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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Feb 2, 2019 18:32:41 GMT -5
I've been on masters from the beginning, so yes, I said it then too. I don't have a problem with a mix of pro/master on the CC tours. What I don't want to see is a tour for which I cannot 'choose' to make that choice in CC to play masters. I like the challenge that set offers. Beginner Clubs have their own space as it should be - they require no skill to use. Ok, I guess this is where I am confused with your statement(s). Under the proposed system if you want to play master set, you would play in the master set system. If you only play master set clubs, this would benefit you. Especially in the lower flights. As you said with beginner clubs, the same should be said with a separation of master and pro sets. This should be my last post on this matter. I took your proposal as a progression system. If one happens to qualify in the 'pro' tier range, would be forced to use pro. As I am CC-F, that would put me in the lower 'pro' tier, again equating the proposal to the current structure - I'd have to use pro. Anyway, I don't have any problems with the tours as they currently stand. BTW, I'd bet we would see the same disparity in the number of demotions v. clubsets. It was a good topic for discussion.. |
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Post by lions67 on Feb 2, 2019 18:39:19 GMT -5
Let the best Master Club score at the end of a tournament be the one that fast tracks. Or at the very least give an extra promotion mark.
There should be an incentive to use these clubs.
It makes no sense to me to have pro clubs winning every tournament.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Feb 3, 2019 0:13:53 GMT -5
Let the best Master Club score at the end of a tournament be the one that fast tracks. Or at the very least give an extra promotion mark. There should be an incentive to use these clubs. It makes no sense to me to have pro clubs winning every tournament. Masters getting an extra greenie, or top 10 masters getting a greenie, I think those are good options. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 1:01:18 GMT -5
I took your proposal as a progression system. If one happens to qualify in the 'pro' tier range, would be forced to use pro. As I am CC-F, that would put me in the lower 'pro' tier, again equating the proposal to the current structure - I'd have to use pro. No that's completely missing the point. Pro club users would play in the pro club tours, end of story. Nothing to do with qualifying scores or ability, it's purely separation by difficulty level, which is the only logical solution if anything resembling a level playing field is desired. |
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Feb 3, 2019 1:53:45 GMT -5
First off, this was a community topic for discussion. So all comments are welcome to explore the issue. I think there is some confusion about the proposal. In order to explain it further, disregard this season and what tour you are playing on presently. You will not be forced to play the Masters club set (until you reach the Web.com under version two of the proposal or promote from Pro-A to Masters-D under version one). Yes, you will need to make a firm decision on which set of clubs you will play under this system. You will not be able to switch between Master and Pro after Q-School during the season at random like this season in CC-Pro/Am. If you play the Pro set, you will not advance beyond Pro-A regardless of how well you shoot in Q-School. If you play the Master set, you will not be lower than Masters-D regardless of how poor you shoot in Q-School. Personally, I think I like version two better than one. If you advance through the Masters A-D tours, you promote to Euro. If you advance through the Pro A-D/Z, you promote to the Web.com. It gives incentive to the Masters players for the efforts and ensures Pro players cut their teeth with the Masters set before moving further up the chain. Hopefully, this helps with some of the confusion. I guess my graphic sucked.  |
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Post by colgreenshields on Feb 3, 2019 3:46:57 GMT -5
I think it's a great idea that is definitely worth implementing. Nobody should have any complaints with what you are proposing, if they are then they are not understanding. The rewards are the same for both club sets but everyone is playing against each other with the same set of tools. What can be fairer than that?
Btw, your graphic made complete sense too.
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Post by mde8965 on Feb 3, 2019 8:14:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I like this discussion even though it doesn’t affect me. But it’s a bad idea to lock someone into a club set for the entire season. So I think if a person progresses through the Pro ranks to the highest tier they can be promoted to the lowest tier in the Masters flights. Not to web/Euro. Most would be out of their element if they are not used to Masters clubs. Or if they want to switch from Pro tiers to Masters they have to redo Q school using masters clubs to see where they should be placed.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Feb 3, 2019 13:00:47 GMT -5
Ok, so after 3 months of playing Masters clubs on the Challenge Circuit I've made the change. In those 3 months I haven't broken 60 once and have an average of around 67. I just kicked off with a 58, and if I carried a 4 iron it could have been better than that.
