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Post by HeMan1202 on Mar 23, 2016 12:24:43 GMT -5
It is a reward because everyone's drive with TGCT is to move up. It is very hard and grinding work to get to Web. This guy intentionally (probably) sandbagged Q school to get an exemption to the Masters. Now he gets put into Web with no effort to get there (yes, he probably does belong there).
Who knows, maybe he already is in Web
He has already been moved to Web. I guess that's my point, he tried to game the system and sandbag. His reward would be staying in a lower tier and winning all the time. Now that he is put in the appropriate level he will have a tougher time winning. I agree that the ultimate goal for everyone is to be better and make it to higher tiers, but in this situation it was discovered and he was moved to the appropriate place. Sorry man, I was being a little flippant with my last comment there. I know he was moved to Web but I was implying that, ahem, he may already be there. I know, totally inappropriate of me.
I suppose that if he absolutely didn't want to be in Web, this is not a reward. I think everyone's opinion is that there should be some form of punishment for blatant sandbagging, but with that of course comes a certain accusation, which Doyley really can't make.
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Post by curtmantle on Mar 23, 2016 12:27:11 GMT -5
As someone in the chasing pack on the Masters qualifying in CC-E, it's a welcome call to us poor saps who were languishing 20+ shots behind this guy after 2 rounds. Some people on CC-E have been practicing the Magnolia course all week because they have a chance of getting an extra reward on top of a tournament win, a tournament at the top table, with the big guns. Sure, the player(s) who make it are probably going to get their arses handed to them in the real tournament, but it'd still be a great thing to do.
Then within two rounds our chances had been destroyed by a guy who hasn't played a single tournament on CC-E and shoots a 56 which none of us could do except on the luckiest of days ever. He could have completely blown the last two rounds and still not been caught.
Think of us poor guys on the bottom rung. In all seriousness I do understand the points people are making about this guy getting a reward, but I also acknowledge what a tough decision this must have been for Doyley and the other organisers.
Right back to blowing my chances of getting the win... which is preferable to having a great tournament, finishing second and still finishing 40 shots behind the winner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 12:41:18 GMT -5
There are two sides to this issue as far as playing "where you belong."
I'd love nothing more than to be in the Web. Hell, why stop there? PGA baby!
But come on. Look at me. I'm MAYBE a slightly above average player at best and even that is debatable. What kind of chance would I possibly have in Web? I'd finish every tournament at or near the bottom. It wouldn't be any fun to have no chance to compete. Plus, to have to play those ridiculously hard courses with the sidewalk narrow fairways, fast and firm greens and par 3 and 4s the length of Morticia's hair. No thanks. At least in C, where I am, I have a snowball's chance to compete and not even. My finishes here have been no better than 28th. Right now, I'm just fighting for survival.
So while some may see this as rewarding the guy for cheating, I see it as giving him what deserves...the requirement to have to scratch and claw his way for every victory, exemption or whatever and not a trophy in his case for every tier up the ladder. I'll never have a trophy in this game. My best chance was in E Class when I finished T3. But that ship has sailed. I'm as good as I'm probably going to get and will have to be happy with finishes in the 30s and 40s, if that.
IMO, the guy got what he deserved.
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Post by feng187 on Mar 23, 2016 12:47:40 GMT -5
As someone in the chasing pack on the Masters qualifying in CC-E, it's a welcome call to us poor saps who were languishing 20+ shots behind this guy after 2 rounds. Some people on CC-E have been practicing the Magnolia course all week because they have a chance of getting an extra reward on top of a tournament win, a tournament at the top table, with the big guns. Sure, the player(s) who make it are probably going to get their arses handed to them in the real tournament, but it'd still be a great thing to do. Then within two rounds our chances had been destroyed by a guy who hasn't played a single tournament on CC-E and shoots a 56 which none of us could do except on the luckiest of days ever. He could have completely blown the last two rounds and still not been caught. Think of us poor guys on the bottom rung. In all seriousness I do understand the points people are making about this guy getting a reward, but I also acknowledge what a tough decision this must have been for Doyley and the other organisers. Right back to blowing my chances of getting the win... which is preferable to having a great tournament, finishing second and still finishing 40 shots behind the winner. Well said curt, although I didn't agree with the qualification tournament as a whole as I said in my first post, it's not about competing for the guys that get there and this cheat getting removed is great for the chasing pack in CC-E doing it the right way. Epic profile pic by the way, gotta love Bricktop
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Post by Andrea on Mar 23, 2016 13:35:46 GMT -5
