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Post by coggin66 on Nov 18, 2018 18:15:09 GMT -5
We will call it the Beginner Clubs Tour. That speaks to the clubset you can use (which is the entire purpose) not the player ability, per se. My vote still goes to calling it The Huggies Tour  I prefer to think of it as the Incontinence Pants Tour. And if it comes to a choice between giving up the tours through frustration and strapping on a pair of those bad-boys, I'll be going the latter. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Nov 19, 2018 7:20:36 GMT -5
nice to see someone older than me still playing and enjoying the game  in regard to beginners club looks like HB has opened up a can of worms with three types of clubs i personally have no problems what set of clubs folk use and think it's a bit rude to call them babies for using beginners BUT the TGC Tours are running a great comp and put a lot of hard work into it so we have to respect their rules to me it's just a game i enjoy and will endeavour to get has high in CC as possible which won't be that high so let's just stop the bickering and enjoy a great game and competition and thank our lucky stars we have a lot of folk on here giving us their time and effort ENJOY!!!!!!!!! |
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TGCT Name: Chris Walsh
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Post by Lego King Dog on Nov 19, 2018 7:31:28 GMT -5
I do actually think, give the Beginner Club Tour a couple of weeks to see how many real beginner club players there are, but then allow others to play in the beginner tour (should they wish to) in addition to their real Pro/CC tours (similar how you can join True Sim Tour in addition). Then beginner club players will feel less excluded and they maybe able to set up a few promotion leagues between beginner club players (can have ranking but not linked to real world ranking... just a club ranking)... my two cents.
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Post by grinder12000 on Nov 19, 2018 9:20:22 GMT -5
If Doyley thinks this is bad. You should see what happens when you raise water rates 10% and everybody in the city has to pay $10 more a year for water.
This ain’t nothing LOL
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Nov 19, 2018 13:01:10 GMT -5
Honestly, the physical action of flicking the controller stick is no different between the sets. Tempo may differ, so, I don't know how anyone can say they can't play with pro or master clubs... you're still flicking the stick either way.... am I missing something?
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Post by rusteerabbit on Nov 19, 2018 13:21:58 GMT -5
If Doyley thinks this is bad. You should see what happens when you raise water rates 10% and everybody in the city has to pay $10 more a year for water. This ain’t nothing LOL I would love it if my yearly water bill was only $100 |
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Tom Miller
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TGCT Name: Tom Miller
Tour: CC-A
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Post by sinker on Nov 19, 2018 14:29:47 GMT -5
Got that right. My water bill cost is about $600 to $700 yearly.
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Post by inflames47 on Nov 19, 2018 15:42:03 GMT -5
I do feel sorry for those who play with beginner clubs and truly enjoy the experience of being able to play the game. They were told to come over here and join in on the fun and we'd welcome them with open arms. They were told they could play in the Q-school and earn their way all the way up to and through the CC-ranks. They played by all the rules and then one day, without notice or consultation, BOOM! Everything has changed. They are being shunned, relegated to the back of the bus and segregated to their own tour with all the previous promises of chances of promotion rescinded and negated. Now anyone who actually has followed some of these threads and looked at the leaderboard has to understand that there are some people taking advantage of the beginner clubs. They know they can shoot -18 with them and care only for the trophies and running up the score. To those people I believe they are in violation of the 'spirit of the rules' here. But to the other people. I'm thinking to an 76 year old friend who has been playing here since TGC 1, who made it partially through the CC tours last year and has been quite literally a staple of the community in playing every week he can and doing