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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 8:03:58 GMT -5
Ok Ok - I admit it - I'm just a lazy bugger who wants Griff to do the work for me  The format will probably stay as it is. I'm working in different programs/docs when I'm putting these together, so I really don't want to have to track down names that have already been posted many times while trying to format the comments. Sorry, man....not trying to be an ass, but it's not like these take me 30 seconds a piece to do or something. |
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Post by jacobkessler on May 18, 2018 11:46:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the review guys! I agree with pretty much all of the points made in the comments. There’s only one bullet point I have a problem with, because there was a bridge for players to get to the clubhouse, and plenty of courses I’ve seen don’t have a driving range, but that’s besides the point. I doubt that cost me too much anyways, as it’s the way the course played that’s the important part (IMO).
My upcoming contest course has more interesting terrain, and in my opinion at least, the bunkers are a lot better than on Japan. Thanks for putting this contest on, Griff!
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Post by reebdoog on May 18, 2018 12:10:20 GMT -5
My plant meter was maxed. I sincerely hope we aren’t losing points because a useless driving range is missing. That’s crazy
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Post by B.Smooth13 on May 18, 2018 12:19:55 GMT -5
My plant meter was maxed. I sincerely hope we aren’t losing points because a useless driving range is missing. That’s crazy x2 |
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Post by rob4590 on May 18, 2018 12:31:52 GMT -5
How the hell are the Brazilians and Icelanders ever supposed to get good without a driving range on their national courses? Jeez  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 12:52:14 GMT -5
My plant meter was maxed. I sincerely hope we aren’t losing points because a useless driving range is missing. That’s crazy That judge was specifically referring to "extras" to add to something that he felt way an otherwise bland course. No, you did not lose points because you didn't build a driving range. Context... |
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Post by reebdoog on May 18, 2018 13:06:02 GMT -5
I get it however I also don’t put anything past folks that are judging based on some previous experiences.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on May 19, 2018 3:32:56 GMT -5
Firstly I’ll take 21st 💪🏻.
And betting Sam is a minor victory as he’s courses are always solid!!!
Anyway as usual the why you lost points humored me in parts but my goal was to have a creative course that wrecked the head and supported the name and hopefully brings some mental health awareness and some dollar to any local charity’s.
Anyway this was one of my favourite contests actually probably my favorite and Griffs playthrough was again very entertaining.
Can’t wait to see who wins I know where my money is!!!!
Best of luck to the rest of the competitors.
Also I find it funny how a walk from 17-clubhouse is unrealistic when you’ve to get a boat to 5 a chopper to 18 and on 17 the steps are missing onto the tee box and there’s a 150 ft drop to a fairway that isn’t connected 😂.
Anyway great job men honestly just had to have a dig 😎
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Post by ddixjr509 on May 19, 2018 7:25:09 GMT -5
As my journal compilation of unwritten rules grows- can someone provide clarification on what is the acceptable rate to use stock/ generic shapes for greens.
Attaturk had 4/18 stock shape greens- and my bunkers were about 10% stock as well.
As I was watching a PGA tour a few weeks ago, I was amazed that most of the green shapes and many of the bunkers in that tournament were in our catalog.
I have no problems going to 0%, but sometimes those stock shapes are perfect for the green angles I'm designing.
thanks for the clarification.
