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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 27, 2017 11:20:03 GMT -5
I don't even get the point of us all using the same swing difficulty. Surely we all want a bit shot variance. Would be a killer to the Ghost squad too. The whole idea of the swings is that they're well balanced and offer a certain degree of risk or safety. That's funny. Hadn't thought about it from that perspective. People that rely on ghost balls will be up that famous creek in a chicken-wire canoe. I've watched some people stream who automatically just take the leading score and watch every shot zoomed in before even attempting to hit. There was always the element of not knowing how much they lofted, but with the swing choices in this game, there are a ton more variables. Iv seen a well know pga/euro player cycle thru ghost balls until he seen a good enough shot to try copy. Sad |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 27, 2017 11:30:40 GMT -5
Having had some experience with the game. The fact is that if we were to use Player clubs on the PGA or European Tour, then we would just be playing TGC1 IMO, what's the point in that? They go the same distance and scoring is about the same. I played in many tournaments during the beta, the top players that used Player clubs would basically lap the field. The other top players that were using Tour clubs, would be a mile behind because of the lack of absolute control and confidence that you get with the player clubs in comparison. The exciting thing for me is, if we were to use Tour clubs only, this farcical TGC1 scoring would be taken down a peg or 2 and genuine risk/reward would come into the game. Don't get me wrong, you can still shoot lights out with Tour clubs, especially on the easier setups. But you need to be consistent with the swing. It's way more rewarding and fun, playing with the with the knowledge that a disaster is just around the corner if you're not concentrating properly, or make a bad swing or decision. I guess that we'll play a few non official tournaments to iron out balancing, and see which direction that we're going to go? Personally, I don't believe that I would play on TGC Tours if people are using clubs that have training wheels on, when I'm using Tour clubs. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what everybody thinks, having had the time to get to know the game. Then we can all discuss where we should go regarding club choice. Now is too early to be sure. Disagree bud. The whole point of the different swing types is to give people the options to pick the set up that suits them best. Forcing people to play a certain way is a bit ridiculous IMO. Sure, the tour swing benefits the betters players who can hit very straight but forcing everyone to hit very straight to do well shudnt be the aim. I'm all for miss hits being penalized more than in tgc 1 on the tour swing but i don't think ppl who can't hit very straight shud be rail roaded into using a swing difficulty that's out of their comfort zone. Not sure why you'd not play on the tours because some others chose a different swing difficulty. It's not like they're gaining an unfair advantage. We can all use the medium difficulty and take the hit on length and control if we want. It's the joy of options. If all we care about is winning then we'll use the swing that suits us best, as the game intended for us to do. Sure there cud be constant tweaking of the swings over the next few months anyways so no need to wait IMO. |
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Post by bearfan3417 on Jun 27, 2017 11:35:23 GMT -5
Having had some experience with the game. The fact is that if we were to use Player clubs on the PGA or European Tour, then we would just be playing TGC1 IMO, what's the point in that? They go the same distance and scoring is about the same. I played in many tournaments during the beta, the top players that used Player clubs would basically lap the field. The other top players that were using Tour clubs, would be a mile behind because of the lack of absolute control and confidence that you get with the player clubs in comparison. The exciting thing for me is, if we were to use Tour clubs only, this farcical TGC1 scoring would be taken down a peg or 2 and genuine risk/reward would come into the game. Don't get me wrong, you can still shoot lights out with Tour clubs, especially on the easier setups. But you need to be consistent with the swing. It's way more rewarding and fun, playing with the with the knowledge that a disaster is just around the corner if you're not concentrating properly, or make a bad swing or decision. I guess that we'll play a few non official tournaments to iron out balancing, and see which direction that we're going to go? Personally, I don't believe that I would play on TGC Tours if people are using clubs that have training wheels on, when I'm using Tour clubs. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what everybody thinks, having had the time to get to know the game. Then we can all discuss where we should go regarding club choice. Now is too early to be sure. Disagree bud. The whole point of the different swing types is to give people the options to pick the set up that suits them best. Forcing people to play a certain way is a bit ridiculous IMO. Sure, the tour swing benefits the betters players who can hit very straight but forcing everyone to hit very straight to do well shudnt be the aim. I'm all for miss hits being penalized more than in tgc 1 on the tour swing but i don't think ppl who can't hit very straight shud be rail roaded into using a swing difficulty that's out of their comfort zone. Not sure why you'd not play on the tours because some others chose a different swing difficulty. It's not like they're gaining an unfair advantage. We can all use the medium difficulty and take the hit on length and control if we want. It's the joy of options. If all we care about is winning then we'll use the swing that suits us best, as the game intended for us to do. Sure there cud be constant tweaking of the swings over the next few months anyways so no need to wait IMO. Will forcing people to play one type of club make you b%& more? Lord knows we need more of that.... |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 27, 2017 11:37:39 GMT -5
Disagree bud. The whole point of the different swing types is to give people the options to pick the set up that suits them best. Forcing people to play a certain way is a bit ridiculous IMO. Sure, the tour swing benefits the betters players who can hit very straight but forcing everyone to hit very straight to do well shudnt be the aim. I'm all for miss hits being penalized more than in tgc 1 on the tour swing but i don't think ppl who can't hit very straight shud be rail roaded into using a swing difficulty that's out of their comfort zone. Not sure why you'd not play on the tours because some others chose a different swing difficulty. It's not like they're gaining an unfair advantage. We can all use the medium difficulty and take the hit on length and control if we want. It's the joy of options. If all we care about is winning then we'll use the swing that suits us best, as the game intended for us to do. Sure there cud be constant tweaking of the swings over the next few months anyways so no need to wait IMO. Will forcing people to play one type of club make you b%& more? Lord knows we need more of that.... It can be arranged...... Who are you again? 😉 |
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Post by blueorfe on Jun 27, 2017 11:50:09 GMT -5
Having had some experience with the game. The fact is that if we were to use Player clubs on the PGA or European Tour, then we would just be playing TGC1 IMO, what's the point in that? They go the same distance and scoring is about the same. I played in many tournaments during the beta, the top players that used Player clubs would basically lap the field. The other top players that were using Tour clubs, would be a mile behind because of the lack of absolute control and confidence that you get with the player clubs in comparison. The exciting thing for me is, if we were to use Tour clubs only, this farcical TGC1 scoring would be taken down a peg or 2 and genuine risk/reward would come into the game. Don't get me wrong, you can still shoot lights out with Tour clubs, especially on the easier setups. But you need to be consistent with the swing. It's way more rewarding and fun, playing with the with the knowledge that a disaster is just around the corner if you're not concentrating properly, or make a bad swing or decision. I guess that we'll play a few non official tournaments to iron out balancing, and see which direction that we're going to go? Personally, I don't believe that I would play on TGC Tours if people are using clubs that have training wheels on, when I'm using Tour clubs. Give it a few weeks and we'll see what everybody thinks, having had the time to get to know the game. Then we can all discuss where we should go regarding club choice. Now is too early to be sure. Disagree bud. The whole point of the different swing types is to give people the options to pick the set up that suits them best. Forcing people to play a certain way is a bit ridiculous IMO. Sure, the tour swing benefits the betters players who can hit very straight but forcing everyone to hit very straight to do well shudnt be the aim. I'm all for miss hits being penalized more than in tgc 1 on the tour swing but i don't think ppl who can't hit very straight shud be rail roaded into using a swing difficulty that's out of their comfort zone. Not sure why you'd not play on the tours because some others chose a different swing difficulty. It's not like they're gaining an unfair advantage. We can all use the medium difficulty and take the hit on length and control if we want. It's the joy of options. If all we care about is winning then we'll use the swing that suits us best, as the game intended for us to do. Sure there cud be constant tweaking of the swings over the next few months anyways so no need to wait IMO. I'm crap at hitting it straight, so that doesn't come into what I'm saying. I want that to be in a level playing field if I'm playing in a tournament, just as it has been for 3 years. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 27, 2017 11:52:19 GMT -5
