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Post by paulus on Jun 27, 2017 16:29:16 GMT -5
If you go tour for PGA/Euro, were would that leave someone getting a promotion to that level who had no desire to use tour clubs? They're just stuck in Web until forced to concede and persevere with Tour? Yep agreed there would be problems. But for me better than the alternative. Whichever route is chosen here there are compromises - a difficult decision ahead! The additional variance is needed - I've played 2 nine holes so far - 1st as Tour... +6. 2nd as Player... -7.... over 9 holes that's right back to TGC1. No doubt I'll get that Tour score better yet, but can't ever see it improving to the point where I could compete against myself with Players clubs. The beta testers seem to confirm this is the case so far too. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 27, 2017 16:40:10 GMT -5
I hope Scarpacci releases Spectacle Island. That course is built for tour clubs. It's long (7800 yards), firm and fast, and the fairways are monstrous.
That kind of course is going to weed out the guys using the player clubs.
Then you might have a short, narrow course where standard clubs rule (this would be fit for CC-Am).
If there are balance issues, those can be addressed, but I don't think a swing should be forced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 16:44:10 GMT -5
Having had some experience with the game. The fact is that if we were to use Player clubs on the PGA or European Tour, then we would just be playing TGC1 IMO, what's the point in that? They go the same distance and scoring is about the same. I played in many tournaments during the beta, the top players that used Player clubs would basically lap the field. The other top players that were using Tour clubs, would be a mile behind because of the lack of absolute control and confidence that you get with the player clubs in comparison. The exciting thing for me is, if we were to use Tour clubs only, this farcical TGC1 scoring would be taken down a peg or 2 and genuine risk/reward would come into the game. Don't get me wrong, you can still shoot lights out with Tour clubs, especially on the easier setups. But you need to be consistent with the swing. It's way more rewarding and fun, playing with the with the knowledge that a disaster is just around the corner if you're not concentrating properly, or make a bad swing or decision. I guess that we'll play a few non official tournaments to iron out balancing, and see which direction that we're going to go? Personally, I don't believe that I would play on TGC Tours if people are using clubs that have training wheels on, when I'm using Tour clubs. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what everybody thinks, having had the time to get to know the game. Then we can all discuss where we should go regarding club choice. Now is too early to be sure. This is what I was afraid of the balance between the 2 clubs sets and player clubs being as easy to hit straight as TGC1, played a bit of the game today with tour clubs with no aids and really enjoyed it. Tbh I'm not even gonna try player clubs because the difficulty and feel is spot on with tour for me even though I'll be an average player on the TST tour, a massive improvement over TGC1 in every way |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 16:48:45 GMT -5
I would think that with a high degree of probability that at some point there will be changed made (tweaks) to the swings via updates/patches.
I started with Player by design to get used to how the tempo addition works, and I plan on trying Tour clubs at some point today.
I mean, if we are to ask PGA and Euro to only play Tour swing... do we then ask CC-Am to only use Standard and then Web/CC-Pro to only use Player? How far does this go? #slipperyslope
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Post by theduke21 on Jun 27, 2017 16:56:12 GMT -5
I don't think there's any hate at all for player clubs. You're giving up one advantage for another. All seems fine to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:07:19 GMT -5
The whole point of the 3 clubs is you use the clubs that get you the best results. I'll be using player originally until I get good. I'll then try and make the jump up to tour but if tour's risk isn't worth the reward then I will jump straight back to player clubs.
By the sounds of what Blueorfe said the risk isn't worth the reward for tour clubs so it's up to HB to tweak it so it is.
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jun 27, 2017 17:10:25 GMT -5
All I can say is shove your club dilemma where the sun doesn't shine!!!
I've to wait another 49hours ffs, wouldn't mind the kyne lad is supposed to be Irish 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:17:37 GMT -5
The whole point of the 3 clubs is you use the clubs that get you the best results. I'll be using player originally until I get good. I'll then try and make the jump up to tour but if tour's risk isn't worth the reward then I will jump straight back to player clubs. I can see tour clubs being really challenging on the toughest courses. But I got a feel for the tempo straight away, maybe because I hit a similar swing speed in the TGC1. Tour clubs have a great feel and realism about them and feel so different from TGC1 in every way which is a great thing in my book |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 27, 2017 17:17:38 GMT -5
Tim Owens said today it will be Tour clubs only for euro/pga
Let the fun begin. 😂😂😂
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jun 27, 2017 18:01:46 GMT -5
I don't even get the point of us all using the same swing difficulty. Surely we all want a bit shot variance. Would be a killer to the Ghost squad too. The whole idea of the swings is that they're well balanced and offer a certain degree of risk or safety. Forcing the Tour swing will provide more shot variance than allowing the use of both. If we are allowed to use the Player Swing, which is way way easier, almost everyone will use it as the only way of being competitive - and almost everyone will end up in the same spots on the fairway. It will be just like TGC1. If we all use the tour swing - some people will miss the fairway, some people will use a 3 Wood/Hybrid because the Driver is too risky, some people will hit it right, some people will hit it left. That is the variance we want. The swings as they are are not well balanced - the distance gain from the Tour Clubs is way too small to be worth using them in a competitive environment. In an ideal world, HB will tweak it so they are balanced. |
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Post by shoey101 on Jun 27, 2017 18:18:15 GMT -5
I agree with the forced tour swing in the top tours. It would bring all scores down. I couldn't imagine the stress of having to make the perfect swing on the 18th tee with a 1 shot lead. It wouldn't make a par on a hole feel like a bogey anymore. Cc tours should be easy swing. Web tour should be player swing and top tours tour swing. As a player moves up the tours I'm sure they could easily adjust to the new swing.
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Post by beamstas on Jun 27, 2017 18:35:48 GMT -5
Tour or nothing... bunch of pussies 😊
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Post by coruler2 on Jun 27, 2017 18:57:30 GMT -5
Tim Owens said today it will be Tour clubs only for euro/pga Let the fun begin. 😂😂😂 No decision has been made or communicated |
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 27, 2017 19:10:43 GMT -5
Why all the hate for the Player clubs?  really... Because the game is not balanced. A good player will choose players clubs every time, they are just easier to score with except is some very specific cases. They are virtually the TGC1 swing once you get used to them. Now, if you like the narrow fairways / fast crazy greens tournament style (there is no "firm" anymore) that's fine but I though that is what the TGCT community were a bit tired of? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 19:25:59 GMT -5
Why all the hate for the Player clubs? really... Because the game is not balanced. A good player will choose players clubs every time, they are just easier to score with except is some very specific cases. They are virtually the TGC1 swing once you get used to them. Now, if you like the narrow fairways / fast crazy greens tournament style (there is no "firm" anymore) that's fine but I though that is what the TGCT community were a bit tired of? A shame to hear. HB really need to tweak it if that's the case. Either give us slightly more reward (distance) with the tour clubs or cut the risk (make the gap between player and tour clubs difficult smaller). |
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