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Post by firstblitzer on Jan 26, 2015 17:46:12 GMT -5
If you have genuine gripes with the game get off your backside and go post them on the official forum, that is what it is for.......................................... You didn't read the locked thread on chipping on the green did ya. Believe me if I have something to say, I have no issues expressing it.  I'm more than happy to have a civil conversation and/or debate on a subject. What I do not have time for is hypocrites or those people who are so stubborn in their views that they are unwilling to truly discuss an issue or search for a compromise. LOL, the irony...... |
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 26, 2015 17:57:25 GMT -5
You didn't read the locked thread on chipping on the green did ya. Believe me if I have something to say, I have no issues expressing it. I'm more than happy to have a civil conversation and/or debate on a subject. What I do not have time for is hypocrites or those people who are so stubborn in their views that they are unwilling to truly discuss an issue or search for a compromise. LOL, the irony...... You highlighted and underlined the first part of that sentence. By itself, yes it would look hypocritical. However if you take a moment and read the second part, you would find that I'm overwhelmingly willing to discuss an issue and search for a compromise. Would you like me to underline and bold that second part for you or are you capable of re-reading it yourself? Btw i love irony. Goes well with biscuits and gravy! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 0:29:27 GMT -5
I don't see this as you looking for a compromise, I see it as you telling others they are wrong, just like you are about to do after you read this post.
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Post by classicphil on Jan 27, 2015 10:58:44 GMT -5
I don't see this as you looking for a compromise, I see it as you telling others they are wrong, just like you are about to do after you read this post. Taste, must you litter every single one of your posts in a condescending, passive-aggressive tone? Yes, Brighttail had an opinion on the chipping on greens topic, which he articulated, but he also moved away from his opinion against an outright ban and advocated for a number of reasonable compromises that avoided an outright ban on chipping. Personally, I thought he was pretty reasonable about the whole affair... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 14:41:34 GMT -5
I don't see this as you looking for a compromise, I see it as you telling others they are wrong, just like you are about to do after you read this post. Taste, must you litter every single one of your posts in a condescending, passive-aggressive tone? Yes, Brighttail had an opinion on the chipping on greens topic, which he articulated, but he also moved away from his opinion against an outright ban and advocated for a number of reasonable compromises that avoided an outright ban on chipping. Personally, I thought he was pretty reasonable about the whole affair... Everyone is entitled to their opinions in my view. Why post on a forum and get upset if someone doesn't agree with you,thats life. We are only talking about a video game here. People disagree with eachother thats part of life.Taste is not passive aggressive and condescending that is just ridiculous,lets not get all touchy because again we are just talking about a video game . Taste could never upset me unless he started digging on my football team lol  |
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Post by snapdecks on Jan 27, 2015 22:06:30 GMT -5
I think that the flop shot is a realistic shot, but it is an incredibly difficult shot to master. Executing it in the sand is a little easier since the sand gives and you slide the club under the ball much easier. The problem here is I've seen the ball then spin backwards 10 feet which IS unrealistic. Same with using it out of the rough. Personally i think the flop shot is far far far far too easy a shot and is completely unrealistic in game compared to RL. I've seen pros who do practice it misjudge and blade the ball or shank it which are the two most common types of misses with that shot, but in this game that doesn't happen.. ever unless you don't swing straight. That being said it is as unrealistic as greens like Kodiak which doesn't hold hardly any type of shot when physics say it should. flopping out of a bunker that has a buried ball presents a very thin shot cone and if you adjust loft up then its like a fully lofted wood, nearly unplayable. So lets be realistic unless you roll into the bunker the flop is hard. I like the flop in real life but ive never seen or experienced the amount of spin a lofted flop gives. Maybe hb had to add that as a penalty. |
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Post by snapdecks on Jan 27, 2015 22:43:57 GMT -5
Id like to see being deliberately provocative whilst presenting sh%$ teir, poorly structured and thought out word play based `debate' being a dq offense.
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Post by betweentheeyez2 on Jan 28, 2015 0:58:04 GMT -5
Same issue happened again. I had 245 with all factors considered to flag for last par 5 on back 9. I hit a 5 wood lofted 1.5 bars that landed before green and went 60 ft past. The putt was missing 30 ft of grid and I majorly overplayed the break on purpose but was left with a very tricky 10 footer that barely made it. This lack of a green grid is more annoying than the camera man who knocked out my tooth. Second time I've replaced it as Elin took that tooth and all my endorsements.
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 28, 2015 5:30:21 GMT -5
Same issue happened again. I had 245 with all factors considered to flag for last par 5 on back 9. I hit a 5 wood lofted 1.5 bars that landed before green and went 60 ft past. The putt was missing 30 ft of grid and I majorly overplayed the break on purpose but was left with a very tricky 10 footer that barely made it. This lack of a green grid is more annoying than the camera man who knocked out my tooth. Second time I've replaced it as Elin took that tooth and all my endorsements. You can always intentionally hit it off the green, then use a flop chip shot. |
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Post by coruler2 on Jan 29, 2015 0:46:32 GMT -5
For all the realism in the game, there's still so many elements where the physics are not accurate. Hitting a 3-wood or 5-wood into an upslope in front of the green will not roll out 60-100ft on any course I've ever played, it takes the spin off and has a reasonable roll-out and will reward the player. Playing shots like this in the game only leads to trouble. I don't like intentionally missing greens, but I do it a lot on par5s here as hitting the green with a wood is nearly always a bad thing.