It is literally a different game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 13:33:41 GMT -5
Ok, so after 3 months of playing Masters clubs on the Challenge Circuit I've made the change. In those 3 months I haven't broken 60 once and have an average of around 67. I just kicked off with a 58, and if I carried a 4 iron it could have been better than that. It is literally a different game. I had a bash with pro clubs on last week's PGA course and scored a 54 (best round by any PGA player with master's last week was 53), and not a single bad tempo - I felt what it must be like to be a PS4 player! (kidding guys, put your pitchforks away, there's a short swinger over there, go get him!) |
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Feb 3, 2019 13:35:06 GMT -5
Ok, so after 3 months of playing Masters clubs on the Challenge Circuit I've made the change. In those 3 months I haven't broken 60 once and have an average of around 67. I just kicked off with a 58, and if I carried a 4 iron it could have been better than that. It is literally a different game. This is my point exactly. Until last week, I played Masters and earned two promotion marks. I even missed the Top 20 once after posting -35 for the tourney. This week I used Pro... tied for second at -41. |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Feb 3, 2019 14:31:54 GMT -5
I've played a couple of rounds with masters over the last few days and finished evens and +1. Tempo was my problem with the masters, I'll keep trying them and see if I'll get used to them, if not I'll stick to pro clubs because if I'm not enjoying it I'll stop playing.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Feb 3, 2019 15:33:03 GMT -5
I've played a couple of rounds with masters over the last few days and finished evens and +1. Tempo was my problem with the masters, I'll keep trying them and see if I'll get used to them, if not I'll stick to pro clubs because if I'm not enjoying it I'll stop playing. But that the point really, tempo is everything. With Masters clubs it's so hard to get it right consistently and actually I find that more fun. The problem is I'm basically handicapping myself against people using Pro clubs. That round just now, I hit 2 off tempo swings in the entire round. Unfortunately one was a pitch at 18 which cost me a shot but that's just par for the course! I'll carry on using Masters in all my other events because I enjoy it more, but there's just no point banging my head against a wall in TGCT events any longer. HB didn't even try and get a balance, these club sets are difficulty levels. |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Feb 3, 2019 16:20:12 GMT -5
I've played a couple of rounds with masters over the last few days and finished evens and +1. Tempo was my problem with the masters, I'll keep trying them and see if I'll get used to them, if not I'll stick to pro clubs because if I'm not enjoying it I'll stop playing. But that the point really, tempo is everything. With Masters clubs it's so hard to get it right consistently and actually I find that more fun. The problem is I'm basically handicapping myself against people using Pro clubs. That round just now, I hit 2 off tempo swings in the entire round. Unfortunately one was a pitch at 18 which cost me a shot but that's just par for the course! I'll carry on using Masters in all my other events because I enjoy it more, but there's just no point banging my head against a wall in TGCT events any longer. HB didn't even try and get a balance, these club sets are difficulty levels. I'm not exactly excelling with pro clubs just now so switching to masters would be out of the question. I'll keep trying them in non tour rounds and see if I can get a few ok scores. |
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Post by lessangster on Feb 4, 2019 7:12:29 GMT -5
There is no point handicapping yourself by using masters on the CC tours. On Xbox I get too many tempo issues.
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Post by runicstarfish on Feb 4, 2019 20:33:09 GMT -5
So from my perspective, the only change required by TGC Tours or the Admins. is to restrict certain clubs from the CC-Flights.
CC-Pro - A,B,C,D = Master clubs only
CC-Am - E,F,G,Z = Pro Clubs only
And the progression from Z to A would remain the same.
So, if the current season would end today, and I was is CC-Z, using Pro Clubs.
And if this new current season would say start tomorrow, then:
A) As a current CC-Z player playing with Pro clubs I would stay put at CC-Z, and,
B) If as a current CC-Z player playing with Master Clubs, but chooses to convert to Pro Clubs, I could
stay at CC-Z, but,
C) As a current CC-Z player playing with Master Clubs, and choosing to stay with Master Clubs, I would
presume then, that I would be asked to re-take Q-School with Master Clubs, and would be issued an
CC-Pro - D or higher card ?
And of course vice versa.
Thoughts ?
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