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Post by iorwerth on Apr 20, 2018 11:39:44 GMT -5
I was wondering if I will need to move to tour clubs or not in the immediate future. I am in CC-E and doing pretty well on player clubs, and can get perfect/perfect in the cone the majority of the time. So all well and good there. When I try out Tour clubs my swing goes to pot a bit and I shoot worse than I would with player clubs. My question is, how important is it to switch to tour clubs, and if it is, when should I be thinking about doing it? Should I wait to see if I can climb higher than CC-E? If yes, around what tour level does using player clubs become a handicap?
While part of me thinks that getting good with tour clubs would be great despite the initial pain caused getting used to them, I am not sure how much of an advantage that extra yardage is on most courses, so not sure it is worth the hassle of taking a step back on my swing trying to master the tour clubs..
Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Post by CiB0RG on Apr 20, 2018 11:53:50 GMT -5
I was wondering if I will need to move to tour clubs or not in the immediate future. I am in CC-E and doing pretty well on player clubs, and can get perfect/perfect in the cone the majority of the time. So all well and good there. When I try out Tour clubs my swing goes to pot a bit and I shoot worse than I would with player clubs. My question is, how important is it to switch to tour clubs, and if it is, when should I be thinking about doing it? Should I wait to see if I can climb higher than CC-E? If yes, around what tour level does using player clubs become a handicap? While part of me thinks that getting good with tour clubs would be great despite the initial pain caused getting used to them, I am not sure how much of an advantage that extra yardage is on most courses, so not sure it is worth the hassle of taking a step back on my swing trying to master the tour clubs.. Any advice would be much appreciated. If Player Clubs are what you are comfortable with and play the best with, then just keep using those. On CC-Am tours I'd say the majority of players use player clubs. It is more of an even mix in CC-Pro and up. Unless you plan on climbing to the World Tour (Rocher) relatively soon, I'd say just use player clubs. I personally have been using tour clubs since TGC2 came out and got used to them so I never turned back. If you do decide to take the time to master tour clubs you will enjoy having some advantages over the player club users, but for most players it's not worth the time it takes to master the more difficult swing. It all just depends on if you really desire to be able to hit max distance or not. Just a preference thing. I think ultimately if you get good with tour clubs then you can score better with them because you will be able to reach Par 5's in 2 shots easier. |
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Apr 20, 2018 12:00:11 GMT -5
Try tours on the driving range for about two hours. If you can keep it in the cone with decent tempo I would personally switch... the spin and distance advantages are massive on a lot of courses. Just my opinion tho. That’s how I learned to use them
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Post by TreeWood on Apr 20, 2018 12:48:55 GMT -5
I agree with Mitch on this. Maybe even augment driving range work with some casual rounds on courses you're already familiar with. Also, I believe many designers work with the Tour Clubs player in mind -- in the end, I would think your gameplay experience might end up better with Tour Clubs once you get a decent feel for them.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 20, 2018 12:51:38 GMT -5
Very. More seriously, I've always advocated starting with Tour, staying with Tour, and playing nothing else - but that's just me  |
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Post by CiB0RG on Apr 20, 2018 13:26:57 GMT -5
Very. More seriously, I've always advocated starting with Tour, staying with Tour, and playing nothing else - but that's just me Yes I agree with this and recommend it to anyone first starting out. Unfortunately for those who have already been playing with Player Clubs the easy route always looks more appealing. I recommend the experience playing with tour clubs and that is why I started and stayed with them. On the other hand lots of people are happy using player clubs and they will be reliable but could hurt you on longer courses. I'd say give tour clubs a chance, but if you are absolutely not having any fun after a while with them then you can still enjoy the game with player clubs. |
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Post by iorwerth on Apr 20, 2018 15:06:00 GMT -5
Thank you for all the replies. It seems to me that in the long run I need to be using tour clubs, so the sooner I get to grips with them the better. Went out on the driving range with them for about half an hour, and found them fine. In fact, I didn't find the tempo that much different from players, if at all to be honest. The big difference seems to be that when you do get it wrong the effects are exaggerated in comparison to player clubs. It will be interesting to see whether the trouble that gets me into to, and the strokes I will lose because of it, are outweighed by the increased scoring when it is is all on song. Either way, seems that mastering tour clubs is next on my agenda |
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 20, 2018 15:32:13 GMT -5
