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Post by fuzzymayonnaise on Nov 17, 2018 10:30:58 GMT -5
Xbox 1 player, using master clubs and am on the CC-A tour.
Been with TGCT since the beginning.
Not sure I see any point at sticking with master clubs if I want any shot at moving up?
I thought the point was to make people want to use a higher club set?
I actually may have to use pro clubs now, not to move up, but to avoid being demoted.
I am happy to stay in CC-A and try to finish top 20 masters to earn promotion marks, but what about master clubs not getting demotion marks in CC-A? It would provide a little incentive to continue using master clubs in CC-A.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 17, 2018 10:34:28 GMT -5
Xbox 1 player, using master clubs and am on the CC-A tour. Been with TGCT since the beginning. Not sure I see any point at sticking with master clubs if I want any shot at moving up? I thought the point was to make people want to use a higher club set? I actually may have to use pro clubs now, not to move up, but to avoid being demoted.I am happy to stay in CC-A and try to finish top 20 masters to earn promotion marks, but what about master clubs not getting demotion marks in CC-A? It would provide a little incentive to continue using master clubs in CC-A. I think the incentive is you get marks even if your out of the top twenty if you use master clubs but your right with them being harder to hit tempo you could end up collecting demotion points because of finishing low down a field of pro users. |
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Post by fuzzymayonnaise on Nov 17, 2018 10:38:28 GMT -5
Xbox 1 player, using master clubs and am on the CC-A tour. Been with TGCT since the beginning. Not sure I see any point at sticking with master clubs if I want any shot at moving up? I thought the point was to make people want to use a higher club set? I actually may have to use pro clubs now, not to move up, but to avoid being demoted.I am happy to stay in CC-A and try to finish top 20 masters to earn promotion marks, but what about master clubs not getting demotion marks in CC-A? It would provide a little incentive to continue using master clubs in CC-A. I think the incentive is you get marks even if your out of the top twenty if you use master clubs but your right with them being harder to hit tempo you could end up collecting demotion points because of finishing low down a field of pro users. Right, top 20 of master users, within the top 70 places, I believe. But now that will be even more difficult with almost everyone going to pro clubs. The only incentive I could see for continuing to use masters in CC-A is if I know that I can't be demoted. I am fine being stuck on CC-A unless I get good enough to move up. |
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Post by martbloke on Nov 17, 2018 11:59:24 GMT -5
Xbox 1 player, using master clubs and am on the CC-A tour. Been with TGCT since the beginning. Not sure I see any point at sticking with master clubs if I want any shot at moving up? I thought the point was to make people want to use a higher club set? I actually may have to use pro clubs now, not to move up, but to avoid being demoted.I am happy to stay in CC-A and try to finish top 20 masters to earn promotion marks, but what about master clubs not getting demotion marks in CC-A?  It would provide a little incentive to continue using master clubs in CC-A.  Totally agree. I'm in CC-D and there's no way I'll ever get promoted. It's all about avoiding demotion. I play TST style as that's how I love playing so I will never be in with a chance of gunning for a win. Good thing I'm playing for fun as a 1st point otherwise I'd go bananas and get so bored of the game. It is still a bit annoying but not as bad as it would be if I was actually obsessed with getting as high as possible. I don't blame TGCT though. I actually think HB has screwed up the balance in the clubs causing Pro clubs to be the go to club set. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Nov 17, 2018 15:15:05 GMT -5
I think the incentive is you get marks even if your out of the top twenty if you use master clubs but your right with them being harder to hit tempo you could end up collecting demotion points because of finishing low down a field of pro users. Right, top 20 of master users, within the top 70 places, I believe. But now that will be even more difficult with almost everyone going to pro clubs. The only incentive I could see for continuing to use masters in CC-A is if I know that I can't be demoted. I am fine being stuck on CC-A unless I get good enough to move up. With recent changes, starting wk 4, I believe, both master and pro top 20 only will get a promo mark in all CC tours including A. If you have a demo mark, a finish in top 100 will clear 1. So, unless you feel you're good with the masters, by all means change to pro. If you promote out of A, then you will have to make the switch back to masters. Do whatever is most fun for you. |
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Post by jerrylee63 on Nov 17, 2018 16:42:54 GMT -5
Great changes, expect you pushing CC-A players to play Pro clubs because it will be very hard for master users to get promoted. Top 20 masters users(if they are in top 70 overall like now) should still get marks.Or if the system need to give only 20 movement marks max, give them to top 10 pro and top 10 master. |
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Post by ianmiller4468 on Nov 18, 2018 6:09:39 GMT -5
First of all I am one of those "babies" who plays on Beginners. Because of this and all the anti Beginner/ Master race bias, I do feel the need to comment:
1)The Beginners Tour: I have no problem with that. However I'm on CC-B, by right. I played Q-School. Yet I am being demoted. Because that is what it is.
