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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 16:33:10 GMT -5
Tour set up for week 21.
CC Week 21
Enjoy!
** EDIT ** Here's the 411 on this course.
Very strategically laid out and can bite you on the ass if you're not careful.
For example, hole 1 has a big fairway bunker right in the middle of where the landing zone is that is VERY difficult to get out of. You can't carry over it unless the tail winds are hurricane strength. So you're left with a small area to land your ball unless you lay up. But then that leaves you with a very long 2nd shot to the green.
The greens are super tricked up. Putting is going to be key here. So get as close to the pin as you can. You're going to need it.
In my first test run I shot 2 under for the 4 rounds and very consistent each round. Breaking par, if you're not a master putter, is going to be very hard.
The course doesn't look tough, but it is.
Practice a lot.
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Post by TimB on Feb 17, 2016 9:56:08 GMT -5
+7 in round 3 really?
Made a bogey. Next hole I miss the green, go to flop, forgot to hit the x button, 4 yard chip into the rough in front of me. Make another bogey.
Next hole miss the green because I'm getting pissed off. Wind up in bunker, go to do a little quick flick of the stick bunker shot, flub it, in rough in front of bunker. 45 yard chip, I have these down pretty good, go to do my little quick flick, flub it, flub the next one, made a 7 on that par 4.
Then just because I don't do anything half assed I decided to bogey the next hole.
So -18 after 2 rounds, after 3 rounds -11 lol
All my own doing for playing too fast and not paying much attention to my club selections.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 10:18:07 GMT -5
+7 in round 3 really? Made a bogey. Next hole I miss the green, go to flop, forgot to hit the x button, 4 yard chip into the rough in front of me. Make another bogey. Next hole miss the green because I'm getting pissed off. Wind up in bunker, go to do a little quick flick of the stick bunker shot, flub it, in rough in front of bunker. 45 yard chip, I have these down pretty good, go to do my little quick flick, flub it, flub the next one, made a 7 on that par 4. Then just because I don't do anything half assed I decided to bogey the next hole. So -18 after 2 rounds, after 3 rounds -11 lol All my own doing for playing too fast and not paying much attention to my club selections. Don't feel too bad Tim. I basically shoot par on this course. And even that's a struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 18:53:09 GMT -5
Since I am not allowed to say anything negative, I'm going to come here asking for help.
I just played my 2nd round on this course in preparation for next week's event.
I shot -2, -1, +2, +1 for even par.
In short, I have no idea how to play these greens. They have me totally baffled.
Two examples from round 4.
Hole 4. I had a 12 footer breaking left to right. I aimed left of the flag and let it go. At around 4 feet out, the ball started to actually break back to the left and then a foot or two after that, it then broke hard right, missing the pin on the low side by about 2 feet.
Hole 16. I had about a 15 foot putt that appeared to be perfectly straight. I let it go. About a foot before the pin, the ball made a sharp break to the left and I missed the putt by about 6 inches on the left side.
In short, any putt over 2 feet is an adventure for me on this course. I simply can't figure out how to play these greens. I feel like every putt is a crap shoot.
One thing I can tell you is how to create greens like these. I might make a video detailing the process. It's really very easy, though time consuming.
Anyway, if anybody can give me some tips on this course, I would really appreciate it because right now breaking par is a major chore. And it has nothing to do with getting to the green in the first place. That's the easy part.
Thanks.
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Post by TimB on Feb 18, 2016 4:24:06 GMT -5
This is just an overall tip as its early and dont remember the holes you mention and not near my computer to go look.
I played with your ghost yesterday, not to see how you were doing for the illusion I'm not out there alone.
