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Post by Doyley on Apr 23, 2019 19:59:57 GMT -5
Also Doyley , I'm getting ahead of myself for sure but I might want to consider finishing up Alotian at some point. We'll have to see if I'm still interested or not a few months down the road but that course definitely deserves to be in the game. I've handed it off to Ghee Buttersnaps - it's in his possession now |
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Post by kvand on Apr 23, 2019 20:03:13 GMT -5
I'd be willing to look at it at some point for sure! I still have a bit more to learn about water features and stuff, my first course didn't have them but my second one does. Looking at the OSM a couple things come to mind. First is that the general point density you're using seems to be pretty good. Too few and the shapes suck, too many and it can be more time consuming to modify shapes in-game if necessary, so a nice moderately thorough middleground is what I aimed for with my second course. First time around I went overboard with it. Second is that bunker islands (and fairway rough islands) don't come through in-game. I have not experimented with them yet but I think the way to go could be to draw fairway around it but leave one part where it's slightly open. I edited the rough/bunker island on Hole 8, hopefully someone who knows more about this can look at it and confirm if that would achieve the desired effect or not just to help us less experienced designers going forward. Another thing I haven't quite figured out yet is that on my first course the fairways ended up being wider than the splines suggested, so I tried to compensate for that slightly on my second go. Looks good in game but I'm stuck waiting for setting up the water features for now in case I have to remake the heightmap. Also Doyley , I'm getting ahead of myself for sure but I might want to consider finishing up Alotian at some point. We'll have to see if I'm still interested or not a few months down the road but that course definitely deserves to be in the game. Very good...just let me know if you ever get around to wanting to give it a go. I am currently doing a very modest attempt at an RCR for the course, but would love the opportunity to see the lidar version. I did get hole 8 done on my design...see picture. it was a bit tricky to get it to work out and I'm not even sure if i remember enough to explain how i did it, I would have to play around again.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 20:20:06 GMT -5
Also Doyley , I'm getting ahead of myself for sure but I might want to consider finishing up Alotian at some point. We'll have to see if I'm still interested or not a few months down the road but that course definitely deserves to be in the game. I've handed it off to Ghee Buttersnaps - it's in his possession now SWEET!
Does he want to put Eastward Ho up for grabs one of these days? I'm sure someone would get to it.
kvand I just might. Will have to see though for now since I got some more learnin' to do. |
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Post by TinCup on Apr 24, 2019 23:41:37 GMT -5
Also Doyley , I'm getting ahead of myself for sure but I might want to consider finishing up Alotian at some point. We'll have to see if I'm still interested or not a few months down the road but that course definitely deserves to be in the game. I've handed it off to Ghee Buttersnaps - it's in his possession now I was just jumping around the forum and I'm really glad I came across this. Had no idea anyone was working on Alotian. I've been hoping someone would take it on but figured the chances of both a designer being aware of the course and willing to build it were pretty slim. I don't have anywhere near the level of skill necessary to pull it off or I would have done it a long time ago so whether it's arielatom or gheebuttersnaps I strongly support this RCR! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 11:22:51 GMT -5
I've handed it off to Ghee Buttersnaps - it's in his possession now I was just jumping around the forum and I'm really glad I came across this. Had no idea anyone was working on Alotian. I've been hoping someone would take it on but figured the chances of both a designer being aware of the course and willing to build it were pretty slim. I don't have anywhere near the level of skill necessary to pull it off or I would have done it a long time ago so whether it's arielatom or gheebuttersnaps I strongly support this RCR! Doyley said gheebuttersnaps is working on it. He didn't want to finish Eastward Ho and knowing he did Sunday River (which is a similarly dramatic course) I figured perhaps Alotian would be right up his alley and suggested he check it out. Doyley had been working on the OSM for it and if no one took it off his hands I might've volunteered to eventually. If I get some free time I might want to check out Eastward Ho at some point, unless the lidar data quality for it is lacking enough to make it much more of a pain to finish up 
You might want to check out Engineers CC Beta, which is a 70% complete beta I published of my first experiences with the course designer. Still has some inaccuracies I need to fix with some of the bunkers and it needs some grass planting, but it turned out mighty fine so far. The lidar stuff isn't as tough as you might think if you pick an 'easier' course to work with. They still require a sizeable time commitment (albeit smaller than that of a typical fictional course or pre-lidar RCR). It's a lot of busywork getting it laid out on OpenStreetMap and such but if you pick a course that interests you (search for pictures of it online, and if applicable use Google Earth's 3D data feature to roam the ground and 'tour' the course in more detail) you may find the end result is worth it.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 25, 2019 15:15:24 GMT -5
just to make you all jealous - I LiDAR'd the Alotian course at a 1.0 factor (default 2). It's insanse how good the elevations look - unfortunately the plant meter is somehwere in the stratosphere but I can still play it in the designer. It's glorious and is the future of golf. I should take some pics sometime
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Post by chadgolf on Apr 25, 2019 15:29:37 GMT -5
just to make you all jealous - I LiDAR'd the Alotian course at a 1.0 factor (default 2). It's insanse how good the elevations look - unfortunately the plant meter is somehwere in the stratosphere but I can still play it in the designer. It's glorious and is the future of golf. I should take some pics sometime Don’t teach people how to use the tools or what things mean! If you want that to be the reality, I guess I need to get in touch with HB to see if they will legitimize the approach. Anyone got their contact information? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 21:35:19 GMT -5
Doyley what's different between 1 and 2? Does it use twice as much info?
