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Post by yaters on Oct 15, 2017 10:42:11 GMT -5
Smurf is banned no idea why or for how long so he's exponentially pissed off Fun times I think he was banned as a preemptive strike for this thread.  |
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Post by Airik3333 on Oct 15, 2017 10:46:17 GMT -5
The API does not prove what clubs are being used...
They can not police it....
They don't have the time and probably don't want to watch videos of everyone and make sure the players are all using Tour Clubs...
Most people are not using ghost balls in this game so the players themselves can not police it..
If you did think someone was using players clubs, You would have to watch many-many shots from one player to prove that he is using Players Clubs and even then it would not be 100 percent proof..
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Post by KenTremendous on Oct 15, 2017 10:47:40 GMT -5
If you did think someone was using players clubs, You would have to watch many-many shots from one player to prove that he is using Players Clubs and even then it would not be 100 percent proof.. Youd only have to watch one replay - see what club is being used and see the carry yardage in the top right hand corner - it then becomes immediately obvious what set is being played with. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 10:49:10 GMT -5
Be a very good putter and by and large, you will move up and/or finish well. That does get lost just a bit in these arguments. Oh, and putting very well in practice rounds just pisses me off as that means I will likely putt like crap when it counts.  |
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Post by Airik3333 on Oct 15, 2017 10:50:12 GMT -5
Damn, all this guy does is b%& about everything.. You say as you b%& about me b%&ing. Never mind you give out about every course Must be happy you can use the clubs I use Tour Clubs.. Have not touched Players Clubs in months.. But yeah, I might give them a try.. So what... They gave you the reasons for allowing all clubs.. You just fail to comprehend those reasons and start your winefest... |
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 15, 2017 10:55:52 GMT -5
Time to turn off the notifications and play some golf 🏌️ It’s a real shame that S4 has started off like this.
Anyhow. See you all on the course
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Oct 15, 2017 10:59:35 GMT -5
You say as you b%& about me b%&ing. Never mind you give out about every course Must be happy you can use the clubs I use Tour Clubs.. Have not touched Players Clubs in months.. But yeah, I might give them a try.. So what... They gave you the reasons for allowing all clubs.. You just fail to comprehend those reasons and start your winefest... The reason is they can't manage it but if they could they would of inforced tour clubs. So they made the wrong decision so go swing your clubs and get over yourself |
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Post by North47 on Oct 15, 2017 10:59:48 GMT -5
If you want to use player clubs drop down to the web. If you want to compete and play with the top guys on the top tour people need to take the time to learn how to use tour clubs and join the big boys. Its not like they werent giving guys an option to drop down a tour and use whatever clubs they want. Top tours should be the best guys using the hardest settings. I'm not going to get into any arguments. That's your opinion and I already posted mine. You mean I can drop down to Web?!! That's very strange because, I requested to drop back down to the Web knowing that...even though I can use the tour clubs....my consistency just isn't good enough lately to use them being mandatory (at the time) on the European tour. I was told I couldn't go back down in case I was to then basically dominate the Web which would piss off the Web players trying to move up. The result? 3 consecutive missed cuts...and badly missed at that!! So I had the option, but it wasn't granted and therefore had to be miserable playing my rounds when I play the game for fun....you know? Because that is the idea of games...to have fun, not be miserable. |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Oct 15, 2017 11:23:29 GMT -5
If you did think someone was using players clubs, You would have to watch many-many shots from one player to prove that he is using Players Clubs and even then it would not be 100 percent proof.. Youd only have to watch one replay - see what club is being used and see the carry yardage in the top right hand corner - it then becomes immediately obvious what set is being played with. I can't speak for replays of other's shots because I don't watch them, but I know that when playing against a ghost it doesn't show you what club your opponent is using, it just shows whatever the last club you used was. So unless people really are teeing off with a putter or playing a short approach with driver that doesn't work. However it would be pretty clear over the course of a round what set someone is using, and if the rule was Tour only I think the vast majority would abide by that. It would be an honour system similar to not chipping on the green, and the odd person who flouted the rule would be outed. I'm still very hopeful that this is a lot of fuss over nothing, the first few weeks will tell us that, and I'm not entirely convinced old Burton isn't on a wind up (great job if so!). But I've got to say that if it does turn out that a bunch of players trundling around with Players clubs hitting nothing but p/p straight are beating me on the leaderboard every week then my interest in investing my time on the tours is going to disappear. The Tour swing is the main thing that elevates this game above TGC1, it's so tough to play a whole round without getting in to trouble somewhere, and also very rewarding to hit a great shot. I have no interest whatsoever in dumbing it down just so I can compete. |
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Post by KenTremendous on Oct 15, 2017 11:27:17 GMT -5
Replays do (im pretty sure) show the club being used. Failing that you can put a ghost in, turn turn mode on and then it also shows.
As you say, outing the rule flouters is pretty easy.
