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Post by paulus on Jul 24, 2019 8:24:07 GMT -5
Why do you use FACTS when discussing anything with repubs? FACT: Congress sets the budget. The President submits the budget request. Congress can choose to block / horse trade a bit - but they cannot submit a different spending plan of their own. The responsibility for the overall budget trajectory firmly lies with the administration over-seeing it. |
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Post by tuxtshirt on Jul 24, 2019 8:59:12 GMT -5
FACT: Congress sets the budget. The President submits the budget request. Congress can choose to block / horse trade a bit - but they cannot submit a different spending plan of their own. The responsibility for the overall budget trajectory firmly lies with the administration over-seeing it. Responsibility lies with all parties involved. The president cannot put into effect a budget without approval from Congress. In my opinion, there are failures on both sides politically. I think we can all agree that a balanced budget is a good thing. |
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Post by cliffs on Jul 24, 2019 9:02:28 GMT -5
But they are not balancing the budget.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 24, 2019 9:03:23 GMT -5
The President submits the budget request. Congress can choose to block / horse trade a bit - but they cannot submit a different spending plan of their own. The responsibility for the overall budget trajectory firmly lies with the administration over-seeing it. Responsibility lies with all parties involved. The president cannot put into effect a budget without approval from Congress. In my opinion, there are failures on both sides politically. I think we can all agree that a balanced budget is a good thing. That's a LONG way from "the Congress sets the budget..." |
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Post by cliffs on Jul 24, 2019 9:24:32 GMT -5
There are five key steps in the federal budget process: The President submits a budget request to Congress The House and Senate pass budget resolutions House and Senate Appropriations subcommittees "markup" appropriations bills The House and Senate vote on appropriations bills and reconcile differences The President signs each appropriations bill and the budget becomes law www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/federal-budget-process/As to a presidents role: To create his (or her) request, the President and the Office of Management and Budget solicit and accept budget requests from federal agencies, outlining what programs need more funding, what could be cut, and what new priorities each agency would like to fund. The president's budget request is just a proposal. Congress then passes its own appropriations bills; only after the president signs these bills (in step five) does the country have a budget for the new fiscal year. |
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Post by tuxtshirt on Jul 24, 2019 9:28:47 GMT -5
Responsibility lies with all parties involved. The president cannot put into effect a budget without approval from Congress. In my opinion, there are failures on both sides politically. I think we can all agree that a balanced budget is a good thing. That's a LONG way from "the Congress sets the budget..." FACT: President submits budget request/Congress reviews,CBO analyzes/House and Senate submit budget resolution(of which can be independent from the President’s/House and Senate pass budget resolution/President either signs or vetos My point is, there are many players and Congress ultimately creates the budget. Sure, all Presidents are responsible, however that chart is misleading for obvious reasons. A Congressional majority chart should accompany it if we’re being intellectually honest here. To suggest that one political party is solely responsible simply isn’t fact. |
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Post by paulus on Jul 24, 2019 10:07:23 GMT -5
Trump's administration passed a tax bill which saw a 20% drop in corporate revenue - cost ~$1.5 trillion - most of it will effectively make its way to the deficit.
I think it' reasonable to say the controlling administration have to take the largest responsibility - they have the reigns.
And certainly Trump himself thinks the President should shoulder most of the responsibility for it...
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 24, 2019 10:10:20 GMT -5
That's a LONG way from "the Congress sets the budget..." FACT: President submits budget request/Congress reviews,CBO analyzes/House and Senate submit budget resolution(of which can be independent from the President’s/House and Senate pass budget resolution/President either signs or vetos My point is, there are many players and Congress ultimately creates the budget. Sure, all Presidents are responsible, however that chart is misleading for obvious reasons. A Congressional majority chart should accompany it if we’re being intellectually honest here. To suggest that one political party is solely responsible simply isn’t fact. I think your position, certainly the original point about "setting" the budget, is way more misleading. you have a point in there somewhere, but there are vast, and consistent, differences in budgets between democrat and republican parties and individual leaders... |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 24, 2019 10:23:07 GMT -5
Mr Johnson openly aping Trump in his speech just now - "if you say anything bad about me or what I'm trying to do - that means you are talking the country down"
No pal, it's because I love my country I think we can do a hell of lot better than you.
And by about 7PM we'll have the most right wing cabinet since the 70's. Patel, Raab, McVey  |
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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 24, 2019 19:37:27 GMT -5
A nice little summary. Watched about 3 hours of it, what an absolute disgrace the Republican congresspeople showed themselves to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 21:05:18 GMT -5
Who watches 3 hours.
Lmao so what did we learn?
Priceless.
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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 24, 2019 22:34:50 GMT -5
I did Paul, unlike you I like to see the facts rather than relying on Trumps twitter feed or Faux news.
Still buddying up with that mate of yours Royce are you? I’m sure I’m not the only one in here that has lost all respect for you.
Kudos 👌🏻
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Post by reebdoog on Jul 24, 2019 22:35:13 GMT -5
Who watches 3 hours. Lmao so what did we learn? Priceless. Nothing new. But really...that's kind of the point. No matter how many times folks seem to hear/read/see it...it's still not sinking in. I'm kinda baffled. I read the whole report the day it came out, then listened to it...and I'm just at a loss how there is any confusion at this point. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 23:30:23 GMT -5
I did Paul, unlike you I like to see the facts rather than relying on Trumps twitter feed or Faux news. Still buddying up with that mate of yours Royce are you? I’m sure I’m not the only one in here that has lost all respect for you. Kudos 👌🏻 Again what did we learn? What has changed? Respect. Seriously? Do you think I care what a bunch of liberals half or more from Europe think about me? What a joke. Google I don't give a @!$#. He's gonna win. And for the idk how many times I don't like Trump but I disagree with some of your bs unicorn policies and I get put in a box. Ironically o would prefer being in a box. I just want to be left alone. I think government is no better than the mafia. It's the same bs but legal. Whatever I'm going to stare at my litecoin for a while. Hoping to short it. |
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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 25, 2019 0:35:42 GMT -5
But you do care, or you wouldn’t respond.
Pesky facts...
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