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Post by paulus on Aug 15, 2017 9:15:52 GMT -5
Really not sure why any anger or disquiet is directed at HB regarding societies. It's patently not HB's fault that they're not cross platform - that's all down to Sony and MS's commercial bullshit....
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 15, 2017 9:20:17 GMT -5
Really not sure why any anger or disquiet is directed at HB regarding societies. It's patently not HB's fault that they're not cross platform - that's all down to Sony and MS's commercial bullshit.... I think (rightly so) because they replaced a system that worked perfectly well - cross platform tours & tournaments.
Societies would have been a decent addition, but there was no need to try, and fail miserably, to replace TGCT and the like.
Especially when the time developing that could have been used to make a game that was fundamentally better. Like so many developers they got lost in gimmicks at the expense of basics/gameplay.
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Post by yyzleafs on Aug 15, 2017 9:21:19 GMT -5
Hey Nesbit why don't you just offer to run the Xbone portion of the society you love so you can still be connected to the others? Then everyone like you keeps their society and still kinda cross platformed
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 15, 2017 9:26:50 GMT -5
Hey Nesbit why don't you just offer to run the Xbone portion of the society you love so you can still be connected to the others? Then everyone like you keeps their society and still kinda cross platformed He can't disband the one he already owns in order to open up a new one, and Scarpacci can't transfer the presidency to him. The inability to leave a society that you've created and the inability to create more than one are blocking him from what you are suggesting.
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Post by yyzleafs on Aug 15, 2017 9:27:50 GMT -5
Hey Nesbit why don't you just offer to run the Xbone portion of the society you love so you can still be connected to the others? Then everyone like you keeps their society and still kinda cross platformed He can't disband the one he already owns in order to open up a new one, and Scarpacci can't transfer the presidency to him. The inability to leave a society that you've created and the inability to create more than one are blocking him from what you are suggesting. Good call. I read that earlier but came back into the thread forgetting about it but thinking I had a fix for him 🤷♀️
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 15, 2017 9:32:39 GMT -5
Someone somewhere, whether it's HB, MG, or whoever, clearly didn't care that community run events are the reason TGC1 went so well. They just backstabbed the entire TGCT community. Tim, Doyley, SmilingGoats, and the rest of the staff are the reason TGC1 was so well, and we supported TGC2, but they just took our money and ran. This game is a f*cking disgrace.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 15, 2017 9:36:55 GMT -5
If you play sandbox MMOs, one of the main features is the idea of an alliance or guild. Players leave alliances all the time, and alliances merge often in order to get stronger.
This ability is completely missing, as society presidents are forever locked into one place. I know of three PS4 societies that are based on course design. It would be nice if they could all merge together and be administered by any one of the three presidents.
Societies are a great idea, but they are very limiting. It's an in-game way of bringing players together that was never there before.
If HB had its way, societies would be cross platform. They have all the data. It is probably more work to segregate everything that they're being asked to do in order to maintain their license.