Take a look at the scores, from all positions. I have seen scores of +100 in a single round. I don't know what clubs sets these guys are, yet if they are on Masters or Pros, they will still get to play on the challenge circuit. Yet because I play with Beginners I am not. Makes absolutely no sense.
2) No matter what club sets you use, there will always be players who are better or worse than you. My point above prooves that. The whole point about a their system is everyone has a place within that tour. So there should be a balance. This is what Q- School hoped to achieve. Yet not on beginners.
So no matter how good or bad you are you will always play the best players or worst players. Again makes no sense.
Why doesn't Beginners have the same teir system. "Oh, We need to limit the numbers of tours" Try doing that with Masters and Pros. See what happens.
And if beginners, (no matter their skill level) don't need to Qualify for the beginners tour, then what is the point of allowing beginner clubs in Q-School. A complete waste of my time.
Perhaps, by looking at the results from Q-School, there could be a teir system.
I am not expecting a promotion to challenge circuit, and never have. There should not be any way, a Beginners set should compete against Master Clubs, yet they do. Not my problem. Yet I'm the one who is being demoted? Again makes no sense.
It's ok, remarking it's Hb studio's fault, yet it is TGCTours who are making this decision.
Will I change my club set. I'm not the best, but certainly not the worst either. When this game first came out, I played on Masters. I still do on career mode. I do play on Pros as well, though rarely competively. I prefer Beginners, not for ease, but it's more of a challenge, in playing a 600 yard Par 5 in 20 mph winds. And I have become better technically, in the long run. That's the choice I make. And I paid the same price for the game as everybody else.
So why shouldn't I.
To those who complain about Beginners, grow a set and get better.
3) Again, I will play the Beginners Tour. Fairer playing field. For all concerned. And won't have to listen/read about the winers out there complaining I'm better or worse, just because I play my own game and not what everybody else thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 6:21:49 GMT -5
I prefer Beginners, not for ease, but it's more of a challenge, in playing a 600 yard Par 5 in 20 mph winds. .  |
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Post by staypuft39 on Nov 18, 2018 8:41:21 GMT -5
grow a set and get better. Well said, beginner club guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 10:06:04 GMT -5
First of all I am one of those "babies" who plays on Beginners. Because of this and all the anti Beginner/ Master race bias, I do feel the need to comment: 1)The Beginners Tour: I have no problem with that. However I'm on CC-B, by right. I played Q-School. Yet I am being demoted. Because that is what it is. Take a look at the scores, from all positions. I have seen scores of +100 in a single round. I don't know what clubs sets these guys are, yet if they are on Masters or Pros, they will still get to play on the challenge circuit. Yet because I play with Beginners I am not. Makes absolutely no sense. 2) No matter what club sets you use, there will always be players who are better or worse than you. My point above prooves that. The whole point about a their system is everyone has a place within that tour. So there should be a balance. This is what Q- School hoped to achieve. Yet not on beginners. So no matter how good or bad you are you will always play the best players or worst players. Again makes no sense. Why doesn't Beginners have the same teir system. "Oh, We need to limit the numbers of tours" Try doing that with Masters and Pros. See what happens. And if beginners, (no matter their skill level) don't need to Qualify for the beginners tour, then what is the point of allowing beginner clubs in Q-School. A complete waste of my time. Perhaps, by looking at the results from Q-School, there could be a teir system. I am not expecting a promotion to challenge circuit, and never have. There should not be any way, a Beginners set should compete against Master Clubs, yet they do. Not my problem. Yet I'm the one who is being demoted? Again makes no sense. It's ok, remarking it's Hb studio's fault, yet it is TGCTours who are making this decision. Will I change my club set. I'm not the best, but certainly not the worst either. When this game first came out, I played on Masters. I still do on career mode. I do play on Pros as well, though rarely competively. I prefer Beginners, not for ease, but it's more of a challenge, in playing a 600 yard Par 5 in 20 mph winds. And I have become better technically, in the long run. That's the choice I make. And I paid the same price for the game as everybody else. So why shouldn't I. To those who complain about Beginners, grow a set and get better. 