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Post by mrooola on Oct 15, 2017 11:54:03 GMT -5
The API does not prove what clubs are being used... They can not police it.... They don't have the time and probably don't want to watch videos of everyone and make sure the players are all using Tour Clubs... Most people are not using ghost balls in this game so the players themselves can not police it.. If you did think someone was using players clubs, You would have to watch many-many shots from one player to prove that he is using Players Clubs and even then it would not be 100 percent proof.. API doesn't tell if someone chips on the green and apparently it can't be policed. Should we therefore abandon the rule? World Tour still have the tour club rule in place. API can't tell what club sets are used, yet contrary to PGA they're to police themselves? This at the same time as playing together with the PGA where player clubs are within the rules... Silly me can't understand any of this |
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Post by North47 on Oct 15, 2017 12:23:58 GMT -5
Great points here. Here come the 8100+ yard courses. And that's where the other side fights back to keep order, the designers making the courses longer. But not just longer Lots of split fairways where the player club player has to club down to a 5 wood because of the river in the middle of the fairway and ends up with a 250 yard drive off the tee where the Tour Club player can clear that river and ends up with a 300 yard drive or better. On par 5s, he's going to reach the green 1 shot sooner all the time. 3 par 5s a round and he's got a good 3 shot advantage right there. Yes, definitely fun times ahead. That's exactly my point from earlier in this thread. Player clubs are definitely not going to give a person an advantage over someone using tour clubs on longer courses. Take this first event on the European tour. I used the player clubs and a number of holes, even after a good drive off the tee still left me with a 200+ yard approach. These were par 4's and some of the pins weren't exactly attackable from that distance. I think there was only 1 par 5 that was just reachable in 2, so there's another disadvantage of player over tour. I've played 3 rounds so far and where am I currently?!!! **SPOILER ALERT** sitting at -11!!! Granted I did miss a lot of putts I should have made no problem, and some bad swings. But definitely, in regards to course length...and that's courses which are 7300-7500yds from the back tees already in the game...player clubs are at a disadvantage. It's not going to be impossible for someone using player clubs to win one or more events, but it will be more of a challenge depending on the course. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 12:27:21 GMT -5
Top decision đđđ
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 15, 2017 12:46:10 GMT -5
Top decision đđđ Hahhhhha... I was waiting for it but was astonished it took so long  |
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Post by smytty66 on Oct 15, 2017 12:49:11 GMT -5
I've never used anything but Tour clubs and never will. I want a challenge and the most "realistic" experience possible. If I went out and shot 58 with a setting other than the toughest, it wouldn't feel satisfying. That's me. I want to be stretched and challenged -- the most interesting aspect of this reset is that I worked up to No. 94 WGR before falling back to 101. I made just shy of 90 percent cuts on PGA last season, usually finishing between 35 and 65. I never minded being in the bottom half of the tour. It all means that I'm just short of the new World Tour. I have something out there to make me work to get to the top level. It's a nice incentive.
Would I prefer we all play on the same setting? Yes. Will I let it ruin my experience? No. Do the guys who run TGC Tours have an impossible, thankless job? Yes. They made the call and I'll roll with it. And I'll thank them again for providing the best video game experience I've ever enjoyed, and I've been a gamer since the mid-1970s.
Anyone using club sets other than Tour have a limited future. That wouldn't satisfy me, but if it does you, good luck and happy hitting.
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Post by mrohde4 on Oct 15, 2017 12:50:27 GMT -5
Dont know the answer to this, but whatâs stopping someone from switching modes depending on the hole? Can you quit and resume after changing the settings?
Short par 4s, long par 5s and 4s, long par 3s: Tour
Medium par 4s, short-medium par 5s, shorter par 3s: Player
Also, didnât the admins have the API that told them club type? Thought I read that somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 12:51:25 GMT -5
Dont know the answer to this, but whatâs stopping someone from switching modes depending on the hole? Can you quit and resume after changing the settings? Short par 4s, long par 5s and 4s, long par 3s: Tour Medium par 4s, short-medium par 5s, shorter par 3s: Player Also, didnât the admins have the API that told them club type? Thought I read that somewhere. You can't change clubs after tee off. Software won't let you. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Oct 15, 2017 13:21:41 GMT -5
Dont know the answer to this, but whatâs stopping someone from switching modes depending on the hole? Can you quit and resume after changing the settings? Short par 4s, long par 5s and 4s, long par 3s: Tour Medium par 4s, short-medium par 5s, shorter par 3s: Player Also, didnât the admins have the API that told them club type? Thought I read that somewhere. You can't change clubs after tee off. Software won't let you. I read earlier that you can change between tournament rounds though.. |
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Post by frank70 on Oct 15, 2017 13:31:38 GMT -5
You can't monitor it?