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Post by Doyley on Apr 25, 2019 21:52:10 GMT -5
Doyley what's different between 1 and 2? Does it use twice as much info? Chad would be best to give you the exact details - but it's a big increase as far as I remember him saying - not sure if it's as simple as double or not. |
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Post by TinCup on Apr 25, 2019 22:18:20 GMT -5
arielatom I'm looking forward to it, especially after seeing Doyley LiDAR comment. I'll have to check out Engineers CC too. In regards creating a course using LiDAR myself, I was actually just referring to my skill as a course designer in general haha. I would definitely put more time into getting better at it if I could utilize that LiDAR program. There's a handful of courses in Texas and Arkansas I think would be great additions to TGC Tours. Unfortunately I'm on ps4 so I couldn't build a course using LiDAR even if I wanted to (unless that's somehow changed). For you or anyone out there looking for solid course options they'd like to take a shot at, the Texas/Arkansas ones I referenced above are (sorted by course rating): - The Blessings Golf Club - Fayetteville, AR (80.9 / 155)
- Univ. of Ark golf team's home course and host of this year's men's and women's National Championships
- Maridoe Golf Club - Carrolton, TX (80.5 / 155)
- Dallas National Golf Club - Dallas, TX (77 / 150)
- Black Jack's Crossing - Terlingua, TX (68.7 / 111)
Would highly recommend giving these some research time
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Post by chadgolf on Apr 25, 2019 23:34:04 GMT -5
Doyley what's different between 1 and 2? Does it use twice as much info? Chad would be best to give you the exact details - but it's a big increase as far as I remember him saying - not sure if it's as simple as double or not. It’s 4x..... square of the ratio. So 2/1* 2/1 = 4x the resource usage. the background scale is usually 16, so that’s 2/16 * 2/16 = 1/64x usage. So if a good lidar course uses 30% of the resources, a 1 value would use 120% to 200%. whereas using the background option only uses an additional 0.5% to 1% ideally. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 0:03:53 GMT -5
Ahh, that makes sense. I think with the masking I used on mine I'm starting from around 50-60% or so. I'll remove some trees especially on Jasna to open up space as it has A LOT of tall grasses all over the place. No idea if it's possible to make some of them lateral hazards or not like they might be in real life. So 50-60 would be >150 or so most likely? Yeah, there's not enough file space for that as of now  So I guess every course would look a lot better on 1 than 2?
tincup there are probably at least 50+ courses in those two states that are very much worthy candidates for lidar RCRs. I actually knew nothing about how to work the designer before starting Engineers, aside from what I picked up from watching various how to / tutorial videos. IME I think it's probably a much easier way to ease into learning the designer, since you don't have to get it all down at once. I only mentioned my course as an example of what can be done on your first go, I'm still definitely in the 'beginner' camp when it comes to this stuff. If you pick a good enough course, as long as you finish it decently the layout and terrain will do the talking for you. Whether or not you like Engineers as a course is another story but it's 'interesting' to say the least (as long as you play the default green speed).
Perhaps I'll jump into making a fictional course at some point, and it will be much better than it would be without several lidar courses and some experience with the TGC designer under my belt already. I have several ideas in mind from drawings that I left behind when I moved, one course I probably remember 80% of in detail or something like that.
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Post by MAJORHIGH on Sept 6, 2019 9:29:41 GMT -5
Claimed courses missing. Anyone have this backed up?
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Post by sandsaver01 on Sept 6, 2019 15:40:55 GMT -5
Claimed courses missing. Anyone have this backed up? Yeah, I added Black Diamond (Quarry) about 4-5 hours ago and it seemed fine. I went on to add World Woods Pine Barrens just now and no course names, also my name did not show in the designer coloumn so maybe I am the one who screwed it up. |
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Post by sandsaver01 on Oct 31, 2019 15:17:39 GMT -5
I had started to do TPC River Highlands in CT, but then Wbright (William Bright) asked if he could take it over since he lives near there and has played the course. I said fine, he will probably do a better job because he is local. I will add that to the "Course Claimer" sheet since I do not know if is familiar with it.
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