3) Again, I will play the Beginners Tour. Fairer playing field. For all concerned. And won't have to listen/read about the winers out there complaining I'm better or worse, just because I play my own game and not what everybody else thinks. 1. You know that your right to play here wasn't included with the purchase price of the game, right? This is a privately owned and operated community that is based on competition. Whatever rules the owners/admin put forth are there for what they believe to be best for the future and growth of this community. "That's the choice I make."...correct...you have made the choice to use a club set that is being removed from general tour play. You can also make the choice to "grow a pair" and play on tour with the recognized club sets. 2. "It's ok, remarking it's Hb studio's fault, yet it is TGCTours who are making this decision." And....? TGCT isn't HBS. HBS also doesn't make the majority of their design decisions based on what is ultimately best for TGCT. The vast majority of community members here believe that beginner clubs don't belong in tour play. TGCT (being a privately owned community) has the right to use whatever (or not allow in this case) features available to them within the game. Once again, just because you purchased the game doesn't give you the right to dictate how TGCT runs. This is a community that came together around a game 5+ years ago. If you are sooooo offended about your precious beginner clubs being removed from tour, please go play on a society that caters to beginner clubs or start your own community that only allows beginner clubs (because those of us that only use masters apprently aren't very good and need to embrace the real challenge of beginner clubs). 3. "I prefer Beginners, not for ease, but it's more of a challenge" might be one of the a. most stupid or b. most disingenuous things ever said on this forum...and that's saying something. The irony of you telling people "to grow a pair and learn to play" while being offended that you can't use beginner clubs on tour any longer is pretty amazing. I'm not going to go into the outrageous comparison of beginner vs masters for the sake of competition. I'm pretty sure it would be lost on you anyways. The fact of the matter is that you have your own special tour to play on if you continue to use beginner clubs. You know...the club set in the game and being allowed on a special tour for those that are truly new to the game and need time to get the swing down. YOU'RE the reason why the new beginner tour exists...asshats that think it's a level playing field competing against master club users while using beginner clubs. Stop your crying, dude. Play with your beginner clubs on the beginner tour or "grow a pair and get good" on the traditional tours with the club sets that actually require a little bit a skill to play with. |
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Post by gotku on Nov 18, 2018 10:53:39 GMT -5
I prefer Beginners, not for ease, but it's more of a challenge [...]And I have become better technically, in the long run Loooooooooooooooool ! Pure diamond. The more I think about it, It might just be some guy trolling us. If not, Mr golf just answered everything right. I guess some beginner users forgot the challenge of shooting straight and tempo that can mess your shots with other set, specially masters, and hide behind the "I have less distance so it's fair". We are just not playing the same game, not as stressful, not require the same focus, when a bad tempo can ruined your scorecard anytime. (not even talking about easier putting, and Huge blue zone, that even fully loft shots have no challenge) |
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Post by Brighttail on Nov 18, 2018 11:49:09 GMT -5
I do feel sorry for those who play with beginner clubs and truly enjoy the experience of being able to play the game. They were told to come over here and join in on the fun and we'd welcome them with open arms. They were told they could play in the Q-school and earn their way all the way up to and through the CC-ranks. They played by all the rules and then one day, without notice or consultation, BOOM! Everything has changed. They are being shunned, relegated to the back of the bus and segregated to their own tour with all the previous promises of chances of promotion rescinded and negated.
