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Post by unclefester75 on Aug 3, 2016 11:26:59 GMT -5
Wow 20 minutes a round? Is that fast or normal? It takes me about 35 to 45 minutes a round. How is 45 minutes a round consider slow?
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Post by Jason White on Aug 3, 2016 11:27:59 GMT -5
Your welcome. I'm a little concerned ya all b%&in before the new 1 comes out may make the true gamers or as you lot like to refer to them as Web. come or weaker players to think twice about buying the new game. You all need to get if your high horses. Everyone near the top 'cheats' one way or another so if you guys respect HB stop acting like it's life or death Just as I said in the now locked thread, bunch of cheats at the top level and everyone knows it. I finished 2nd in the PGA Secondary event last week and I've never cheated... I'm not even smart enough to figure out how to cheat... just play the game. lol (Yes it was a secondary event... I know the Top, TOP players weren't playing) But I finished -40 on a pretty tough course... sometimes the putts just fall and the chips go in. This week is a different story... I lipped about 8 shots which would have put me inside the top 10 after 2 rounds but instead I'm T-30th right now and will continue to fall as more players play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 11:44:53 GMT -5
for those too lazy to click B5W's link a. Mutual Respect Among Members. TGC Tours strives to preserve and protect the centuries-old notion of golf as a game where sportsmanship and self-respect are the pillars upon which all the rules of the game are built. TGC Tours expects from all of its Officials, Staff, Members and Designers that only sportsmanlike and courteous interactions will take place on the course, in the forums, when reviewing courses, and elsewhere. b. General. No malicious, derogatory, degrading, racist, sexist, homophobic, offensive, harassing, or otherwise hostile comments will be tolerated by TGC Tours. Failure to follow this rule will be punished by immediate suspension of the Member's account. Repeat offenders will be permanently banned from TGC Tours. A serious or aggravated first-time offense may result in an immediate, permanent ban, without notice to the offender. Please report all issues of this type to commish@tgctours.com. I'm pretty sure when this forum started there was a message saying no threads about religion or politics. Any chance of getting that put in the bylaws before the Trump or Hillary bashing gets going at full steam in threads and the shoutbox? Would be nice to keep it golf related for the most part.
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Post by yaters on Aug 3, 2016 11:44:58 GMT -5
Well, not sure if this is a good idea a bad idea or otherwise. However I would like to express my sincerest of apologies. I apologize to Cannuck first and foremost. I have no intention of ever acting in any way revengeful to you ever. I lost it and I'm sorry. I felt you were always a bit cold to me, i also had always had a feeling you always knew who i really was. I apologize again, I will not now nor ever act on any threats i made to you and apologize. Seriously you took a picture and ran with it, good job Columbo. Joke aside I hope you will find it possible to one day forgive me. To TGCT i don't blame you for doing as you did now or ever. As stated in the copied message from Burton, yeah I'm a little concerned over the IP thing. A new address, computer, modem, internet account, cell phone will do that unfortunately especially between accounts. Dynamic IPA's aside you were right in any event. I apologize to the tours for not taking my punishment. It was wrong of me to circumvent your decision no matter how i felt about the decision or situation. I hope you will find in your hearts to one day forgive me. To the community, i don't expect you to ever forgive me, however it wont stop me from in any event requesting to maybe one day you may find it in your heart to forgive me and allow us all to move past this completely unfortunate situation. TGCT can close this account and if I ever do return, or am allowed to ever return, I will do so as Steve2golf provided of course that account is ever UN-banned. Rest assured i will respect and obey whatever decision and course of action the tours decides they may take. Should that happen to be a lifetime ban, I wish truly, honestly and sincerely everyone all the best and i will most definitely honour/obey and respect that whatever the eventual decision. Thanks Steve. That is a true apology in my eyes. I too hope this can one day be put behind and that is a solid first step in my opinion. Going to take a bit to rebuild trust and all. And when/if you come back I hope you'll accept some friendly ribbing about it all No excuses in my eyes for what you did or your reaction after. Just bad decisions which you obviously have realized now. I stated I would want nothing to do with someone that did all this, but I can be a mature adult and forgive when the apology is sincere - and I think it is. Virtual hand-shake. Start mending the fences and maybe we'll see you again soon.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 3, 2016 11:55:22 GMT -5
I will say this as a long time member here. I don't condone Steve's actions threating anybody at all. Cheating is also very high on that list. He circumvented his punishment last year as well.
