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Post by blackaces13 on Jun 27, 2017 12:52:03 GMT -5
If everyone is shooting lights out with the beginners clubs and no one can compete with the tour clubs (and a standard controller) then I will be firmly in the forced club camp. I anticipated everyone being organically 'forced' to use the tour clubs by virtue of the extra distance being necessary to compete with the best in the game; looks like that may not be the case at all. The idea of the top players using the easiest clubs seems wrong to me on a fundamental level.
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Post by billybudd0623 on Jun 27, 2017 12:55:17 GMT -5
This reply is coming from someone who walked away from TGC1 because it was not realistic or fun after awile. I play real golf first and video game golf a distant second.
I plan on trying to learn the game with the TOUR clubs, knowing that it will be harder. I was on the Euro tour and did not enjoy it as much as I did the WEB (more my skill and time invested level). I will never take the game as seriously as some of you, but I am as competitive as anyone here.
My ego will not be bruised if I shoot 73 instead of 63 IF I AM HAVING FUN. That said, we all play the game for different reasons. I do not think someone should be forced to play with one set of clubs or the other. Hope it doesn't come down to a 'forced issue'.
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Post by mcbogga on Jun 27, 2017 13:03:10 GMT -5
Having had some experience with the game. The fact is that if we were to use Player clubs on the PGA or European Tour, then we would just be playing TGC1 IMO, what's the point in that? They go the same distance and scoring is about the same. I played in many tournaments during the beta, the top players that used Player clubs would basically lap the field. The other top players that were using Tour clubs, would be a mile behind because of the lack of absolute control and confidence that you get with the player clubs in comparison. The exciting thing for me is, if we were to use Tour clubs only, this farcical TGC1 scoring would be taken down a peg or 2 and genuine risk/reward would come into the game. Don't get me wrong, you can still shoot lights out with Tour clubs, especially on the easier setups. But you need to be consistent with the swing. It's way more rewarding and fun, playing with the with the knowledge that a disaster is just around the corner if you're not concentrating properly, or make a bad swing or decision. I guess that we'll play a few non official tournaments to iron out balancing, and see which direction that we're going to go? Personally, I don't believe that I would play on TGC Tours if people are using clubs that have training wheels on, when I'm using Tour clubs. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what everybody thinks, having had the time to get to know the game. Then we can all discuss where we should go regarding club choice. Now is too early to be sure. Doyleys point is valid, but IMO the balance is not there between tour and player clubs unless we will start using 7700yds+ courses or once set specifically to restrict landing zones and put player clubs in between distances. Player clubs have enough length to be very effective on any "normal" length set ups. |
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Post by Friz on Jun 27, 2017 13:15:15 GMT -5
my assumption, which could be wrong but don't think it has been proven otherwise, is that if you can control Tour clubs you're going to be at an advantage either way. Either you will be playing against other people on Tour clubs that will be mishitting more often than you, or you'll be playing against people that can't hit as far as you. Maybe there are disadvantages other than control, but my expectation is that anyone who masters Tour will be ahead of others regardless what settings are in place. Either way, I'd prefer playing Tour if its more realistic, and if that means I don't climb as high in the rankings or compete as well in tournaments, so be it.
Ultimately, what I do hope we'd see though is giving players the option of clubs, but courses designed for Tour clubs (so, long? or whatever else that may mean as we learn the game). That may mean if you don't play Tour you may not be able to reach par 5's in 2, you may be hitting long irons into Par 4's instead of wedges, etc. So if you're not comfortable with the Tour clubs, you can still compete, but there may be other challenges that come with loss of distance.
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Post by paulus on Jun 27, 2017 13:34:28 GMT -5
I feel the additional variance is exactly what is needed. TGC1 became a bit too monotonous towards the end - fairway, green, putt. Birdies were par and it was less simulation and more game. Was hoping to see that balance redressed. Never see even the best golfers in the world hit 72 fairways in regulation...
Therefore if it does become possible, my vote would be for the Tour clubs to be mandatory at Euro/PGA level.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jun 27, 2017 13:45:41 GMT -5
Just played a round with the Player clubs and felt completely in control shooting a -4. I don't even want to try the standard clubs because I fear that they will offer even further advantages. The difference is night and day from the Tour to the Player clubs, and unfortunately I don't think many honest players will be able to play nearly as effectively with the Tour clubs. They are just too difficult to control and the distance benefit is minimal.
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Post by theduke21 on Jun 27, 2017 13:52:11 GMT -5
Definitely don't want the clubs to be forced. I think they already clearly offer their pros and cons. I played with Burton last night, he was using easiest, I was using hardest. At Victory Village I shot 61 and beat him by 8 shots. At another course, I shot 73 and he beat me by like 6. The advantage of hitting it 320 down the middle and stopping a wedge in there is a big enough deal to make most people play tour anyway.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jun 27, 2017 14:01:47 GMT -5
I can't fathom shooting a -8 with the Tour clubs, perhaps I need more rounds. I'll revisit this thread after getting in some more reps.
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Post by tastegw on Jun 27, 2017 14:08:42 GMT -5
I'm going to mow you all down using standard clubs!!!!!
Muuuuhahahaha
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Post by Coniglio on Jun 27, 2017 14:59:57 GMT -5
I suck (im in the CC B level) and im loving Tour clubs. The sole fact that a good roune can go wrong very quickly with a bad swing is lovely! was -7, had a bad tee shot and made me nervous foe the next shot, rushed the down swing and ended having a second shitty shot. So much fun! :)Love the suspense.
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Post by Coniglio on Jun 27, 2017 15:02:24 GMT -5
Oh, and even the real life pro have a few bad tee shots per round. It's golf!  |
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Post by hammo24983 on Jun 27, 2017 15:13:32 GMT -5
Haven't got access to the game yet, so probably shouldn't comment... but I'm going to 😊
I think the choice of clubs is an awesome addition. The strategy involved with this will be great. Different courses will suit tour clubs, others will suit player clubs.
I personally don't see how this can disadvantage anyone as everyone gets the option to use the clubs they want.
Forcing people to use tour clubs has the potential to drive people away from the game, as they simply won't have the skill to master it, and we should be trying to grow the game if anything.
As was said, if in 3 months it is found that everyone is using player clubs and shooting 55, then it could be time to change that, bit let's see. I can't wait!!
Can someone please tell me, what's the driver carry distance on tour swing versus the carry on player swing?
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Post by smytty66 on Jun 27, 2017 15:27:25 GMT -5
I started with Tour from the first round. Way harder, but it only took me four rounds to shoot -7 at Pebble. If the difference in length/spin is not that much between the settings, it would be ludicrous to allow players to pick their own settings for tournaments. It would be like playing FIFA with one guy on legend and another on pro. I thought the whole point was to get scores/performance closer to reality?
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Post by KenTremendous on Jun 27, 2017 15:37:04 GMT -5
But it seems like there is a HUGE difficulty difference between Tour and Player Clubs.. Yep...its massive. With Player im getting Perfect/Perfect the vast majority of the time and its far more forgiving in terms of being off centre on the downswing. On Tour Clubs, far less Perfects and massive slices and hooks all over the place. Cant see me touching Tour any time soon  |
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Post by dorksirjur on Jun 27, 2017 16:20:22 GMT -5
If you go tour for PGA/Euro, were would that leave someone getting a promotion to that level who had no desire to use tour clubs? They're just stuck in Web until forced to concede and persevere with Tour?
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