Agree with everything else you say, the more changes i see made, the more we may as well be playing TGC 1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:29:59 GMT -5
I use Tour Clubs, so I have no dog in this fight. Also, I'm a player who worked my way up from CC-D to Web on TGC1, then forced myself to work through the Tour Clubs on TGC2 to work my way up to PGA, and now find myself "demoted" to Euro. Despite that, I'm not bitter about the rule and I just want to play golf, however, I have two observations from reading this thread:
1) there was a HUGE argument about everybody being forced to use Tour Clubs on the pro tours before we started TGC2 competition, but then we played five weeks that way and everybody seemed to settle in. Now the decision is that people can use whatever clubs they want, and people are losing their minds. So which is it?! LOL
2) the fact that a top player quit this game because he couldn't use Tour Clubs and can now shoot -57 with Player Clubs pretty much defeats any argument that lower clubs can't compete.
No matter what the decision, it seems the leaderboards will be filled with winners at sub 50 under, which most of us will never get to, so why bother being so upset about it?
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Post by Giraffe72 on Oct 15, 2017 11:33:12 GMT -5
Replays do (im pretty sure) show the club being used. Failing that you can put a ghost in, turn turn mode on and then it also shows. As you say, outing the rule flouters is pretty easy. Agree with everything else you say, the more changes i see made, the more we may as well be playing TGC 1. No, I only ever play ghosts turn based, it doesn't show you the club they are using (which is a good thing!). Like I said, can't speak for replays. I'll have a look tomorrow morning when I play my first round |
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Post by mrohde4 on Oct 15, 2017 11:42:48 GMT -5
I use Tour Clubs, so I have no dog in this fight. Also, I'm a player who worked my way up from CC-D to Web on TGC1, then forced myself to work through the Tour Clubs on TGC2 to work my way up to PGA, and now find myself "demoted" to Euro. Despite that, I'm not bitter about the rule and I just want to play golf, however, I have two observations from reading this thread: 1) there was a HUGE argument about everybody being forced to use Tour Clubs on the pro tours before we started TGC2 competition, but then we played five weeks that way and everybody seemed to settle in. Now the decision is that people can use whatever clubs they want, and people are losing their minds. So which is it?! LOL 2) the fact that a top player quit this game because he couldn't use Tour Clubs and can now shoot -57 with Player Clubs pretty much defeats any argument that lower clubs can't compete. No matter what the decision, it seems the leaderboards will be filled with winners at sub 50 under, which most of us will never get to, so why bother being so upset about it? Great points here. Here come the 8100+ yard courses. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:43:48 GMT -5
This does bring up another very interesting scenario. I don't know who here plays the stock market or FOREX but what may very well happen is you'll see more and more players switching over if Tim has indeed started a trend here. If he can prove that you can win with Player Clubs when at the highest level of the game, more players may actually adopt Player Clubs if they see they are losing using Tour Clubs by just a few strokes because of maybe one or two bad holes. As the leader boards begin to fill with Player Clubs in the top 10, you may very well see either a mass exodus from Tour Clubs or a lot of people quitting this game or both.
Ultimately, as one person said, we could all end up playing a prettier version of TGC 1. That's going to depend on what percentage of players value winning over having a more "rewarding" playing experience.
If nothing else, these next few weeks are going to be one hell of a thrill ride watching those leader boards. I predict that percentage of people playing Player Clubs is going to increase significantly over time IF what happens this week clearly shows that in the hands of a top player, Player Clubs are just as good, if not better, than Tour Clubs.
Fun times ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 11:48:00 GMT -5
I use Tour Clubs, so I have no dog in this fight. Also, I'm a player who worked my way up from CC-D to Web on TGC1, then forced myself to work through the Tour Clubs on TGC2 to work my way up to PGA, and now find myself "demoted" to Euro. Despite that, I'm not bitter about the rule and I just want to play golf, however, I have two observations from reading this thread: 1) there was a HUGE argument about everybody being forced to use Tour Clubs on the pro tours before we started TGC2 competition, but then we played five weeks that way and everybody seemed to settle in. Now the decision is that people can use whatever clubs they want, and people are losing their minds. So which is it?! LOL 2) the fact that a top player quit this game because he couldn't use Tour Clubs and can now shoot -57 with Player Clubs pretty much defeats any argument that lower clubs can't compete. No matter what the decision, it seems the leaderboards will be filled with winners at sub 50 under, which most of us will never get to, so why bother being so upset about it? Great points here. Here come the 8100+ yard courses. And that's where the other side fights back to keep order, the designers making the courses longer. But not just longer Lots of split fairways where the player club player has to club down to a 5 wood because of the river in the middle of the fairway and ends up with a 250 yard drive off the tee where the Tour Club player can clear that river and ends up with a 300 yard drive or better. On par 5s, he's going to reach the green 1 shot sooner all the time. 3 par 5s a round and he's got a good 3 shot advantage right there. Yes, definitely fun times ahead. |
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