Similar to drives 'plugging' in traps and leaving 40-60%. If it truly 'plugged', any club but a wedge should be 0%, and a wedge should be about 10-20%. If it didn't plug, then it is sitting up, and should be 90-100% lie. I don't see pros pulling out 5-irons from 150yds out on traps with no lips like we have to in this game.
And I still think designers need to get the heavy rough away from the fairways more. In my last round I had 3 shots which missed the fairway by a foot (after landing and rolling in the fairway), but it misses the 6" wide rough and then you're in the heavy rough and now the par4 is a par5.
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Post by Brighttail on Jan 29, 2015 1:43:34 GMT -5
For all the realism in the game, there's still so many elements where the physics are not accurate. Hitting a 3-wood or 5-wood into an upslope in front of the green will not roll out 60-100ft on any course I've ever played, it takes the spin off and has a reasonable roll-out and will reward the player. Playing shots like this in the game only leads to trouble. I don't like intentionally missing greens, but I do it a lot on par5s here as hitting the green with a wood is nearly always a bad thing. Similar to drives 'plugging' in traps and leaving 40-60%. If it truly 'plugged', any club but a wedge should be 0%, and a wedge should be about 10-20%. If it didn't plug, then it is sitting up, and should be 90-100% lie. I don't see pros pulling out 5-irons from 150yds out on traps with no lips like we have to in this game. And I still think designers need to get the heavy rough away from the fairways more. In my last round I had 3 shots which missed the fairway by a foot (after landing and rolling in the fairway), but it misses the 6" wide rough and then you're in the heavy rough and now the par4 is a par5. I agree with you for the fairway bunkers for sure, there needs to be more of a penalty for hitting them, and depending on the lie. Too many course designers make the rough like US Open rough. It can be ridiculous but in this game there are only a few ways to make the course harder for the elites, which more and more players are trying to accomplish, but in doing so you really disservice the rest of the folks. Designers use hard / fast greens, small greens, longer holes, narrower fairways and like 8 bunkers per green. In these conditions if you hit the fairway, you have a long iron and have to land it on the fairway, else your ball won't hold the green. They then guard these greens so you have a little sliver of space to land the ball and then put ridiculous breaks if you happen to be lucky/good enough to get on in regulation. The best designers i have seen split the 18 holes into 3. 1/3 will be easy holes, 1/3 medium and 1/3 hard. The easy ones are shorter par 4s with enough green to to hold and stick, even with fast greens. Par 5's are reachable in two with a favourable wind, else it is a simple pitch shot and the par 3s are reasonable low to medium iron shots. Usually these holes have favourable pin placements and/or a way you can get to the hole using the slope of the green and a well placed approach. The hard holes are those longer holes. Par 5s rarely are reachable in two unless the wind is perfect or unless you hit the perfect approach. A tough hole could be a well crafted hole, with a couple decisions or a very tough pin placement. These are the holes where par is a great score and birdie is the result of either a perfect/lucky shot or a good length putt. Then you have the holes in the middle that can mix it up a bit. There is a good balance of risk/reward. These are the holes that golfers know they can make birdie if they play it right but know bogey is just as likely if they get too fancy or choose poorly. So the best courses will have 6 holes that birdie is more common, 6 holes where par/bogey is common and 6 holes where it runs the gambit. A truly balanced course. The best thing about courses like these is by simply switching up the pin placements what was once an easy hole becomes a hard one and vise verse. Sadly I don't see a lot of courses like these just going through the list of published courses. I see gimmick courses with a lot of target shooting golf, that is where you have either a fairway of 8 yards or a green the size of a postage stamp. One more thing that I don't see as often as i'd like is use of doglegs. One of the course designers best weapons against long shooters is a good dogleg or some way of forcing a player not to always choose driver. The driver is one of the hardest clubs in the bag to hit and this game really doesn't reflect that as much as it could. I remember watching some of the courses on the PGA, some of the toughest courses were the ones where some pros actually left the driver out of the bag in favour of another wedge. I can't wait to see more of the courses this tour gives us. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 2:51:50 GMT -5
Bright, you should build a course, with your knowledge it is bound to be an instant classic that everyone would love
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Post by firstblitzer on Jan 29, 2015 3:33:16 GMT -5
Bright, you should build a course, with your knowledge it is bound to be an instant classic that everyone would love I for one can't wait................ |
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Post by bruce on Jan 29, 2015 10:14:00 GMT -5
Played this last night for the last 3 rounds and 2 of them went for the green only yo get the long putt. In one rond I made a par and on the other I made a bogey. So for the last round I played up short and made a birdie. So playing short does have its merits.
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Post by Mitchblue on Jan 29, 2015 13:01:04 GMT -5
Played this last night for the last 3 rounds and 2 of them went for the green only yo get the long putt. In one rond I made a par and on the other I made a bogey. So for the last round I played up short and made a birdie. So playing short does have its merits. Exactly. If someone's not comfortable with a 80 foot putt lay up and have an easier 3rd shot. We have options. |
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