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Post by ErixonStone on Nov 26, 2018 16:33:39 GMT -5
IMO being good with beginner clubs is like being good at bowling with bumpers. Ugh, the bumper-bowling analogy. That would be true if the out-of-the-cone shots were only "bumped" to be kind-of bad shots. Bumpers in bowling don't eliminate not-very-good shots, and often, for competitive bowlers, actually get in the way. Someone posted a picture of a ramp that little kids can use to send their shot towards the pins. That's more like beginner clubs. HB really messed up the balance among club sets. Pitches, chips, flops and even putting are measurably more difficult with Master Clubs, and extremely easy with Beginner Clubs. TGCT is just dealing with what HB has done. I'm sure this will continue to be monitored. |
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Post by ramtough on Nov 26, 2018 16:53:04 GMT -5
Is there going to be a leader board for the new Beginners Club Tour?
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Post by SmilingGoats on Nov 26, 2018 17:43:04 GMT -5
Is there going to be a leader board for the new Beginners Club Tour? Yes. And a money list, and player profiles. All the same stuff as the other tours. Will all be online next week when the tour starts. |
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Post by RTA MAN on Nov 26, 2018 18:58:28 GMT -5
Is there going to be a leader board for the new Beginners Club Tour? Yes. And a money list, and player profiles. All the same stuff as the other tours. Will all be online next week when the tour starts. Is there a count of how many players have switched over to the beginners tour thus far? |
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Post by stevebly1975 on Nov 27, 2018 5:29:32 GMT -5
Is there going to be a leader board for the new Beginners Club Tour? Yes. And a money list, and player profiles. All the same stuff as the other tours. Will all be online next week when the tour starts. Any idea when the first course will be posted? |
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Post by SmilingGoats on Nov 27, 2018 7:40:35 GMT -5
Is there a count of how many players have switched over to the beginners tour thus far? As of right this second, 73 players. Any idea when the first course will be posted? BCT plays in the CC-Am society so the course will be the same as any of the CC-Am flights. |
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Post by TreeWood on Nov 29, 2018 16:58:33 GMT -5
Beginners tour here i come.. i didnt play much of TGC2 and this game to me is worse in that i cannot fathom out how the tempo thing works. I played first 2 rounds on Pro this week and shot 70 & 75 , this only leaves me 24 strokes behind the leader  Played R3 using beginners and shot -8, again no where near the top of the leaderboard , but much more enjoyable. I play games for relaxation and fun, i do not play games to become stressed after a hard day at work. I will gladly go onto beginners tour and stay there and if it means i am now classed as inferior to others then so be it , i dont care. Once i stop enjoying , i stop playing. I always treated you as inferior on account of not being Australian. Nothing you can do about it, at least you’re not French or Canadian 😂 Or....even worse, French-Canadian!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2018 18:34:44 GMT -5
Is there a count of how many players have switched over to the beginners tour thus far? As of right this second, 73 players. Any idea when the first course will be posted? BCT plays in the CC-Am society so the course will be the same as any of the CC-Am flights. Can we all play the beginner tour in addition to our normal rounds? Might be fun. If not, can we make a second profile to play there? |
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Post by Doyley on Nov 29, 2018 19:52:24 GMT -5
No to both
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Post by brianfuller75 on Dec 1, 2018 6:11:18 GMT -5
Beginners Club Tour starts tomorrow...…….I hope!
It is not mentioned in the upcoming events schedule, and no-one seems to be talking about it. I know the course is the same as CC-Am tour.
It seems as if everyone has conveniently forgotten about it. I understand that there are at least 73 members lined up, but there is no thread on the forum.
Hopefully it will burst into life in the next couple of days.
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Post by c6vette2010 on Dec 1, 2018 6:55:26 GMT -5
It is my sincere hope that the distinct tone of elitism that has been created by HB’s design of the three club sets can be overcome by TGCTours management and even more importantly its members. This “Us vs Them” and the not so subtle belittling of “easier” club users is an extreme turn off.
