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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Feb 1, 2019 9:25:53 GMT -5
Honestly I don't see an issue. There are definitely more pro players on the CC tours than master, so any number crunching is going to be skewed because of that. With that said, there have been a mix of master club winners, and those that recieved a fast track promo on the lower tiers, again the numbers will be less because of the club choices.
What's the problem?
I'm CC-F and choose to use master because, well, that's my choice. I played a couple of practice rounds with pro and felt like a zombie, but funny thing, I actually score better with the master clubs on the same course with the same conditions.
With anything, variables in one's play is the real difference. At least when I shank or pull a shot, I know it was something I did with my swing.
My vote, for what is worth, leave as is.
One person mentioned 'why not have a master's only Division' - well, the are 3 of those, called PGA, Euro, and Web - which everyone strives to get to at some point. And the tier above PGA? That was the World Tour last year - that is the only thing I would not have a problem bringing back - but that also means more work for the admins.
May your clubs swing true and your balls fly straight! In the words of one of my fellow F'ers... "Onward!"
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Feb 1, 2019 9:45:26 GMT -5
Looking at current wk after round 3 on the CC tours:
A - 5 masters in top 10, 2 are top 2
B - 4 in top 10, 3 top 5
C - 2 in top 10, 2 top 5
D - 3 in top 10, 1 top 5
E - 8 in top 10, 3 top 5
F - 5 in top 10, 1 top 5
G - 5 in top 10, 2 top 2
Z - 6 in top 10, 4 top 5
Why are we having this discussion again?
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Feb 2, 2019 9:30:10 GMT -5
Looking at current wk after round 3 on the CC tours: A - 5 masters in top 10, 2 are top 2 B - 4 in top 10, 3 top 5 C - 2 in top 10, 2 top 5 D - 3 in top 10, 1 top 5 E - 8 in top 10, 3 top 5 F - 5 in top 10, 1 top 5 G - 5 in top 10, 2 top 2 Z - 6 in top 10, 4 top 5 Why are we having this discussion again? This is why...  |
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Feb 2, 2019 9:34:51 GMT -5
Theoretically, what would happen if all of CC was Pro Clubs only? My hypothesis is that a lot of people would be clamoring to allow Master Clubs, and the rule would become Pro-Clubs-recommended-but-you-can-use-Master-if-you-want. That's what we already have. I'm not advocating for CC to be all Pro or Master, but separate flights/divisions all together. Again, the Beginner set was separated due to advantage so why not Pro and Master? |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Feb 2, 2019 11:03:50 GMT -5
Theoretically, what would happen if all of CC was Pro Clubs only? My hypothesis is that a lot of people would be clamoring to allow Master Clubs, and the rule would become Pro-Clubs-recommended-but-you-can-use-Master-if-you-want. That's what we already have. I'm not advocating for CC to be all Pro or Master, but separate flights/divisions all together. Again, the Beginner set was separated due to advantage so why not Pro and Master? So would CC-Z to CC-E be Pro Clubs only then? |
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Post by cappy1 on Feb 2, 2019 11:36:32 GMT -5
Theoretically, what would happen if all of CC was Pro Clubs only? My hypothesis is that a lot of people would be clamoring to allow Master Clubs, and the rule would become Pro-Clubs-recommended-but-you-can-use-Master-if-you-want. That's what we already have. I'm not advocating for CC to be all Pro or Master, but separate flights/divisions all together. Again, the Beginner set was separated due to advantage so why not Pro and Master? Who is going to pay for all this extra work? |
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Feb 2, 2019 12:01:34 GMT -5
I'm not advocating for CC to be all Pro or Master, but separate flights/divisions all together. Again, the Beginner set was separated due to advantage so why not Pro and Master? So would CC-Z to CC-E be Pro Clubs only then? In version 1 of the concept, yes. However, the Tour name does not matter so long as the club sets are separated in competition. |
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Post by whiz03 on Feb 2, 2019 12:13:50 GMT -5
Tour name does not matter so long as the club sets are separated in competition.
Exactly,enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2019 12:21:12 GMT -5
Tour name does not matter so long as the club sets are separated in competition. Exactly,enough said. Yep, it was a nice touch by jagman to suggest alternative names but they are irrelevant to the main point about separation by difficulty level. No competitive gaming setup anywhere else would allow different difficulty levels in the same competition. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Feb 2, 2019 14:05:43 GMT -5
I get it, but those that are playing masters have chosen that. Nobody is forcing them - if they were at a so called disadvantage, they could 'choose' to play pro, but they don't.
Your numbers will obviously show pro users promoting at a higher rate simply because there are more playing those clubs, as your nice graphic points out. There is choice in the CC tiers.
Whatever happens happens, I will continue to choose to play with my master 'disadvantage' as will most other master users in my opinion.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Feb 2, 2019 14:09:43 GMT -5
Next topic: Separation by Console
When does it end?
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Feb 2, 2019 14:22:12 GMT -5
Next topic: Separation by Console When does it end? See this would be my worry as well, as I don't think you can ever have a truly even playing field. But do we decide not to go down a route because of where it may lead. But I could see master club users complaining if they got demoted down to the pro only flights and couldn't use master clubs. |
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Post by flo1860 on Feb 2, 2019 15:11:19 GMT -5
I get it, but those that are playing masters have chosen that. Nobody is forcing them - if they were at a so called disadvantage, they could 'choose' to play pro, but they don't. Your numbers will obviously show pro users promoting at a higher rate simply because there are more playing those clubs, as your nice graphic points out. There is choice in the CC tiers. Whatever happens happens, I will continue to choose to play with my master 'disadvantage' as will most other master users in my opinion. This is ridiculous. Did you say that on beginner clubs too? |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Feb 2, 2019 18:16:11 GMT -5
I get it, but those that are playing masters have chosen that. Nobody is forcing them - if they were at a so called disadvantage, they could 'choose' to play pro, but they don't. Your numbers will obviously show pro users promoting at a higher rate simply because there are more playing those clubs, as your nice graphic points out. There is choice in the CC tiers. Whatever happens happens, I will continue to choose to play with my master 'disadvantage' as will most other master users in my opinion. This is ridiculous. Did you say that on beginner clubs too? I've been on masters from the beginning, so yes, I said it then too. I don't have a problem with a mix of pro/master on the CC tours. What I don't want to see is a tour for which I cannot 'choose' to make that choice in CC to play masters. I like the challenge that set offers. Beginner Clubs have their own space as it should be - they require no skill to use. |
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Post by XJ_Jagman on Feb 2, 2019 18:22:06 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. Did you say that on beginner clubs too? I've been on masters from the beginning, so yes, I said it then too. I don't have a problem with a mix of pro/master on the CC tours. What I don't want to see is a tour for which I cannot 'choose' to make that choice in CC to play masters. I like the challenge that set offers. Beginner Clubs have their own space as it should be - they require no skill to use. Ok, I guess this is where I am confused with your statement(s). Under the proposed system if you want to play master set, you would play in the master set system. If you only play master set clubs, this would benefit you. Especially in the lower flights. As you said with beginner clubs, the same should be said with a separation of master and pro sets. |
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