There were several times I noticed something and it wasn't that I was looking for it but I was just waiting for your ball to finish so I can go an not be distracted. But several times I said to myself. "he isnt hitting it hard enough"
This will seem counter intuitive and will take time to adjust to but hit it harder. I saw your ball several times come up 2 feet short, straight on line but just short. On more than one occasion it was very evident you had the line, but not the speed. I was too the right of you waiting and I saw your ball come up to the hole right on line and it slowed and as it lost momentum it curled right and stopped about an inch to the right and low. As the ball slowed it caught what little break there was causing you to miss. The slower the ball is moving the more the break will come into play.
I'm not saying drill it. But say a ten foot putt, hit like you are hitting for 12 feet. It will take some of the break out of the line and you wont have to adjust for the break as much as the speed will make it go straighter. You will miss some and go past the hole but once you get the feel for it you will start to make more putts. I know the instinct is to not hit it too hard so you dont go way past the hole on 179 green speeds. But just give a little more juice, just a little. It will take to time get that feel. I'm not one of these math golfers, and do it mostly by feel and gut instinct. I use the marker now but mostly for the downhill ones, uphill I can dial in the distance pretty good.
I'm no putting master and overall pretty shitty at this game but putting is my strongest suit. Follow my ghost on round 1 and 2 and you will see I was nailing 20+ foot putts, several of them. (thats my weakness not getting close enough to the hole in the first place leaving these long putts). I rely on my putting. Knowing I wont get close 60% of the time I'm confident that I can make the long putt and do a lot of the time, if I miss, I have a 2-5 foot par putt left.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 18, 2016 5:17:01 GMT -5
This is just an overall tip as its early and dont remember the holes you mention and not near my computer to go look. I played with your ghost yesterday, not to see how you were doing for the illusion I'm not out there alone. There were several times I noticed something and it wasn't that I was looking for it but I was just waiting for your ball to finish so I can go an not be distracted. But several times I said to myself. "he isnt hitting it hard enough" This will seem counter intuitive and will take time to adjust to but hit it harder. I saw your ball several times come up 2 feet short, straight on line but just short. On more than one occasion it was very evident you had the line, but not the speed. I was too the right of you waiting and I saw your ball come up to the hole right on line and it slowed and as it lost momentum it curled right and stopped about an inch to the right and low. As the ball slowed it caught what little break there was causing you to miss. The slower the ball is moving the more the break will come into play. I'm not saying drill it. But say a ten foot putt, hit like you are hitting for 12 feet. It will take some of the break out of the line and you wont have to adjust for the break as much as the speed will make it go straighter. You will miss some and go past the hole but once you get the feel for it you will start to make more putts. I know the instinct is to not hit it too hard so you dont go way past the hole on 179 green speeds. But just give a little more juice, just a little. It will take to time get that feel. I'm not one of these math golfers, and do it mostly by feel and gut instinct. I use the marker now but mostly for the downhill ones, uphill I can dial in the distance pretty good. I'm no putting master and overall pretty shitty at this game but putting is my strongest suit. Follow my ghost on round 1 and 2 and you will see I was nailing 20+ foot putts, several of them. (thats my weakness not getting close enough to the hole in the first place leaving these long putts). I rely on my putting. Knowing I wont get close 60% of the time I'm confident that I can make the long putt and do a lot of the time, if I miss, I have a 2-5 foot par putt left. I concur. If you ever follow my ghost's you'll see I can lag a putt with the best of them(not bragging I just know it's my strong suit in this game). I don't use the marker as much as I should..because I haven't quite got the "trust" that I'm using it correctly. It's mostly all feel and visual for me. That said...these are some of the fastest greens and toughest pins we've seen in CC this season. I went -11 and -6 on the 1st 2 rounds of Wags tuneup...but could only muster +1 over the final 2 rounds. Pins 3 and 4 are tough. I had a 4 putt from 8 feet away on one hole. A 4 PUTT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 9:42:58 GMT -5
Well Tim, I took your advice, figuring it was just practice and had nothing to lose, and made my goal not to come up short on one putt. I shot 7 under. Now to be fair, some of my approach shots were off the charts good. I played well all the way around. But yes, not being so timid with putts made a big difference. I did pay for a couple of them with bogies because I went too long, but for the most part, I wasn't so far off that I'd not try this during an event. I'll finish up this tour and let you know how it went.