With all that being said since he came back a month later as BoomBoom he seems to have been for the most part a good member of the community right or wrong for even being here. Not sure how many here will deny that.
Not sure ultimately what the punishment will be but he should be refrained from competition for the remainder of the 2016 year at a minimum. I would take into account what he has done for TGC Tours the past year as a whole as well when deciding on this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 12:01:13 GMT -5
Thank you to everyone sending me messages in the boomboom PM box. I see this real account is indeed not banned. Please, if you wish to post to me anymore messages, please do so using this account, i will no longer ever be logging into under the Boomboom account and it can now be closed.
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Post by ijs1543 on Aug 3, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
Well, not sure if this is a good idea a bad idea or otherwise. However I would like to express my sincerest of apologies. I apologize to Cannuck first and foremost. I have no intention of ever acting in any way revengeful to you ever. I lost it and I'm sorry. I felt you were always a bit cold to me, i also had always had a feeling you always knew who i really was. I apologize again, I will not now nor ever act on any threats i made to you and apologize. Seriously you took a picture and ran with it, good job Columbo. Joke aside I hope you will find it possible to one day forgive me. To TGCT i don't blame you for doing as you did now or ever. As stated in the copied message from Burton, yeah I'm a little concerned over the IP thing. A new address, computer, modem, internet account, cell phone will do that unfortunately especially between accounts. Dynamic IPA's aside you were right in any event. I apologize to the tours for not taking my punishment. It was wrong of me to circumvent your decision no matter how i felt about the decision or situation. I hope you will find in your hearts to one day forgive me. To the community, i don't expect you to ever forgive me, however it wont stop me from in any event requesting to maybe one day you may find it in your heart to forgive me and allow us all to move past this completely unfortunate situation. TGCT can close this account and if I ever do return, or am allowed to ever return, I will do so as Steve2golf provided of course that account is ever UN-banned. Rest assured i will respect and obey whatever decision and course of action the tours decides they may take. Should that happen to be a lifetime ban, I wish truly, honestly and sincerely everyone all the best and i will most definitely honour/obey and respect that whatever the eventual decision. Really a shame this wasnt your 1st reaction , i cant speak for anyone else but for me u ****ed with the masters last year and got caught, came back which u shouldnt of but you proved under boomboom that u Wouldn't cheat again, so i Wouldn't have a problem with you coming back after accepting what the admin dish out but i would prefer you came back as steve2golf so i could call you a cheat if you win again, we all know people will try to cheat coming from the tiger woods era but when you got caught would of been better to read this as your statement not everyones wrong and you wanna sue and go find andre, just remember if you do come back the euro lads will be waiting with a special word just for you.
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Post by unclefester75 on Aug 3, 2016 12:10:24 GMT -5
I will say this as a long time member here. I don't condone Steve's actions threating anybody at all. Cheating is also very high on that list. He circumvented his punishment last year as well. With all that being said since he came back a month later as BoomBoom he seems to have been for the most part a good member of the community right or wrong for even being here. Not sure how many here will deny that. Not sure ultimately what the punishment will be but he should be refrained from competition for the remainder of the 2016 year at a minimum. I would take into account what he has done for TGC Tours the past year as a whole as well when deciding on this. I completely disagree. No matter his contribution to the site as BoomBoom his actions to avoid suspension should get him a ban indefinitely. I would not take into account his "good deeds". They need to suspend him for a long time, otherwise this might encourage others to perform similar evasive techniques. In fact, I would consider that his suspension has been violated as he really did not serve one. So, add a whole year to whatever punishment is decided upon. At minimum, I would say he needs to sit out until TGC2 comes out and possibly longer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 12:12:51 GMT -5
I will say this as a long time member here. I don't condone Steve's actions threating anybody at all. Cheating is also very high on that list. He circumvented his punishment last year as well. With all that being said since he came back a month later as BoomBoom he seems to have been for the most part a good member of the community right or wrong for even being here. Not sure how many here will deny that. Not sure ultimately what the punishment will be but he should be refrained from competition for the remainder of the 2016 year at a minimum. I would take into account what he has done for TGC Tours the past year as a whole as well when deciding on this. He should be banned for a minimum of 3 years for that pin on the 17th hole in the 2nd round of the Match Play Joking aside, I'm fine with whatever punishment TGCTours dishes out as it's their decision and rules were not obeyed.
