-making by the writers. WOW, it's so bad. Like what is the entire point of Jaime's last, I dunno, seven? seasons worth of character development? And in an alley where literally everything is charred remains and Arya looking like she survived 9/11 in the basement of one of the towers, some random, pristine WHITE horse is out there just chilling? I mean, I get it, white horse/pale mare = death = Arya, whatever. I like the imagery, but it's still incredibly dumb when you stop and think about it, just like Grey Worm charging into battle with no helmet on. And I just knew in that final scene where Arya sat up from the rubble in profile, she was going to turn to face the camera and the other half of her face was going to be burned like the Hound's.
I have no problem with Dany going Mad Queen, I think she will in the books too and it's totally within character for her to do so. But I think they completely obliterated it by having her go Mad Queen on millions of random citizens and not keep it contained to people around her that she feels betrayed her. Ultimately, it's Cersei's spot that she wants. If she had to burn the city so her army could access the Red Keep and get to Cersei, sure, that makes perfect sense. But she could've literally flown straight to the Red Keep, knocked it down, and not changed anything about how the episode played out, except her character development wouldn't have been ruined. She isn't a cold blooded killer, she's just obsessed with winning the throne and willing to do whatever it takes to get it. It just felt like they needed her to be the next big bad for the Starks to face in the final episode.
I liked Cleganebowl for the most part, but wish the Hound had actually had to face his fear of fire to kill the Mountain, rather than tackle him through a stone wall and happen to fall into a fire. For D&D to say in the after episode comments that they knew he would have to die by fire, the fire part of his death felt really insignificant. Would've been way more badass to tackle him into a pile of rubble, then set it on fire with him and the Mountain in it. Sacrifice + actually overcoming fear = win.
Don't even get me started on Euron.
Jaime's treatment is still the most egregious to me though. I don't know why they let Cersei off so easy, I needed Jaime to put a knife in her stomach down in the crypts while she's crying about their kid, and then escape to safety as planned. Or if you want him to die in the roof collapse that's fine, but I needed to see Jaime kill Cersei. That's literally his entire arc. ARE WE JUST GOING TO FORGET ABOUT THE VALONQUAR PROPHECY??? It was in the show too, not just the books.
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Post by cliffs on May 13, 2019 16:33:32 GMT -5
As lame as this season has been due to writers....what the heck is the final episode of a damn fine show going to be like?
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Post by Brighttail on May 13, 2019 16:35:31 GMT -5
I agree, Cersei was let off way entirely too easy for all the evil/corruption she caused. Sure she lost her husband (Robert) as stated in the prophecy, as with her three children and in the end a younger, more pretty woman took her place on the throne but seriously, Jamie's whole story basically ended up as, he gained some redemption by fighting off the White Walkers to keep his word as he fought for the living, only to have him throw away all that he did because he could not live his life without the one person he truly loved. That same person was the one that helped destroy him. So yeah, to have him come back and have a tender moment with Cersei before they died in probably the most merciful way possible under the circumstances without Cersei having to face even one of the people that she wronged, like Jon, Arya or even Danny, seemed to be a cop out. It really seemed that show runners decided that Jamie deserved a merciful death and she just happened to be with him as he died.
Meh.
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Post by gamesdecent on May 13, 2019 17:03:15 GMT -5
So apparently they left out the “younger brother will strangle you” blah blah blah portion of the prophecy in the show, which at least leaves some hope for the books, I guess.
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Post by JosiaDB on May 13, 2019 17:32:26 GMT -5
It WILL be interesting to see how the books go, IF HE EVER FINISHES THEM.
I used to get so mad when this show started, even during the first couple seasons, because of the differences from the books that the show writers put in there, that were just....stupid.
My main reason all along in watching the show was just to make sure I saw some type of ending, in case Martin didn't get around to it. LOL
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