Thank you for all the replies. It seems to me that in the long run I need to be using tour clubs, so the sooner I get to grips with them the better. Went out on the driving range with them for about half an hour, and found them fine. In fact, I didn't find the tempo that much different from players, if at all to be honest. The big difference seems to be that when you do get it wrong the effects are exaggerated in comparison to player clubs. It will be interesting to see whether the trouble that gets me into to, and the strokes I will lose because of it, are outweighed by the increased scoring when it is is all on song. Either way, seems that mastering tour clubs is next on my agenda Your first statement about "the sooner the better," fully agree. Additionally, I would encourage you to go play casual rounds with the clubset rather than just going to the range. I'm a big believer that sitting on the range for extended periods of time doesn't necessarily result in an equal amount of improvement...at best. So throw the tour clubs in, maybe have a short range session, but then just go play a few rounds on a course you like and have played before, and see what happens. Good luck! |
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Post by iorwerth on Apr 20, 2018 17:21:22 GMT -5
I played a couple of rounds with the tour clubs and they were fine! I think that the accuracy I gained with the player clubs transferred easily to the tour clubs in terms of tempo and staying in the cone, which is cool. Out of interest, is the roll on tour clubs greater than player clubs? I worked out the roll on player clubs (hitting all those balls played a huge part in my swing accuracy improvement), but do I need to do it all again for the tour clubs? I am hoping the roll on them is the same, just the carry distance changes, so I don't have to go through that process all over again. |
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Post by Royce on Apr 20, 2018 19:08:54 GMT -5
Tour clubs all the way, the advantage is large when you can master the longer clubs, but risk for a “blow up” is greater. I’d work on mastering the short game and putting before moving up to Tour if they are a struggle.
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Apr 21, 2018 4:16:39 GMT -5
I played a couple of rounds with the tour clubs and they were fine! I think that the accuracy I gained with the player clubs transferred easily to the tour clubs in terms of tempo and staying in the cone, which is cool. Out of interest, is the roll on tour clubs greater than player clubs? I worked out the roll on player clubs (hitting all those balls played a huge part in my swing accuracy improvement), but do I need to do it all again for the tour clubs? I am hoping the roll on them is the same, just the carry distance changes, so I don't have to go through that process all over again. Tour clubs have more spin so less roll out , however that is more fine details I’d work on getting a good feel and hitting straight first before worrying about rollout. |
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Post by iorwerth on Apr 22, 2018 4:48:15 GMT -5
I spoke to soon about my ability with these tour clubs! I was obviously having a purple patch when I first moved over to them, as now I am finding that the tour clubs are in charge, not me - if they want to hit the ball into water, they will do so regardless of any desires I might have to the contrary. I feel like I am trying to tame a wild horse! I feel there are going to be a lot of steps backwards before any progress is made. I might chicken out of using them in the tour for the moment, and just use them for casual rounds until I get the hang of them. I believe I just got an exemption thing to CC-D, and might be sensible to try and take advantage of it, rather than going round the course like a keystone cop golfer. |
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Post by TreeWood on Apr 22, 2018 6:01:41 GMT -5
With Tour clubs, it seems the likelihood of pulling a shot into the drink increases exponentially. Sometimes, while you’re getting a handle on them, it’s best to increase your risk mitigation off the tee when there’s a water hazard by taking less club, if feasible.
Whatever club-type you play, ya gotta feel confident. But I will say that the overall benefit of Tour clubs is worth it, even if you have to step off the gas at times.
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Post by grantcrichter on Apr 22, 2018 6:11:20 GMT -5
After reaching the top (pga) tour in tgc1, I started tgc2 with tour clubs and couldn’t hit them straight at all. Was ready to just quit the game. Decided to eat some humble pie and use player clubs. Seemed to have worked out fine. Made it to World Tour, so they haven’t been holding me back. Forced to use tour clubs on world, got a double strike but then cleared the strikes the next week. It’s just not as fun for me with tour clubs. No consistency. Great shots here and there offset by huge misses.
Exemptions can be had with player clubs
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Post by iorwerth on Apr 22, 2018 7:20:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. It is good to know that player clubs are sufficient to get you up to near the top. With player clubs I feel that I am in control, and that mistakes are from me being careless or not good enough, whereas with tour clubs at the moment it feels that the line between good and bad is more random, or at least not so much in my control (even though it obviously is!). Having said that, I like the challenge of getting to grips with them, so am a bit torn at the moment. My current plan, which is as changeable as the wind, is to use player clubs on the tour and then tour clubs on casual rounds, in the hope that over time I will get comfortable enough with the tour clubs to start using them on the tour. Only caveat to that will be if I start dipping with the player clubs due to the continual changing of club types between rounds. Basically, I am taking it as it comes and seeing what happens |
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