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Post by Griz891 on Aug 3, 2016 12:19:53 GMT -5
I will say this as a long time member here. I don't condone Steve's actions threating anybody at all. Cheating is also very high on that list. He circumvented his punishment last year as well. With all that being said since he came back a month later as BoomBoom he seems to have been for the most part a good member of the community right or wrong for even being here. Not sure how many here will deny that. Not sure ultimately what the punishment will be but he should be refrained from competition for the remainder of the 2016 year at a minimum. I would take into account what he has done for TGC Tours the past year as a whole as well when deciding on this. I'd have to agree with you here Tim. I agree, BoomBoom most definately screwed up and deserves to be handed the punishment. I kind of have a problem with how the whole thing was handled. What I mean by that is do you really think it was necessary for a public lynching? I mean seriously, this couldn't have been handled in private pm's? I read the whole fiascal when it came out in public (not even sure who started it) and was almost in shock. My first thoughts were, WHY? It should have been done privately and if he wanted to come out and tell the public of his unforeseen actions than so be it. He has done alot for this community as far as designing courses, but he did something he wasn't suppose to do and I agree he should be done for the remainder of the year. Reading all the beliddling and jabs was almost a little disturbing. I don't know about every else, but if someone beliddles me, I can promise you I'm probably going to lash back hard. Which he did and that's just a gut reaction. I spent plenty of weekends in the county jail for such reactions in my younger days...lol. I'm like everyone else with being disappointed in his actions (probably more shocked than anything), but a little disappointed with the whole public lynching thing too. I don't know, I just think it could have been handled a little better than this. I'm sure BoomBoom knew what the circumstances were going to be if he got caught and is feeling pretty crappy about it now. Maybe someday he can come back and start a clean slate. Only time will tell and what this community decides. I just hope that if something like this ever occurs again that it gets handled a little better than how it was by this community with the whole public lynching that took place. Anyways, that's just my 2 cents worth, take it as you may. I agree with the punishment 100%, just wasn't all that impressed with how it all took place is all.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 3, 2016 12:20:02 GMT -5
I will say this as a long time member here. I don't condone Steve's actions threating anybody at all. Cheating is also very high on that list. He circumvented his punishment last year as well. With all that being said since he came back a month later as BoomBoom he seems to have been for the most part a good member of the community right or wrong for even being here. Not sure how many here will deny that. Not sure ultimately what the punishment will be but he should be refrained from competition for the remainder of the 2016 year at a minimum. I would take into account what he has done for TGC Tours the past year as a whole as well when deciding on this. I completely disagree. No matter his contribution to the site as BoomBoom his actions to avoid suspension should get him a ban indefinitely. I would not take into account his "good deeds". They need to suspend him for a long time, otherwise this might encourage others to perform similar evasive techniques. In fact, I would consider that his suspension has been violated as he really did not serve one. So, add a whole year to whatever punishment is decided upon. At minimum, I would say he needs to sit out until TGC2 comes out and possibly longer. Fair enough. I know I have been very hard on Kenny Willis and Alexandre for their actions too. Straight shooters were getting a 1 week ban. Alexandre for his ghost ball usage got I think 4-5 weeks. Steve got 23 weeks? Either way they all were circumventing the system. Maybe some more than others but that is the admins call. I have been pretty harsh on most of these guys but I'm just tired of being bitter all the time
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 3, 2016 12:22:12 GMT -5
So a few points: 1. Taking 35-45-55 minutes to complete a round it not unheard off and doesn't mean you are cheating. Some people will take 1-2 minutes on an approach shot. To see this just check out the instant replay thread. There are people who just take their time. 2. That being said, Steve did admit to what he did. 3. Steve admitted he came back as Boomer. 4. He had not cheated once he came back as Boomer according to him and the admin. 5. The punishment will be based on, therefore, him not serving out the original ban of 1 year.
