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[ddixjr509]

Noted. thanks for the great feedback, and I appreciate you guys taking the time to comment.

This was my 2nd completed course- I guess I'm new enough that sparingly using those stock greens still looked and felt right.
Griff made a similar comment in his review of my first course (TPC at Quinns Vineyard) regarding the sculpting and not blocking views- I was very cognizant of that this time around- hopefully my Survivor course executes better.

[reebdoog]

If the stock shape is the right shape....use it I think for bunkers some work well. For greens....not as big a fan but hey,if it works it works

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My personal take is that I don't really care if people use stock shapes or not. That being said, you have to be aware of the fact that if that's all (or predominantly) you're using then your course is going to feel very repetitive and generic as the round goes on. I don't take points away for stock shapes, but they also won't receive points in creativity unless they are used just crazy well. If it fits the eyes and is what is called for, go for it. If doing it because it's just easier and faster than using your own unique shapes, well....yeahhhhh.

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I also want to remind all of the designers that the scoring in this contest was EXTREMELY tight. If it looks like that the judges were nitpicking, well, they were. After the initial playthrough they had to recalibrate how they were scoring because of the depth of quality.

I can see where it would be easy to get bent out of shape about some of the comments, but when most everything in this contest was done to a superb level it means that those that went the extra mile and were cleaner are going to score well. If you need clarification about a comment then that's cool, but let's try to keep the butthurt to a minimum as these are released. If you find the results completely unfair: 1. Be as objective as possible and play your course side by side a course you think you should have finished in front of. 2. PM me your reasons why you think your course should have been in front of "x". 3. I promise I will listen and give you just as many reasons as to why your course didn't finish in front of "x".

Open conversation and debate is more than welcome. That being said, if you cross the line in going after the judges then I will shut this down immediately. Judging these contests isn't easy to begin with, and this one was especially tough. These guys put in some crazy time and dedication to get the results.

Carry on, gents!

[reebdoog]

I think the weight given to how the course plays is very evident in the scoring so far. I don’t know how the scoring is being done though. It will be interesting if the final scoring is released.

[ErixonStone]

Can someone elaborate on this comment about Transylvania?

- Big missed opportunity on 7. It falls flat and could be seen as a fault in the routing

What could have been done better in terms of routing?

[Moe Slorkman]

I always read the comments on my courses this way.

Yep I agree - I’ll work on that
Really that’s a fault 😂😂😂😂 - and I ignore it
And may have a point - and I might work on it or ignore it.

Seriously no point getting bent out of shape over the comments these are designers judging designers . No one is professional getting paid or has a degree it’s opinions get over it.

I think some of my comments where bollox and I’m sure when I judged comps before actually I know that designers thought my opinions where bollox.

If you want something explained or discussed PM Griff .

Him and the judges have put on a great comp with amazing results fun play throughs and some great tips and insite. Applaude them take your result and don’t be a !%$# 👍🏻.

[mrvinegar206]

May 19, 2018 11:52:49 GMT -5 reebdoog said:

I think the weight given to how the course plays is very evident in the scoring so far. I don’t know how the scoring is being done though. It will be interesting if the final scoring is released.

I don't think individual scoring will ever be released, but I can confirm some of the biggest swings in scoring between courses were either in playability or technical. Almost every course was very high in the aesthetics category. I'm not getting anymore specific than that unless Griff wants to.

Also, as Griff said, points were never taken off for no driving range. It was a suggestion.

[mrvinegar206]

May 19, 2018 12:48:02 GMT -5 ErixonStone said:

Can someone elaborate on this comment about Transylvania?

- Big missed opportunity on 7. It falls flat and could be seen as a fault in the routing

What could have been done better in terms of routing?

I can answer this.

The drive is one where you are fighting to not hit the trees on the inside corner and not go through the fairway. Of course, you could lay up, and there is nothing wrong with that. Then you turn sharply inland. If you use this as a strategical feature anywhere else on the course, it's probably additional points; however, you have this awesome part of the property with the bluff over the river. The hole you have routed currently doesn't use the river as a strategical feature. I see two different routings that I feel could have taken advantage of the land more. 1) A par 3 across the river, then have 8 be a par 4, or 2) A par 4 that runs up the river and where the green would sit is likely the same distance from the tees on 8 as the current 7th hole you have. This is what I mean by missed opportunity. You have maybe the most interesting part of the property, and I think you didn't take full advantage of it.

Does that make sense?  If it doesn't, I can try to take it more in-depth. If it does and you disagree with it, that's okay. It didn't affect you much in points. There are other things to focus on and refine first.

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yeah....with the one judge that labeled one category as "points lost" in his notes it should read "points lost/missed". In many of those cases he didn't subtract points from a score...they were just missed opportunities to add points to a score.

[ddixjr509]

May 19, 2018 10:51:26 GMT -5 @griff said:

I can see where it would be easy to get bent out of shape about some of the comments, but when most everything in this contest was done to a superb level it means that those that went the extra mile and were cleaner are going to score well. If you need clarification about a comment then that's cool, but let's try to keep the butthurt to a minimum as these are released. If you find the results completely unfair: 1. Be as objective as possible and play your course side by side a course you think you should have finished in front of. 2. PM me your reasons why you think your course should have been in front of "x". 3. I promise I will listen and give you just as many reasons as to why your course didn't finish in front of "x".

Open conversation and debate is more than welcome. That being said, if you cross the line in going after the judges then I will shut this down immediately. Judging these contests isn't easy to begin with, and this one was especially tough. These guys put in some crazy time and dedication to get the results.

I think it's fair for the designers (especially newer designers) to ask for clarification on comments. I'm 2 courses in and 7 months of experience, and I want to make sure I dont make the same mistakes going forward. I knew going in I was playing in the big boy sand box- and I had absolutely no expectations here other than not to embarrass myself.  Again, I really appreciate all of the comments by the Judges (and Staypufts PMs)- I've generated a nice list of what works and what doesn't.

I am cracking up at the ponding on greens comments on all the courses. I work in commercial land development- I never thought to put my greens in 3D AutoCad stormwater analysis- but It might be a huge advantage going forward. 

[coruler2]

Great comments on my course...nothing I can disagree with. Was struggling to build a bare-bone and drier looking course so I sparingly added a few palm trees. While a few Negev photos showed palm trees in my search...they looked planted and not like a native tree. Also started off w/ shallow water features (like the inlet on 1), but then made them deeper and lost that night grey/blue color and got the deep rich blue which didn't really fit. It was hard to make my course scream Israel. Other designers really nailed their countries and I applaud them because it's much harder to do than perceived.

[culallen]

Looks like my #10 elicited mixed feelings, all the way from “no no no” to “ best short par 4 in the competition. 😎

Thanks for the feedback, guys!

[jacobkessler]

Honestly really liked 10 at yours, Cullen. 

[catcherman22]

May 19, 2018 19:19:39 GMT -5 culallen said:

Looks like my #10 elicited mixed feelings, all the way from “no no no” to “ best short par 4 in the competition. 😎

Thanks for the feedback, guys!

Yes.. this is where we started to disagree as judges.. lol you'll see more of this in future comments!