Now anyone who actually has followed some of these threads and looked at the leaderboard has to understand that there are some people taking advantage of the beginner clubs. They know they can shoot -18 with them and care only for the trophies and running up the score. To those people I believe they are in violation of the 'spirit of the rules' here.
But to the other people. I'm thinking to an 76 year old friend who has been playing here since TGC 1, who made it partially through the CC tours last year and has been quite literally a staple of the community in playing every week he can and doing it for the love of the game. It is to him and others like him who use beginner clubs because with those clubs they can more times than not be under par and thus feel like they are playing a game where they can beat the COURSE. They don't care so much how others do, but a few have their competitive edge still around. They like seeing themself progress and get better which is why they still use beginner clubs. They've tried pro clubs but at their age and their own set of ability, it isn't as fun and more often than not they are over par. Why don't they put in more time and learn pro clubs? Some don't have the time, others the stamina, the physical ability with their hands or they have just lived long enough that they feel they shouldn't be told what to do.
For whatever reason it is for these people I wish I could wave a magic wand and identify them. These are the folks that aren't going to be abusing the rules, who aren't hurting anyone and who would sooner quit the game than to do anything that would cheat anyone else. They are mostly the quiet people that most here wouldn't know existed, who don't complain, who post very little other than to post a good score they managed to hit. These are the people who took TGCTours promises seriously and felt they still had a place here where they could play.
Personally I wish there were more public consultation on this, I know why there wasn't cause there were hundreds if not thousands of posts on the subject. Still a case by case basis might have been a worthy consideration than an all out ban on beginner clubs. There was a time when this tour was small enough that Doyley and Jeff knew pretty much everyone on a first name basis but now the site has gotten so big such rules end up impacting those that really did nothing to deserve it. They just wanted to play the game with some people from around the world, using the clubs they genuinely are comfortable, all with a promise that they could and nothing changed...that was until it ended up changing.
All that being said, I know why things were done. I wish it would have been done differently. The admin here aren't perfect but were a number of better solutions that what came out. Ones that were more inclusive and more compassionate to a segment of the player base that we should be celebrating not segregating.
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Post by runicstarfish on Nov 18, 2018 13:53:21 GMT -5
Thank you Mr. Brighttail ... this is one of the best posts I have read on the subject yet. Well said !!!
I too wish you had a magic wand.
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Post by RTA MAN on Nov 18, 2018 13:56:23 GMT -5
Great job Brighttail thank you for your post this is what I have been saying in the past for a while now. I would love to see the beginners tour called the seniors tour with just 3 round events where the older guys could still be able to compete in a league and not be a bother to all of you great players that are real good. I think on the champions pro tour that the events are just 3 rounds. I know I for one have lost the edge to compete on the upper tours but I do love to play in these events. Once again I thank you for your post and I also want to thank all the people who make this happen here at the TGCT tours.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Nov 18, 2018 15:18:40 GMT -5
"Will I change my club set. I'm not the best, but certainly not the worst either. When this game first came out, I played on Masters. I still do on career mode. I do play on Pros as well, though rarely competively. I prefer Beginners, not for ease, but it's more of a challenge, in playing a 600 yard Par 5 in 20 mph winds. And I have become better technically, in the long run. "
Want a real challenge, play the same conditions with the added possibiliy of hitting a slice or a hook instead of knowing that no matter how you flick the stick with beginner, you'll always have a good shot.
There is a place for you to compete with pro and master should you decide to accept the challenge and struggle like the majority of us do with the more difficult clubs..
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