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Post by North47 on Dec 1, 2018 7:49:40 GMT -5
It is my sincere hope that the distinct tone of elitism that has been created by HB’s design of the three club sets can be overcome by TGCTours management and even more importantly its members. This “Us vs Them” and the not so subtle belittling of “easier” club users is an extreme turn off. The three club sets are basically like the difficulty settings you find in the majority of every game released imo. What I mean obviously is... the traditional easy, medium/normal, hard modes. So basically it would be....easy (beginner clubs), medium/normal (pro clubs) and hard (master clubs). I myself, along with the majority of others who play the game don't give two F's what club set a person uses. Everybody has their own skill level and is free to play the game how they see fit. I find the master clubs pretty easy to use, but understand that not everybody is the same. Much like in other games....people might be better at playing on hard difficulty whereas I'm perfectly happy on normal and still getting the same enjoyment. And just like any other game, there's always going to be a minority of people that play on hard, and put everyone else who doesn't down. But HB have in no way created a "tone of elitism" as you put it. They have however, given everyone the option to make the game as challenging as they want. |
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Post by TimB on Dec 1, 2018 8:01:40 GMT -5
It is my sincere hope that the distinct tone of elitism that has been created by HB’s design of the three club sets can be overcome by TGCTours management and even more importantly its members. This “Us vs Them” and the not so subtle belittling of “easier” club users is an extreme turn off. I wish I could "like" this more than once. May have to create 100 new id's so I can. (and I rarely use the like button lol) |
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Post by c6vette2010 on Dec 1, 2018 8:01:51 GMT -5
It is my sincere hope that the distinct tone of elitism that has been created by HB’s design of the three club sets can be overcome by TGCTours management and even more importantly its members. This “Us vs Them” and the not so subtle belittling of “easier” club users is an extreme turn off. The three club sets are basically like the difficulty settings you find in the majority of every game released imo. What I mean obviously is... the traditional easy, medium/normal, hard modes. So basically it would be....easy (beginner clubs), medium/normal (pro clubs) and hard (master clubs). I myself, along with the majority of others who play the game don't give two F's what club set a person uses. Everybody has their own skill level and is free to play the game how they see fit. I find the master clubs pretty easy to use, but understand that not everybody is the same. Much like in other games....people might be better at playing on hard difficulty whereas I'm perfectly happy on normal and still getting the same enjoyment. And just like any other game, there's always going to be a minority of people that play on hard, and put everyone else who doesn't down. But HB have in no way created a "tone of elitism" as you put it. They have however, given everyone the option to make the game as challenging as they want. I wasn’t referring to HB as creating the tone, the tone is a by product of how they created the game but unfortunately the tone is owned by us. It is something we should strive to avoid. |
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Post by rob4590 on Dec 1, 2018 8:20:00 GMT -5
Actually the problem has been caused by the (relatively) small group of 'leaderboard whores' who have decided that rather than play with pro / master clubs and be perhaps 'good but not winning / dominating on a tour', they will go with the beginner clubs in order to 'beat up on the less skilled CC players who still want to use master/pro'.
That minority who have been doing that (which is quite pathetic to be honest) - have caused the issue for the admins as that minority have then annoyed a much larger proportion of the CC players who are playing the game to the best of their ability (rather than sandbagging) - and those players have then complained on here about that (with good reason since clearly the clubsets don't offer the even playing field that they did in TGC2)
Yes - there are clearly a group of legit CC players who use beginner clubs because that is their only way to get a decent (but not great) score but are playing to the best of their ability and to enjoy the game / tours (both of which are really what this site SHOULD be about) - those players can indeed feel somewhat hard done by by being moved to the new tour and effectively lumped in with the sandbaggers who have caused the issue.
But please stop trying to place the blame for this on the master / pro players who are pissed off with those sandbaggers, or on the admins - the blame lies solely with that small group whose lives clearly revolve around dominating the CC-A leaderboard using clubs that they have no need to use.
Now I haven't kept an eye on the top of the CC leaderboards in the first few weeks - but it will be interesting to see if those sandbaggers go to the beginners tour and just dominate that, or whether they grow a pair and play with the clubs that they CAN clearly play with, and try and compete on CC.
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