Golf is a game of honour!
Make tour clubs mandatory for the pro tours!! Only chance to have a level playing field!
If anybody is caught using a disallowed clubset.......
Automatic demotion to CC-Z, or ban for the whole season, or lifetime ban!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 13:33:24 GMT -5
You can't change clubs after tee off. Software won't let you. I read earlier that you can change between tournament rounds though.. Yeah sure, but that doesn't help you much if you've got a course where 9 holes you're better off using Tour Clubs and 9 holes you're better off using Player Clubs. You're ultimately going to have to pick your poison for that whole round. And yes, the smart players will practice the courses in advance, chart each hole, determine which ones can use Player clubs and then, depending on the percentage, make their decision on what club to play. But very few people are going to be changing clubs in between rounds unless they made a major miscalculation in their previous round and realized they chose the wrong club for them. In fact, I think this adds a bit of strategy to the whole thing that's missing with mandated clubs. The designers are going to have a major impact on this season depending on how many new courses are made. Because right now, most of the courses out there are designed for 265 yard carry off the tee. So Player Clubs will work just fine on most courses. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 13:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by mrohde4 on Oct 15, 2017 13:54:40 GMT -5
âAnd yes, the smart players will practice the courses in advance, chart each hole, determine which ones can use Player clubs and then, depending on the percentage, make their decision on what club to play.â
Very sad that this is the new reality.
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 15, 2017 13:59:44 GMT -5
I read earlier that you can change between tournament rounds though.. Yeah sure, but that doesn't help you much if you've got a course where 9 holes you're better off using Tour Clubs and 9 holes you're better off using Player Clubs. You're ultimately going to have to pick your poison for that whole round. And yes, the smart players will practice the courses in advance, chart each hole, determine which ones can use Player clubs and then, depending on the percentage, make their decision on what club to play. But very few people are going to be changing clubs in between rounds unless they made a major miscalculation in their previous round and realized they chose the wrong club for them. In fact, I think this adds a bit of strategy to the whole thing that's missing with mandated clubs. The designers are going to have a major impact on this season depending on how many new courses are made. Because right now, most of the courses out there are designed for 265 yard carry off the tee. So Player Clubs will work just fine on most courses. Iâll just grip it and rip it as far as is safely possible and draw / cut it as I see fit. Thinking about changing clubs mid round?? Club set strategy? Christ on a bike. I barely have time to get the rounds played as it is, never mind pissing about like that. I have no doubt some bell end would do it if it was allowed though. Hell, people talk about calculations for loft and wind... I honestly donât know what youâre talking about (as in the formulae - I get the idea) I just use real life experience and âskeg of eyeâ. Seems to do me ok :/ |
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Post by fadgewacker on Oct 15, 2017 14:01:11 GMT -5
âAnd yes, the smart players will practice the courses in advance, chart each hole, determine which ones can use Player clubs and then, depending on the percentage, make their decision on what club to play.â Very sad that this is the new reality. Do people actually do this? A quick practice round, fair enough, but charts? Hell. |
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Post by rhino4life on Oct 15, 2017 14:10:22 GMT -5
âAnd yes, the smart players will practice the courses in advance, chart each hole, determine which ones can use Player clubs and then, depending on the percentage, make their decision on what club to play.â Very sad that this is the new reality. Do people actually do this? A quick practice round, fair enough, but charts? Hell. Good lord.... I might consider this if i wasnt married, had kids, worked, had a life, or lived in moms basement. On second thought...no i wouldnt. But this just reminded me that i miss the practice setups which would noe require someone to sacrifice a society to setup. I didnt always play every round but it was a nice warm up and i appreciated those who did it in TGC1. Thanks HB |
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