it for the love of the game. It is to him and others like him who use beginner clubs because with those clubs they can more times than not be under par and thus feel like they are playing a game where they can beat the COURSE. They don't care so much how others do, but a few have their competitive edge still around. They like seeing themself progress and get better which is why they still use beginner clubs. They've tried pro clubs but at their age and their own set of ability, it isn't as fun and more often than not they are over par. Why don't they put in more time and learn pro clubs? Some don't have the time, others the stamina, the physical ability with their hands or they have just lived long enough that they feel they shouldn't be told what to do. For whatever reason it is for these people I wish I could wave a magic wand and identify them. These are the folks that aren't going to be abusing the rules, who aren't hurting anyone and who would sooner quit the game than to do anything that would cheat anyone else. They are mostly the quiet people that most here wouldn't know existed, who don't complain, who post very little other than to post a good score they managed to hit. These are the people who took TGCTours promises seriously and felt they still had a place here where they could play. Personally I wish there were more public consultation on this, I know why there wasn't cause there were hundreds if not thousands of posts on the subject. Still a case by case basis might have been a worthy consideration than an all out ban on beginner clubs. There was a time when this tour was small enough that Doyley and Jeff knew pretty much everyone on a first name basis but now the site has gotten so big such rules end up impacting those that really did nothing to deserve it. They just wanted to play the game with some people from around the world, using the clubs they genuinely are comfortable, all with a promise that they could and nothing changed...that was until it ended up changing. All that being said, I know why things were done. I wish it would have been done differently. The admin here aren't perfect but were a number of better solutions that what came out. Ones that were more inclusive and more compassionate to a segment of the player base that we should be celebrating not segregating. Some very important information here, "They were told they could play in the Q-school and earn their way all the way up to and through the CC-ranks. They played by all the rules and then one day, without notice or consultation, BOOM! Everything has changed. They are being shunned, relegated to the back of the bus and segregated to their own tour with all the previous promises of chances of promotion rescinded and negated." They just wanted to play the game with some people from around the world, using the clubs they genuinely are comfortable, all with a promise that they could and nothing changed...that was until it ended up changing. The admin here aren't perfect but were a number of better solutions that what came out Ones that were more inclusive and more compassionate to a segment of the player base that we should be celebrating not segregating.On a daily basis I play with player(s)who use beginner clubs, I use Pro, others use Master and they are the best games because we do not exclude because of club choice. Guess what, the beginner clubs don't always win, nor do the master clubs.. depends on the day and who is shooting best golf at that time.
As far as I am concerned, beginner clubs should be allowed In CC AM until they reach CC-D and then must use Pro CC A to CC C. Just like Pro must play Masters to reach the Web Tour. And Master clubs should not be allowed from CC-A down to Z after all it is the Pro/Am tour. Well it would mean? Simple everyone will have a goal to reach with whatever club set they choose. Stop the segregation. If a Pro player like myself loses to a beginner player in the tour I am not about to whine that they are using baby clubs, I will accept it knowing their course management was better than mine. My two cents. |
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Tom Miller
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Post by sinker on Nov 19, 2018 16:39:54 GMT -5
"As far as I am concerned, beginner clubs should be allowed In CC AM until they reach CC-D and then must use Pro CC A to CC C. Just like Pro must play Masters to reach the Web Tour. And Master clubs should not be allowed from CC-A down to Z after all it is the Pro/Am tour."
I agree.