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Post by TimB on Feb 18, 2016 9:57:52 GMT -5
Awesome I hope my method works out for you. Always love to see someone improve and if I had a hand in it then even better, unless you surpass me on the leader board then I'm hunting you down and stealing your computer. Well Tim, I took your advice, figuring it was just practice and had nothing to lose, and made my goal not to come up short on one putt. I shot 7 under. Now to be fair, some of my approach shots were off the charts good. I played well all the way around. But yes, not being so timid with putts made a big difference. I did pay for a couple of them with bogies because I went too long, but for the most part, I wasn't so far off that I'd not try this during an event. I'll finish up this tour and let you know how it went.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 11:35:25 GMT -5
Well Tim, I finished off my last practice tour
Round 1 - 7 under Round 2 - 4 under Round 3 - Even par Round 4 - 5 under
Total - 16 under
Finished tied with you and Jim.
The pin positions on day 3 are very tough. Combined with the firm greens and that day is a killer. But I managed to do something I'd yet to accomplish on this course. Shot par or better in every round.
I think the last piece of the puzzle to my game is coming into place.
Thanks.
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Post by ErixonStone on Feb 19, 2016 18:17:09 GMT -5
not being so timid with putts made a big difference. I did pay for a couple of them with bogies because I went too long, but for the most part, I wasn't so far off... If you make 3 putts you normally wouldn't, and 3-putt once when you would normally 2-putt, you gain 2 strokes. Also, you're more likely to leave a long comebacker if you're putting downhill. That means the comebacker is usually uphill. This week I ran past by more than 5 feet several times, and made all comebackers. Longest comeback putt: 12 feet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 15:17:11 GMT -5
Well, I know this event is still a week away, but the greens are really kicking my butt on this one. Some of the pin positions and breaks are insane. I actually missed a 2 footer. That's how severe a break it was on the one pin. I think 17 and 18, depending on the round, are the worst.
I know my game is off a bit now, but these greens would be tough even on my best days.
Anyway, just shot 6 over for the latest 4 practice rounds. That will never do.
Bigger problem is I seem to be misjudging the approach shots more than usual, so I'm not getting a lot of easy putts. Coming within 10 feet has become a rarity and I'm not sure why. Maybe I'm overthinking things or second guessing myself. But shots I expect to end up at X yards from the pin end up at Y yards from the pin and sometimes it's as much as a 5 to 10 yard difference. And it's not on just the longer approach shots. I've had 9 irons miss by 20 feet. That's crazy.
I'm sure I'll sort it out but right now I'm kind of lost out there. And I don't think it's the new video card anymore. I've pretty much figured out the new reference points but I'm still missing putts mostly because of the breaks on the green and not the distance.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 21, 2016 11:21:44 GMT -5
Not a fan of Chimpanzee Hills at all
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Post by Andrea on Feb 21, 2016 14:02:35 GMT -5
Well, I know this event is still a week away, but the greens are really kicking my butt on this one. Some of the pin positions and breaks are insane. I actually missed a 2 footer. That's how severe a break it was on the one pin. I think 17 and 18, depending on the round, are the worst. I know my game is off a bit now, but these greens would be tough even on my best days. Anyway, just shot 6 over for the latest 4 practice rounds. That will never do. Bigger problem is I seem to be misjudging the approach shots more than usual, so I'm not getting a lot of easy putts. Coming within 10 feet has become a rarity and I'm not sure why. Maybe I'm overthinking things or second guessing myself. But shots I expect to end up at X yards from the pin end up at Y yards from the pin and sometimes it's as much as a 5 to 10 yard difference. And it's not on just the longer approach shots. I've had 9 irons miss by 20 feet. That's crazy. I'm sure I'll sort it out but right now I'm kind of lost out there. And I don't think it's the new video card anymore. I've pretty much figured out the new reference points but I'm still missing putts mostly because of the breaks on the green and not