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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 15:14:25 GMT -5
I know it's been said many times already, but it's a tragedy that HB chose platform specific societies for TGC2 - nothing builds community faster than segregating people by console! 😣
Today, for the second time since buying TGC2, one of the societies I've invested time into on XB1 is shutting down because of better performance on the PC side. So basically, the console folks get screwed because more people play it on PC. I can't blame the society organizer because it's a lot of work to compile results from all three places, but they wouldn't have to if it was set up better. Great way to build community HB!
I think I'll be starting my own XB1 society soon with companion website. I know that doesn't solve the cross platform problem, but then at least I won't invest time into a society that just ends on me. Hopefully I can provide a great tournament schedule for folks interested in playing great courses by renowned designers.
HB really screwed this up IMO. The community events were the best part of TGC1 outside of Tour competition with TGCT. Just crazy that they ruined it.
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Post by scarpacci on Aug 14, 2017 16:13:40 GMT -5
I hear you. Sorry I had to shut mine down on consoles but if you need any help setting things up on your end let me know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 16:56:27 GMT -5
I hear you. Sorry I had to shut mine down on consoles but if you need any help setting things up on your end let me know. I'm not bitter at you though, your society is incredible, so I'm sad about losing it but I totally understand. HB just screwed this up. That's all there is to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:08:03 GMT -5
Oh great, and now I'm seeing I can't run two societies at once? I already have a private society I created for a group of friends to just have a local competition, but I don't see the option to create another society (and I'm only in 3). Geez, this just gets better by the hour.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 14, 2017 17:30:48 GMT -5
hmmmm - seems silly to get so upset about something that is not even "playing" the game. I'm a PS4 player so don't really understand what the issues is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:35:17 GMT -5
I know it's been said many times already, but it's a tragedy that HB chose platform specific societies for TGC2 - nothing builds community faster than segregating people by console! 😣 Today, for the second time since buying TGC2, one of the societies I've invested time into on XB1 is shutting down because of better performance on the PC side. So basically, the console folks get screwed because more people play it on PC. I can't blame the society organizer because it's a lot of work to compile results from all three places, but they wouldn't have to if it was set up better. Great way to build community HB! I think I'll be starting my own XB1 society soon with companion website. I know that doesn't solve the cross platform problem, but then at least I won't invest time into a society that just ends on me. Hopefully I can provide a great tournament schedule for folks interested in playing great courses by renowned designers. HB really screwed this up IMO. The community events were the best part of TGC1 outside of Tour competition with TGCT. Just crazy that they ruined it. Eric, I couldn't agree with you more on this -- they surely screwed the pooch with this whole 'societies' debacle!!
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Post by paulus on Aug 14, 2017 18:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by scarpacci on Aug 14, 2017 19:08:45 GMT -5
TGCT is going to have it own problems once people realize the wind is going to be vastly different on each platform. Surprised nobody is making a stink about it tbh. Are people too distracted hunting down the seven cheaters or do people think the upcoming wind fix will magically be cross platform? Changing the tournament structure and locking them into societies was the worst thing that could happen for TGCT.
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Post by edi_vedder on Aug 14, 2017 19:26:40 GMT -5
HB really screwed this up IMO. The community events were the best part of TGC1 outside of Tour competition with TGCT. Just crazy that they ruined it. I think I've already stated it more than once how much I hate the Society thing in TGC2. So I couldn't agree more. I guess if there wasn't TGCTours, I probably wouldn't even play the game anymore just because of that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 21:11:30 GMT -5
hmmmm - seems silly to get so upset about something that is not even "playing" the game. I'm a PS4 player so don't really understand what the issues is. What do you mean this isn't about "playing" the game? For me, this would be any other golf game if not for TGCT and the community. My enjoyment "playing" this game definitely had a ton to do with community events (the RRCC for example, which was phenomenal, and now ceases to exist due to the way the game is set up). I don't think I'm alone in being upset about this.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 15, 2017 7:35:26 GMT -5
Societies as a whole are a horrible idea that needs to go away anyway. The poor pay for the rich, the bad players pay for the good players knowing they will never ever even come close to winning.
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Post by mde8965 on Aug 15, 2017 7:58:18 GMT -5
I would agree the whole societies thing is a big mess. But where I am at right now is...if you cannot beat them join them. I, like many, are sick to death of the whole cheating/club sets/controllers/wind, etc. drama that is going on with the proper TGCT tiers. It has just sucked all the fun out of it for me. I just cannot imagine ever going back to practicing my PGA course for the week for 12 hours before playing each week (like I used to). Just not motivated when the "elite" in PGA/Euro will lap the field so to speak even more than they did in TGC1. I am just not good enough, and there is just too much animosity out there now. So for now I am limiting my playing time to about 3 community societies and TST. Much smaller groups, a ton less biatching and moaning. Not sure if I will continue to play PGA events once the system goes live again. If so, I will not practice them... and secretly I hope I end up demoting...
Point is, based on how I feel about the game right now, I am glad there are societies/community events (and TST). Otherwise I probably would quit playing all together.
To clarify - I am not trying to say that TGCT and Tim/Doyley and crew are to blame for my attitude. What has happened was inevitable based on the way TGC2 was developed.
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Post by mattf27 on Aug 15, 2017 8:26:12 GMT -5
Societies could work okay if they didn't remove functionality that the old game had. First off, open tournaments should be really easy to implement, you can already search for societies and see info on them even if you aren't in them, why not add a setting allowing you to put on private/public tournaments? Then the official HB ones make more sense, and societies in general get more fun. If there was a way to implement this so that it would be available cross-platform like tours/tournaments were in 1 (even if there were separate leaderboards), then we'd be most of the way there.
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Post by grinder12000 on Aug 15, 2017 8:30:47 GMT -5
Societies would work if it was more like a REAL clubhouse where you can have different tier yet still be with the same overall group. (Sounds like TGCTours to me LOL).
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Post by TarheelGolfer on Aug 15, 2017 9:08:14 GMT -5
I think TGCTours has spoiled us in regards to societies. But I also think the way it is setup now is good for TGCTours. Not for the sub-competitions but the tours itself. I have gone back and forth about whether the cross platform is necessary for the good of the tours. I do think there are pros and cons for each. I understand part of what makes this site great is the sub competitions so while that doesn't effect me I get the frustrations. But that was never cross platform anyways per se. So maybe for those so inclined we need to push from solutions for them whether it is through HB/admins or through some of the more ingenious players here. Take scarpacci . He saw a need and had the will and skills to bring to life what I think is a great idea. Lets start talking solutions to the sub-competitions. The ones that see the need for them to continue on start hashing out ideas. I am sure there are enough great minds around here to come up with solutions. I will have to admit that the issues above don't affect me as much as the next guy. I am happy in the XBox society I am in. Between the Tour tier (and hopefully TST) and the society I am in it takes up about all the time I can currently give. But it the sub-comps want to continue they need to start figuring out solutions. Griping doesn't solve an issue. They do have the right to gripe and can even commiserate with them if I want to but it isn't solving the problem. Lets start proposing solutions. There are some great dedicated users out there that I believe if they can put aside their anger(?) towards HB can come up with some brilliant ideas. Lastly, IMO, the societies, whether you see it as good or bad, could be one of the best things that ever happened to TGCTours for driving players and traffic to the site.
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