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Post by mayday_golf83 on May 19, 2018 7:57:39 GMT -5
As my journal compilation of unwritten rules grows- can someone provide clarification on what is the acceptable rate to use stock/ generic shapes for greens. Attaturk had 4/18 stock shape greens- and my bunkers were about 10% stock as well. As I was watching a PGA tour a few weeks ago, I was amazed that most of the green shapes and many of the bunkers in that tournament were in our catalog. I have no problems going to 0%, but sometimes those stock shapes are perfect for the green angles I'm designing. thanks for the clarification. I think the opinion on this varies widely. My $0.02 on it is, having been in the designer as long as I have, the stock shapes are kind of ingrained in my head, so when I see them on a course, they kind of jump out at me and give off a generic, stock kind of look. Also feel, in general, using stock shapes kind of crimps creativity and handcuffs you to sculpting to your textures and not the other way around and typically makes for more a a forced feel. I like having the land speak to me as far as how a fairway or green should look, so I tend to draw everything out by hand and then go from there. I may get a stock-looking shape from time to time because of it. Personally, I didn't really ding anybody for stock shapes, because I think a lot of it comes down to personal preference but I'm definitely in the camp of hand-drawn shapes allowing a designer much more creativity and uniqueness in the look. Also, I wouldn't get hung up on that one aspect of the comments as I feel it was relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. Biggest thing for me was taking time to do put a lot of work into something, only to block it out from the tee or fairway because of sculpting. That's where a lot of playtesting comes in and not being afraid to breakout the bulldozer if you don't like the way something's looking or playing. Liked a lot of the thoughts on this course, but they were sabotaged by execution at times which, honestly, I expect from a newer designer. It's all part of the learning experience. I saw a lot of potential in this course and I'll be interested to see how you apply what you learned from this into your next design, which I have a feeling will take a substantial step forward. |
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Post by staypuft39 on May 19, 2018 8:14:43 GMT -5
As my journal compilation of unwritten rules grows- can someone provide clarification on what is the acceptable rate to use stock/ generic shapes for greens. Attaturk had 4/18 stock shape greens- and my bunkers were about 10% stock as well. As I was watching a PGA tour a few weeks ago, I was amazed that most of the green shapes and many of the bunkers in that tournament were in our catalog. I have no problems going to 0%, but sometimes those stock shapes are perfect for the green angles I'm designing. thanks for the clarification. My take on stock shapes: the only people that really care are designers who have spent 100's of hours looking at stock shapes in the designer and are sick of them. 99% of players won't notice. I say do it if you want....but those experienced designers will notice and will probably say something (still, 99% will not care....I say focus on that). It's a bit of a slippery slope using them though, as if you use them often, some greens may actually look identical to ones from your past courses. Just doesn't scream "creativity" in the long run, so it probably will set you back in a contest setting. |
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Post by mayday_golf83 on May 19, 2018 8:32:31 GMT -5
As my journal compilation of unwritten rules grows- can someone provide clarification on what is the acceptable rate to use stock/ generic shapes for greens. Attaturk had 4/18 stock shape greens- and my bunkers were about 10% stock as well. As I was watching a PGA tour a few weeks ago, I was amazed that most of the green shapes and many of the bunkers in that tournament were in our catalog. I have no problems going to 0%, but sometimes those stock shapes are perfect for the green angles I'm designing. thanks for the clarification. My take on stock shapes: the only people that really care are designers who have spent 100's of hours looking at stock shapes in the designer and are sick of them. 99% of players won't notice. I say do it if you want....but those experienced designers will notice and will probably say something (still, 99% will not care....I say focus on that). It's a bit of a slippery slope using them though, as if you use them often, some greens may actually look identical to ones from your past courses. Just doesn't scream "creativity" in the long run, so it probably will set you back in a contest setting. ^^ This. That's pretty much the point I was trying to get across, Matt just summed it up much more succinctly! |
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Post by scampi00 on May 19, 2018 8:38:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't say there's anything "wrong" with stock shapes but anyone can plop down one of those shapes. Experienced and more skilled designers can utilize the tools to give their greens more variety.
What's more impressive, a Paint by Numbers Version of Starry Night by Van Gogh or the actual version of Starry Night by Van Gogh?
In this contest of skill, those without stock shapes are showing more skill and versatility.
In my view.
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Post by jacobkessler on May 19, 2018 8:47:48 GMT -5
IMO it’s just one of those things where it depends on who you ask. Personally? I don’t like them, simply because I’ve seen them too much. Now, if someone comes after someone for using the circle to create pot bunkers, then that’s a problem. But anyway, you could ask someone else who has absolutely no problem with them. Just depends.
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Post by scampi00 on May 19, 2018 8:51:50 GMT -5
IMO it’s just one of those things where it depends on who you ask. Personally? I don’t like them, simply because I’ve seen them too much. Now, if someone comes after someone for using the circle to create pot bunkers, then that’s a problem. But anyway, you could ask someone else who has absolutely no problem with them. Just depends. Yeh I specifically only notice and care in greens personally. |
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