Disagree bud. The whole point of the different swing types is to give people the options to pick the set up that suits them best. Forcing people to play a certain way is a bit ridiculous IMO. Sure, the tour swing benefits the betters players who can hit very straight but forcing everyone to hit very straight to do well shudnt be the aim. I'm all for miss hits being penalized more than in tgc 1 on the tour swing but i don't think ppl who can't hit very straight shud be rail roaded into using a swing difficulty that's out of their comfort zone. Not sure why you'd not play on the tours because some others chose a different swing difficulty. It's not like they're gaining an unfair advantage. We can all use the medium difficulty and take the hit on length and control if we want. It's the joy of options. If all we care about is winning then we'll use the swing that suits us best, as the game intended for us to do. Sure there cud be constant tweaking of the swings over the next few months anyways so no need to wait IMO. I'm crap at hitting it straight, so that doesn't come into what I'm saying. I want that to be in a level playing field if I'm playing in a tournament, just as it has been for 3 years. I understand that but one of the major reasons why we have tgc 2 and not just tgc 1 with a big update was because they wanted to offer these options to people to use. Sounds like what u wanted was to just stay on tgc 1 where everyone hits the same shots with the same clubs, With an added incentive of hitting straight and massively penalizing shots that are not. I'd have no interest in that myself. I don't see how it's not a level playing field either. Nobody can use anything that rest of us can't. |
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Post by Airik3333 on Jun 27, 2017 11:57:20 GMT -5
Hopefully HB Studios will tweak it to make sense.. I have only viewed a few streams and have not played yet.. But it seems like there is a HUGE difficulty difference between Tour and Player Clubs.. Maybe if they make Tour clubs a little bit easier and player clubs a little bit harder it would make more sense to allow the choice..
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Post by jarednich on Jun 27, 2017 12:09:26 GMT -5
I tend to agree with blueorfe in principle, but I haven't played enough to know for sure. The Tour set seems to be pretty difficult, while the Player set seems to mimic what we already have. I do know that I trust Doyley SmilingGoats Tim to figure this all out for me and make the best choice for the community. I could foresee lots of skill specific community events though. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Jun 27, 2017 12:12:19 GMT -5
Maybe they could create a lpga tour for all those that want to use the standard club setting on the top tours
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jun 27, 2017 12:17:18 GMT -5
I'm sorry but will nobody else point out smurfblade88 is been perfectly reasonable his points are very valid and not argumentative and I didn't see a single swear word!!! Which leads me to this 1. Smurf has a smufette now 2. He just had a 2 hour shower 3. Doyley murdered him and feed him to Jerry All perfectly plausible. Oh and swing it how ever you want IMO |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Jun 27, 2017 12:18:24 GMT -5
Maybe they could create a lpga tour for all those that want to use the standard club setting on the top tours Colinmafia is on the case. |
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Post by shootermcgavin on Jun 27, 2017 12:34:29 GMT -5
Surely the 3 swing difficulty settings were added into the new game to give people the choice of how they wanted to play? I cannot see how we can tell people on the top tours what swing they have to use for a given tournament. Let everyone choose how they want to attack each tournament, otherwise if you force a swing on people that they cannot perform, then I think people might just walk away.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jun 27, 2017 12:40:29 GMT -5
Wow, just played my first round out of the box and picked tour clubs, shot a 96 with about 10 balls in the water. I absolutely cannot believe how difficult the tour clubs are. I see no way for me to use them and stay on the PGA Tour. Would never have imagined this before playing, truly shocking.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Jun 27, 2017 12:43:52 GMT -5
At the moment, we do not have the ability to enforce a particular swing. So it will be up to the player.
If down the road we get that ability AND we feel it is necessary to require Tour clubs on the top tours to keep scores reasonable, we may look into it. We'd like to have that ability. But for now, we're going to wait and see how it goes. Hopefully, it will be balanced and we won't need to do anything. But if we find that 99% of everyone is using Player Clubs and shooting in the 50's, then we're going to keep our options open.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Jun 27, 2017 12:45:17 GMT -5
P.S. Judging your performance with Tour Clubs this early into the game is not wise. It will take time to get used to them but you will.
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