I may sound exaggerated right now but I'm all in for the "Nazi treatment" in whatever cheating case Once a cheater always a cheater, that's what I believe - there is no mistake in sandbagging/straight shooting/creating multiple accounts..ecc...ecc...it's 100% planned. So in videogames I strongly believe in the presumption of guilt formula: if you fudge up either you prove beyond reasonable doubt (screens, video, streaming...there's plenty) that you are not a cheater or at least that you are in super-good faith, or you're out. For good. I mean it's not like without TGCT one cannot survive right? Or TGCT itself loses anything by kicking a couple of lads. But that's only me, and maybe it's for the better that I'm not in charge
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Post by nantez88 on Mar 23, 2016 13:40:33 GMT -5
This may sound bad but I think they should put a cap on qschool. It is meant to be a qualifying school after all and what I mean is if somebody shoots a certain criteria of over par they should be sent an email saying ''unfortunately your score wasn't good enough to qualify this month, please try next month'' or something similar Maybe I'm being bad but IRL if your not good enough well tough luck keep practicing till you are. I think it would stop the sandbagging to some extent anyway. Anyway just my opinion Hope I don't offend anyone :-) As someone who isn't very good at this game, but enjoys it, if I didn't play good enough to qualify for this month, I wouldn't bother playing again next month. It would discourage a good amount of people. Sandbagging doesn't benefit anyone but their ego in this since there's no prize money or items given as a prize. So they sandbag for a while and eventually get bumped up till they aren't winning anymore. I get you pal I just think it would solve part of the problem that not everyone can qualify each month if they are shooting 100+ or more, it's just my opinion. I think the problem is tgc trying to mirror real life, firstly amateurs can't earn money from golf. When I was playing I couldn't compete in several events due to my handicap not being good enough and this game is meant to mirror real life. I know all this sounds harsh but look at the majority of Cc leaderboards each week. 80% are usually shooting under par each week So if someone comes in off qschool 100+ they should be told no you didn't qualify and to keep practicing or something. This would eliminate the sandbagging massively. Even a weekly qschool where people can keep trying to qualify to get a card maybe. I know people would get disheartened,but if they really wanted to join it would make them practice their ass off to qualify just like real life. Anyway just my opinion I don't want to be offending anyone
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Post by feng187 on Mar 23, 2016 13:52:06 GMT -5
I may sound exaggerated right now but I'm all in for the "Nazi treatment" in whatever cheating case Once a cheater always a cheater, that's what I believe - there is no mistake in sandbagging/straight shooting/creating multiple accounts..ecc...ecc...it's 100% planned. So in videogames I strongly believe in the presumption of guilt formula: if you fudge up either you prove beyond reasonable doubt (screens, video, streaming...there's plenty) that you are not a cheater or at least that you are in super-good faith, or you're out. For good. I mean it's not like without TGCT one cannot survive right? Or TGCT itself loses anything by kicking a couple of lads. But that's only me, and maybe it's for the better that I'm not in charge I 100% agree with Andrea Mussolini here
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Post by Andrea on Mar 23, 2016 14:05:00 GMT -5
I may sound exaggerated right now but I'm all in for the "Nazi treatment" in whatever cheating case Once a cheater always a cheater, that's what I believe - there is no mistake in sandbagging/straight shooting/creating multiple accounts..ecc...ecc...it's 100% planned. So in videogames I strongly believe in the presumption of guilt formula: if you fudge up either you prove beyond reasonable doubt (screens, video, streaming...there's plenty) that you are not a cheater or at least that you are in super-good faith, or you're out. For good. I mean it's not like without TGCT one cannot survive right? Or TGCT itself loses anything by kicking a couple of lads. But that's only me, and maybe it's for the better that I'm not in charge I 100% agree with Andrea Mussolini here That's a bit too much - I specified ONLY IN VIDEOGAMES
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Post by feng187 on Mar 23, 2016 14:06:46 GMT -5
I 100% agree with Andrea Mussolini here That's a bit too much - I specified ONLY IN VIDEOGAMES I know man sorry about that I couldn't resist as you are Italian, you are dead right though
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Post by Slymas on Mar 23, 2016 14:11:05 GMT -5
We should send the sandbaggers to some form of camp!
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Post by nantez88 on Mar 23, 2016 14:16:21 GMT -5
We should send the sandbaggers to some form of camp! Haha Sand Camp
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Post by nantez88 on Mar 23, 2016 14:20:05 GMT -5
We should send the sandbaggers to some form of camp! Haha Sand Camp A fitting veniew for Sand Camp would be Moe Slorkman Slorking Sands. A round of that place would put the fear of god into any man and they would never offend the system again
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Mar 23, 2016 14:26:01 GMT -5
Hmmmm might build a prison area in the remodel
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Post by Moe Slorkman on Mar 23, 2016 14:27:00 GMT -5
We should send the sandbaggers to some form of camp! It would be the German that suggests a camp !
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Post by ABU_Bear on Mar 23, 2016 14:51:05 GMT -5
We should send the sandbaggers to some form of camp! Haha Sand Camp "This one time....at Sand Camp...."
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