the distance. I never saw the course so I'm just guessing here: are there a lot of approach shots with elevation changes? That could be why you're misjudging a bunch of approaches. I struggled for a long time with those too tbh, and still I haven't figured them out 100%, but what I'll do is basically play a bit longer when uphill and shorter when downhill...how much depends from firmness and club selection. Also keep in mind that sideways winds will have a different effect too depending on elevation - stronger on downhill, lighter on uphill. Other than that could also be the firmness you mentioned to set you off....again I didn't try the course but if it's anything like Yuchi Sunday you may have to shorten you approaches by 7-10 yards...or, if the fairways are softer, bounce once or twice onto them before landing very nicely onto the greens If I get a round before the tourney (if my friend doesn't get a WEB exemption before ) I'll come back to go more in depth on the course (if I can)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 14:17:35 GMT -5
Well, I know this event is still a week away, but the greens are really kicking my butt on this one. Some of the pin positions and breaks are insane. I actually missed a 2 footer. That's how severe a break it was on the one pin. I think 17 and 18, depending on the round, are the worst. I know my game is off a bit now, but these greens would be tough even on my best days. Anyway, just shot 6 over for the latest 4 practice rounds. That will never do. Bigger problem is I seem to be misjudging the approach shots more than usual, so I'm not getting a lot of easy putts. Coming within 10 feet has become a rarity and I'm not sure why. Maybe I'm overthinking things or second guessing myself. But shots I expect to end up at X yards from the pin end up at Y yards from the pin and sometimes it's as much as a 5 to 10 yard difference. And it's not on just the longer approach shots. I've had 9 irons miss by 20 feet. That's crazy. I'm sure I'll sort it out but right now I'm kind of lost out there. And I don't think it's the new video card anymore. I've pretty much figured out the new reference points but I'm still missing putts mostly because of the breaks on the green and not the distance. I never saw the course so I'm just guessing here: are there a lot of approach shots with elevation changes? That could be why you're misjudging a bunch of approaches. I struggled for a long time with those too tbh, and still I haven't figured them out 100%, but what I'll do is basically play a bit longer when uphill and shorter when downhill...how much depends from firmness and club selection. Also keep in mind that sideways winds will have a different effect too depending on elevation - stronger on downhill, lighter on uphill. Other than that could also be the firmness you mentioned to set you off....again I didn't try the course but if it's anything like Yuchi Sunday you may have to shorten you approaches by 7-10 yards...or, if the fairways are softer, bounce once or twice onto them before landing very nicely onto the greens If I get a round before the tourney (if my friend doesn't get a WEB exemption before ) I'll come back to go more in depth on the course (if I can) Thanks. That might help.
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Post by Andrea on Feb 21, 2016 14:30:26 GMT -5
I never saw the course so I'm just guessing here: are there a lot of approach shots with elevation changes? That could be why you're misjudging a bunch of approaches. I struggled for a long time with those too tbh, and still I haven't figured them out 100%, but what I'll do is basically play a bit longer when uphill and shorter when downhill...how much depends from firmness and club selection. Also keep in mind that sideways winds will have a different effect too depending on elevation - stronger on downhill, lighter on uphill. Other than that could also be the firmness you mentioned to set you off....again I didn't try the course but if it's anything like Yuchi Sunday you may have to shorten you approaches by 7-10 yards...or, if the fairways are softer, bounce once or twice onto them before landing very nicely onto the greens If I get a round before the tourney (if my friend doesn't get a WEB exemption before ) I'll come back to go more in depth on the course (if I can) Thanks. That might help. No sweat Actually by the end of the coming week I may have my new rig set and done and I'd like to start streaming more (including CC courses) - I'll let you know. I'll leave you the link HERE
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