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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 19:58:18 GMT -5
The API sweeps will eliminate a lot of those scores in the 50's. It's still a game about dialling in a distance then executing, but execution isn't as easy as it's seeming right now while everyone (it seems a lot) is still using their dodgy old worn out or 3rd party controllers, or straight edge mice.
I suspect the admins had to have a rethink once they saw how many people (and who) fell outside of their initial boundaries, until we see what they come up with who knows, maybe the legit leaders are at -18 for the tourney??
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 28, 2017 7:38:37 GMT -5
Scores will always be low by the best players doesn't matter what we do. I resignated myself to that fact.
Just give up and let it go or we'll end up with 8000y courses, 250y par 3s on an Island, 700y par 5s , canucked pins on every hole and fairways like a snakes back.
In an ideal world we want to see scores in the mid 60s but honestly if the elite smash courses for 50s i don't care they play 3-6 hours a day let them at it.
Also i believe there could be a tour redesign coming up so that could sort some things.
Finally i think we will see alot of Dqs in the early weeks.
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Post by Macs Power on Aug 28, 2017 9:08:19 GMT -5
I blame course designers.  |
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Aug 28, 2017 13:04:48 GMT -5
I blame course designers. I blame the golfers |
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Post by scarpacci on Aug 28, 2017 14:38:59 GMT -5
I blame HB
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 15:06:28 GMT -5
HB caused all the problems. They have caused my rage to increase. Yay.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 28, 2017 15:16:47 GMT -5
Yeah, range is wonky. It is much wider than it should be (we aren't talking miles away from the hole here), but if you have the announcer guy on, he will occassionally tell you a more exact distance. I never fully understand this argument (higher scores) as I am competing against others on my tour, not vs. par. I also don't understand the "scores should be lower" but then I see 25-40 people playing True Sim events per week. True Sim has low participation because IMO playing without the green grids is more unrealistic than anything else. People can tell me all they want about how they read the greens and I have no doubt they believe they can. The reality is you're making educated guesses based on a number of factors. But that's another story for another day. Yes, I realize I just invited a wave of backlash from the TST crowd, but I'm not criticizing the format, just trying to explain why thousands of people aren't flocking into the events. True Sim participation is low because most people like it being easy and don't like a challenge. That's the truth not many people would admit. Putting is an educated guess in real life btw. That's why pros miss 50% of the time from inside 8 feet. The whole point of this place is that you find your level. People who aren't capable of shooting 55 won't be playing against people who shoot 55. |
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Post by mrohde4 on Sept 1, 2017 0:22:40 GMT -5
TST participation is also low because of the time commitment and no scout cam. If I'm 150 yards in the fairway, don't make me shuffle through the entire bag for the 9-iron, just hand it to me. Also, reading a no-grid green is sooooo much easier with scout cam on. You can get low and spin around the hole. Making anything beyond ten feet is still an accomplishment, whereas with the grid it's almost automatic.
My ideal tour: All Aids ON (maybe turn the wind Off) but Grid OFF.
When playing with all aids on, I'll focus on the grid for the proper landing spot AND NOTHING ELSE. Take the grid off and now the designer's work get showcased. The green complexes and landscapes really pop. The player truly gets a view of the designer's work, plus the freedom allows for an understanding of the slopes and contours. It's peaceful. It's golf. IRL from 100 yards a player can get a better understanding than what's offered with NO scout cam. Maybe a binocular feature is in the works for TGC3.
The OP is onto something with proposing a compromise in aids, just not sure anyone will ever all agree unless it's all or nothing.
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Post by stax on Sept 1, 2017 8:46:38 GMT -5
For people saying wind off... Are you suggesting having the event played with 0 wind, or no wind indicator? Either way the idea is absolutely awful, but I want to know which brand of awful.
This game is 2 months old. Give course designers time to evolve and adapt to the quality of the players. They obviously need to add distance to the courses. But we don't need to take away the green grid and all that just because players that are good at a golf video game can drop Arcade-level scores on easy courses. Let the course design evolve, see what that does to scores, and if you think everything is too easy then go play the True Sim Tour. That's what it's there for.
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Post by ErixonStone on Sept 1, 2017 12:34:00 GMT -5
For people saying wind off... Are you suggesting having the event played with 0 wind, or no wind indicator? Either way the idea is absolutely awful, but I want to know which brand of awful. This game is 2 months old. Give course designers time to evolve and adapt to the quality of the players. They obviously need to add distance to the courses. But we don't need to take away the green grid and all that just because players that are good at a golf video game can drop Arcade-level scores on easy courses. Let the course design evolve, see what that does to scores, and if you think everything is too easy then go play the True Sim Tour. That's what it's there for. When we say "wind off" we mean that the wind meter does not display a mumerical value. When the wind meter is off, the wind is still represented 2 ways - there is still an arrow to indicate direction, and the circle fills up with white when there is more wind. It gives you a good way to know there's a "moderate breeze from right to left and a little bit in my face" without knowing the wind speed is exactly 9 MPH. Course design can only go so far to prevent low scores. Going past a certain point makes the game not fun for most players. With aids on, there's really no defense, as players have more information than they would in real life and have a much more repeatable swing. I would like to see something like a "Periscope Cam" where you are able to see over hills, but the focus is not set to the landing point and you cannot zoom in. |
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Post by lessangster on Sept 1, 2017 16:58:56 GMT -5
How about a view that just lifts up behind your golfer so you can see down the fairway over any bumps maybe lifting up 30 feet or so behind your golfer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 22:34:06 GMT -5
How about a view that just lifts up behind your golfer so you can see down the fairway over any bumps maybe lifting up 30 feet or so behind your golfer. It's already there if you switch to the putter. |
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Post by andybarrell on Sept 2, 2017 1:19:00 GMT -5
the only way to even up the game is to make it a handicap tour....not the in game HB handicap system but a proper Congu/USGA system...without this the best will always be better than the rest and the scores will always be in the 50's
Its never gonna happen so we just go with what we got, and people will either play or they wont...i am leaning towards the 2nd option personally
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Post by andybarrell on Sept 2, 2017 1:20:13 GMT -5
The API sweeps will eliminate a lot of those scores in the 50's. It's still a game about dialling in a distance then executing, but execution isn't as easy as it's seeming right now while everyone (it seems a lot) is still using their dodgy old worn out or 3rd party controllers, or straight edge mice. I suspect the admins had to have a rethink once they saw how many people (and who) fell outside of their initial boundaries, until we see what they come up with who knows, maybe the legit leaders are at -18 for the tourney?? did not remove as many as expected and deffo a few slipped by |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 1:41:45 GMT -5
Agreed. Maybe 'our mate' played legit for a change? I just dont see why he does it at all, he can obviously play a bit. Maybe winning fake bucks in society rounds floats his boat???
Cheater or not, he's a tool.
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