All that being said, did he lie when caught? Yes, yes he did. Doesn't most people initially lie when caught? It is a human reaction. How long did Bill Clinton say he never had relations with that girl? How long has Hillary lied about classified emails? How little does it take for Trump to lie when it is shown he has no clue what he is talking about? Lying is a natural human response when caught doing something you aren't supposed to be doing, and I would venture to say we have ALL done it from time to time.
Does that excuse the original actions? No. I actually liked playing with Boom Boom and really enjoyed his courses. I'm disappointed in him that he was unable to sit out the original punishment, but think about it this way, what did he have to lose for doing what he did? If it were RL and he was losing money every week for a ban, like Dustin Johnson did with his 6 month suspension, then that is an incentive not to screw around and get cleaned up. This is a game, this is a virtual tour. I suspect Steve thought if he came back, started a new and played by the rules, it wouldn't be so much of a big deal because it is after all just a game. I may not agree with it but I can understand it.
As for the threats and so forth, once again it is a natural human response when you are being beat up on to lash out, to demand proof and so forth. Again does it forgive the fact that he did these things? No. What I'm saying is I'm not going to bad mouth him, denounce him to the world, troll him or keep bringing up what a 'loser' or 'idiot' he is. Don't throw rocks at glass houses, is the saying. I would still claim that we have all done similar things in our lives to some sort of degree. We've all lied, we've all denied the lie and we all got upset at the punishment/consequences.
It is fun to gossip, flame and laugh about his foolishness. It is harder to forgive. Whatever the admins feel the consequences will be, I will support. I feel there should be something and I hope this time Steve/Boomer accepts it so he can come back (if allowed). He is a pretty good golfer and a hell of a designer. This community can always use better golf courses.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 3, 2016 12:26:19 GMT -5
An Apology is always welcome obviously. But i've always believed you can tell more about a person from their immediate reaction to something than what they say 2 days later, so to me it rings slightly hollow. Maybe that's me being cynical..... Straight Shooting, Two Accounts, Multiple Ghosts are to me, all pretty insignificant when compared to threats of violence to fellow community members. That for me is perma-ban territory. If it isn't then where exactly do you draw the line?
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Post by gfoss1986 on Aug 3, 2016 12:34:11 GMT -5
An Apology is always welcome obviously. But i've always believed you can tell more about a person from their immediate reaction to something than what they say 2 days later, so to me it rings slightly hollow. Maybe that's me being cynical..... Straight Shooting, Two Accounts, Multiple Ghosts are to me, all pretty insignificant when compared to threats of violence to fellow community members. That for me is perma-ban territory. If it isn't then where exactly do you draw the line? Totally agree, it's very easy to offer a full apology when your back is against the wall and the evidence is so severely stacked against you, it's kind of the only remaining option to admit all guilt and beg for forgiveness, deny, deny, deny, threaten, ask for proof, given proof, silence, realisation, apology as last resort.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 3, 2016 12:39:07 GMT -5
An Apology is always welcome obviously. But i've always believed you can tell more about a person from their immediate reaction to something than what they say 2 days later, so to me it rings slightly hollow. Maybe that's me being cynical..... Straight Shooting, Two Accounts, Multiple Ghosts are to me, all pretty insignificant when compared to threats of violence to fellow community members. That for me is perma-ban territory. If it isn't then where exactly do you draw the line? He could of just said "f*ck you guys" and got a 3rd IP address/new name next week and nobody the wiser. Glad to see an apology from him. He screws us over again though there won't be any remorse.
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