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Post by smytty66 on Jun 27, 2017 19:31:44 GMT -5
I, for one, love the idea that you can't groove every shot and scores might actually be halfway realistic.
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Post by Mark (Kram) on Jun 27, 2017 19:39:44 GMT -5
I posted somewhere late night that I felt the swings were awkward. Bradley mentioned that everyone should give it time and I agree with him. I've verbalised on my Streams that if you're going to play TGC 2 with the expectation it's anything like TGC you're going to be shocked. It's best to go into TGC 2 like this is the first golf game you've ever played. I've knuckled down and just played Tour. I've found it easier getting P/P by doing just under a full swing, you hit it straighter too, obviously, you club up, add a little loft, almost do a full swing and take it from there. I've just played Turu Wero (which looks amazing btw). I missed one gir and hit -10. My advice is to experiment a little, but imo, aiming for a full swing isn't the way to go (right now), maybe with patience, more practise and precision with the timing that'll change.
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Post by Doyley on Jun 27, 2017 19:44:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 20:05:20 GMT -5
this got me curious how many top players bail or choose the easier swing an answer to this I would love
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Post by rustydynamite on Jun 27, 2017 20:11:56 GMT -5
I dont see why everyone has issues with low scores and use the saying "birdie is par." Par doesn't matter. Par means nothing in competition. Golf is all about getting the ball in the hole in less shots. How you get it done really doesn't matter at all.
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Post by blackaces13 on Jun 27, 2017 20:30:58 GMT -5
I don't even get the point of us all using the same swing difficulty. Surely we all want a bit shot variance. Would be a killer to the Ghost squad too. The whole idea of the swings is that they're well balanced and offer a certain degree of risk or safety. Forcing the Tour swing will provide more shot variance than allowing the use of both. If we are allowed to use the Player Swing, which is way way easier, almost everyone will use it as the only way of being competitive - and almost everyone will end up in the same spots on the fairway. It will be just like TGC1. If we all use the tour swing - some people will miss the fairway, some people will use a 3 Wood/Hybrid because the Driver is too risky, some people will hit it right, some people will hit it left. That is the variance we want. The swings as they are are not well balanced - the distance gain from the Tour Clubs is way too small to be worth using them in a competitive environment. In an ideal world, HB will tweak it so they are balanced. I agree with everything in this post. |
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Post by theduke21 on Jun 27, 2017 22:41:53 GMT -5
I just don't see this "clear advantage" that player clubs have. I'm hitting the ball 310 down the middle and hitting a lot of fairways. I'm also spinning irons that people can't do with player clubs. All the guys I've seen firing really low scores so far have been using tour clubs...
So where is this coming from?
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Post by SloanerTW on Jun 27, 2017 22:53:31 GMT -5
I just don't see this "clear advantage" that player clubs have. I'm hitting the ball 310 down the middle and hitting a lot of fairways. I'm also spinning irons that people can't do with player clubs. All the guys I've seen firing really low scores so far have been using tour clubs... So where is this coming from? Player clubs are way easier. I switched to them for 9 holes went -9 and went back to tour. |
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Post by mrohde4 on Jun 27, 2017 23:21:28 GMT -5
Remember the 'Tiger-proofing' course phase of the early 2000s?
If Player clubs are allowed on the pro tours, then courses should be player club-proofed. 7400+ should be a normal PGA/Euro course length IMO. Forced carries of 270 plus, 220+ par threes with firm greens. Otherwise we will eventually return to dial a distance, middle fairway, one putt, high 50s scores. An analogy that comes to mind is bowling with bumpers. No thought involved, no true risk.
I will play and enjoy the tours either way. Playing these past two nights with tour clubs, the butterflies and nerves experienced while "standing over" each shot was refreshingly new and invigorating. Even in my first rounds with 1, I never truly felt nervous that "hey, you better focus here or this ball is going in the water." That's golf!! And that's what we have with tour clubs. This is lame as it gets, but with tour clubs, you feel alive!
I'm in camp tour clubs only because I believe nerves and composure under pressure should play a part in winning on these tours, but that's just me.
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Post by Airik3333 on Jun 27, 2017 23:26:41 GMT -5
I'm finding the Player Clubs to be more difficult than TGC1.. Some people are saying they play the same as TGC1.. I am not seeing that.. It's still really easy to shank one out of the cone in TGC2... In TGC1 you damn near had to try to yank one out of the cone..
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Post by timeracer on Jun 27, 2017 23:51:37 GMT -5
I dont see why everyone has issues with low scores and use the saying "birdie is par." Par doesn't matter. Par means nothing in competition. Golf is all about getting the ball in the hole in less shots. How you get it done really doesn't matter at all. Couldn't agree more. Reality is, no matter what swing becomes the prevalent choice the scoring will never be "realistic". Flicking a stick can never account for all the variables and intricacies of a real world golf swing. If we're going to force realism, my opinion is that should start with the courses themselves. But that's a different argument for different day. Always grinds my gears in any game when one group of players tries to apply their standards of how they want to play on a larger group. Usually talking in a condescending fashion about how others needs aids and how they play is so superior Not saying that is case here, but that's where these discussions inevitably end up. No different from the never ending assists debate in racing sims. And just like assists in racing games there seems to be the same trade off here. Using things like ABS and TCS in games does make it easier. It also limits your potential speed. ABS increases your braking distance and TCS literally slows your car on the edge. One who masters how to drive without them will be faster than the guy using them. Same principle applies here. Player clubs will be easier to hit, but you will lose distance and spin compared to the tour clubs. The player who masters tour clubs will have advantages in distance and spin over the player using player clubs. Forcing clubs on people is a bad idea. It will drive players away. Realistic scoring is completely subjective anyways. Certainly growth of the tours should take precedent over anyone's idea of what scoring should be. Just my two cents as lowly CC-A player planning to make run to top tours in new game. Planning on starting out on tour clubs. The additional spin being the key reason why. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Jun 28, 2017 0:08:49 GMT -5
I just don't see this "clear advantage" that player clubs have. I'm hitting the ball 310 down the middle and hitting a lot of fairways. I'm also spinning irons that people can't do with player clubs. All the guys I've seen firing really low scores so far have been using tour clubs... So where is this coming from? Player clubs are way easier. I switched to them for 9 holes went -9 and went back to tour. I am also finding this... Easily under par with Player clubs while struggle to get under with tour.. although now that I've got my swing timed.. I should go back to tour and check it out. |
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Post by warhawk137 on Jun 28, 2017 0:28:46 GMT -5
Now that I've actually got Tour clubs down, given the option I would choose to play with them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 0:32:54 GMT -5
The problem is if courses are lengthened to protect them from low scores with player clubs. Will we then be seeing a lot of unrealistically long golf courses. I love playing real course recreations and don't really want to be playing 300 to 400 yard longer versions of them
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Jun 28, 2017 1:09:11 GMT -5
Tim Owens said today it will be Tour clubs only for euro/pga Let the fun begin. 😂😂😂 That's the Smurf we all love 😂 |
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