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Post by xEB50x on Aug 15, 2017 10:19:08 GMT -5
I guess I'm in the minority. I really enjoy all the tourney options Societies bring. I'm in 4 regular societies, and rotate around TGCTOURS. I'm in the Seniors cross platform league, and a team format society. Both are a lot of fun. I must say I'm new to TGC, so I have nothing to compare this game too. So by no means am I saying it wasn't better before, just saying as a new player, I like the game and societies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:21:27 GMT -5
Really not sure why any anger or disquiet is directed at HB regarding societies. It's patently not HB's fault that they're not cross platform - that's all down to Sony and MS's commercial bullshit.... I think this is a fair point, so maybe I need to articulate my position better. The societies are a neat concept, but they should've been an additive, not a replacement for the Play>Tournament option from the menu that allowed all users of any system to compete in the same event. Eliminating that function has essentially eliminated the fantastic community events that were run on the forum. You are also correct that Sony & Microsoft are largely to blame here, but the reason I point the finger at HB is because knowing this segregation would exist, they should not have made societies the ONLY way to play a tournament. I hope that better explains my gripe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:24:13 GMT -5
Hey Nesbit why don't you just offer to run the Xbone portion of the society you love so you can still be connected to the others? Then everyone like you keeps their society and still kinda cross platformed I'd be more than happy to coordinate the XB1 portion of the society for that individual, but there appear to be settings/limitations that preclude me from doing that. Otherwise that's a solution that I'd definitely offer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 11:39:09 GMT -5
Hey Nesbit why don't you just offer to run the Xbone portion of the society you love so you can still be connected to the others? Then everyone like you keeps their society and still kinda cross platformed He can't disband the one he already owns in order to open up a new one, and Scarpacci can't transfer the presidency to him. The inability to leave a society that you've created and the inability to create more than one are blocking him from what you are suggesting. Thanks for understanding! No matter which forum topic we're on together I feel like you get what I'm saying. I try pretty hard not to piss & moan around here, to keep positive, and stay out of drama, but the fact that HB chose to implement a function that segregated people based on console rather than have the option to participate in community events is something I'll never understand. That's my issue. Guys like AS have put in a fantastic effort to make something work within the structure HB gave us, but it's a ton of work, and it may burn them out. I don't blame him one bit, he tried to do something awesome for us. Also, with so many societies out there, people are just in too many, and it's hard for the really good ones to get participation. Or guys will see one they want to be in, but it's on a different system so they can't (I liked Taste's Hershey one, but that was PC so I couldn't join). I'd love to be part of the solution, I just haven't yet figured out how to get around it.
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Post by paulus on Aug 15, 2017 12:18:00 GMT -5
I think (rightly so) because they replaced a system that worked perfectly well - cross platform tours & tournaments. Am I missing something? Tours and tournaments weren't cross platform in the last version IIRC? Yeah agreed that they spent time developing something that is a bit flawed, but I can see why they thought it was necessary - only a small percentage of their users are on TGCT - but obviously we as a community know Societies are not a patch on what TGCT can offer. But for small groups, like my mates who don't play on TGCT, the society feature does serve a need, so is welcome addition I think. I thought the main gripe is around them being not cross-platform - which is nothing to do with HB...
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Post by paulus on Aug 15, 2017 12:26:17 GMT -5
The societies are a neat concept, but they should've been an additive, not a replacement for the Play>Tournament option from the menu that allowed all users of any system to compete in the same event. Eliminating that function has essentially eliminated the fantastic community events that were run on the forum. I can see the point that you think unnecessary time spent on something you see as flawed. That's a reasonable position, but I believe it to be wrong - societies do serve a need for those playing outside of TGCT. On the above quote - the reason people were able to see and use the same tournament cross platform is because the lovely admins here took the time to set them up on each platform separately. ie... cross-platform tournies weren't a feature of the last game either.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 15, 2017 12:30:30 GMT -5
Am I missing something? Tours and tournaments weren't cross platform in the last version IIRC? While the leaderboards were not cross-platform, if you published a Tour or Tournament, at least it was available to play on all platforms. That meant it took 3 people writing down scores for each event, but at least only one person had to create the event and publish it. There was a lot of manual work involved, but at least it was doable, if you wanted. Now, there is less work, but there are also these restrictions. It's not an easy problem to solve while still accomplishing the goal of implementing an online tour structure in-game. The lack of features in TGC1 was more than made up for by the flexibility of Tours, and overall, a better experience than what we have in TGC2 today. But in TGC1, that was all there could be. In TGC2, there are lots of things that can be added and changed to make it a more robust experience. I feel like TGC1 was 100% down an OK road, but TGC2 is 10% down an amazing road.
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 15, 2017 12:32:32 GMT -5
the reason people were able to see and use the same tournament cross platform [in TGC1] is because the lovely admins here took the time to set them up on each platform separately. ie... cross-platform tournies weren't a feature of the last game either. That was the case at one time, but Tours and Tournaments in TGC1 were enhanced later so that they only have to be published once and are available to play on all platforms.
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