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 19, 2018 16:47:42 GMT -5
"As far as I am concerned, beginner clubs should be allowed In CC AM until they reach CC-D and then must use Pro CC A to CC C. Just like Pro must play Masters to reach the Web Tour. And Master clubs should not be allowed from CC-A down to Z after all it is the Pro/Am tour." I agree. This is exactly the proposal I put forth to the admin. CC-Amateurs should be for the amateur ranks, including beginner clubs. These people were promise to play on the tours with everyone else and it really should be easy for them to play only in the CC-AM. Those that wish to move up still can using pro clubs. At this level it shouldn't be about trophies but moving up to the pro level. We should not have a 'special tour' for beginner clubs players. It feels more like we are creating a 'special olympics' type tour and are demeaning people. Further I suggested, like anything, if there are a few people who are abusing the system, the admin holds the right to do a field promotion to the Pro level, where they will have to play with pro clubs like any other and go through the demotion system. We should be dealing with individuals abusing the system rather than linking everyone who uses those clubs, the overwhelming number honestly, to the few abusing the system. |
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Post by TTTMFJ2K on Nov 19, 2018 16:55:55 GMT -5
"As far as I am concerned, beginner clubs should be allowed In CC AM until they reach CC-D and then must use Pro CC A to CC C. Just like Pro must play Masters to reach the Web Tour. And Master clubs should not be allowed from CC-A down to Z after all it is the Pro/Am tour." I agree. This is exactly the proposal I put forth to the admin. CC-Amateurs should be for the amateur ranks, including beginner clubs. These people were promise to play on the tours with everyone else and it really should be easy for them to play only in the CC-AM. Those that wish to move up still can using pro clubs. At this level it shouldn't be about trophies but moving up to the pro level. We should not have a 'special tour' for beginner clubs players. It feels more like we are creating a 'special olympics' type tour and are demeaning people. Further I suggested, like anything, if there are a few people who are abusing the system, the admin holds the right to do a field promotion to the Pro level, where they will have to play with pro clubs like any other and go through the demotion system. We should be dealing with individuals abusing the system rather than linking everyone who uses those clubs, the overwhelming number honestly, to the few abusing the system. Why not just keep CC-Z to just beginners only, and if people win an event or finish in the top 10 for an extended amount automatically are bumped up and must use the pro set of clubs |
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Post by lessangster on Nov 19, 2018 17:07:30 GMT -5
"As far as I am concerned, beginner clubs should be allowed In CC AM until they reach CC-D and then must use Pro CC A to CC C. Just like Pro must play Masters to reach the Web Tour. And Master clubs should not be allowed from CC-A down to Z after all it is the Pro/Am tour." I agree. This is exactly the proposal I put forth to the admin. CC-Amateurs should be for the amateur ranks, including beginner clubs. These people were promise to play on the tours with everyone else and it really should be easy for them to play only in the CC-AM. Those that wish to move up still can using pro clubs. At this level it shouldn't be about trophies but moving up to the pro level. We should not have a 'special tour' for beginner clubs players. It feels more like we are creating a 'special olympics' type tour and are demeaning people. Further I suggested, like anything, if there are a few people who are abusing the system, the admin holds the right to do a field promotion to the Pro level, where they will have to play with pro clubs like any other and go through the demotion system. We should be dealing with individuals abusing the system rather than linking everyone who uses those clubs, the overwhelming number honestly, to the few abusing the system. Agreed |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 19, 2018 17:15:13 GMT -5
This is exactly the proposal I put forth to the admin. CC-Amateurs should be for the amateur ranks, including beginner clubs. These people were promise to play on the tours with everyone else and it really should be easy for them to play only in the CC-AM. Those that wish to move up still can using pro clubs. At this level it shouldn't be about trophies but moving up to the pro level. We should not have a 'special tour' for beginner clubs players. It feels more like we are creating a 'special olympics' type tour and are demeaning people. Further I suggested, like anything, if there are a few people who are abusing the system, the admin holds the right to do a field promotion to the Pro level, where they will have to play with pro clubs like any other and go through the demotion system. We should be dealing with individuals abusing the system rather than linking everyone who uses those clubs, the overwhelming number honestly, to the few abusing the system. Why not just keep CC-Z to just beginners only, and if people win an event or finish in the top 10 for an extended amount automatically are bumped up and must use the pro set of clubs This too is a valid compromise. The whole, creating a special tour just for beginner clubs is what I think has left a sour taste for some. I had suggested the whole of AM since many of the people I know, never got out of CC-Am when they were playing before. |
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Post by TTTMFJ2K on Nov 19, 2018 17:17:48 GMT -5
I will admit, I was a bit salty that I made it to the European Tour on the last week just to find out I have to qualify again LOL. But yeah Im looking at the leader board for this weeks event and the leader is using beginners clubs. Why not just start it now? Basically taking a week or two of tournaments from people who are legitimately competing.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 19, 2018 17:21:33 GMT -5
On guy on CC-A is up near the top of the leaderboard using beginner clubs and he’s rated 106 on WGR if that’s not taking the piss I don’t know what is.
Edit: you can’t tell me the games that different that he can’t at least use Pro Clubs.
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