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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 11, 2016 4:10:59 GMT -5
You know where i'm getting caught up is when my slice is acting up and I have a hard time dialing it out. Its always there, but after a while of playing I get it under control. But if I'm having a hard time with it those little dogleg left and slight bendy holes I'm missing the fairway by just a couple inches and making my second 2'nd shot tough. If it keeps on in a round I start to lose my confidence and over compensate. You saw that in the round we played Jim in the 18mph wind, I said "heres where I wind up in the bunker on the right". Over compensated and where did I wind up? Plugged bad in the bunker on the left lol. Just for me some days are worse than others with the slice. Yesterday wasn't actually so bad, but man did I miss a lot of putts. A -7 could easily have been -11. I'm still able to make a decent score out there though. Today on those bendy holes if my slice is bad I'm clubbing down and laying up and taking the long 2'nd shot That's why I play inverted axis...my slice(fade) becomes a draw and I can compensate better for it because I play a draw in real life. Does that make any sense??
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Post by TimB on Feb 11, 2016 4:16:34 GMT -5
I was on inverted in summer, didnt even know it. Back when I was struggling I switched it to normal. Maybe I should switch that back and see what happens. I've become so used to working around it though and know exactly how far off line it takes me and how much to compensate. Thats when its in its normal state. Which is about 3 to 5 yards. Bad days double or triple that and thats where it hurts.
When I get back in this morning from enduring the -15 degrees I think I may invert myself on Fossmill and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 5:28:45 GMT -5
I wish I had a PC to play with your ghost wag. There has to be something you are doing wrong. I don't feel this course is any worse in the forgiveness department than the willows. I actually think the willows is tougher off the tee. Maybe it's just me but... oh well. If you are looking for a more relaxing round Drayton will be it. I honestly don't remember the Willows so I'm going to go back and play it this morning and then I'll be able to tell you the difference. ** EDIT ** Just looked up my score for The Willows. Shot 5 under for the 4 rounds. So yeah, that one was tough. But this one is slightly tougher.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 6:06:09 GMT -5
Okay, just finished playing Willows 1 at 6 AM while I was half asleep and no comparison. Shot a relaxing even par and didn't play all that well. Missed several easy short putts because I didn't concentrate on them. Also played in pretty strong winds too.
Willows is more wide open. Yes it has twisty fairways but you have several landing areas and if you play it safe, you're fine. Greens are a little trickier at Willows which is where the difficulty comes in. But Fosmill is a different kind of hard and one that punishes my game severely. I'm not good at dart throwing golf. If you only give me one place to put my ball, I'm toast.
Also, missing a fairway at Willows isn't as bad It's one stroke. I had 3 bogies this round. Missing the fairway at Fossmill is multiple strokes. You are just plain dead with all the sand traps.
Like I said, it's no comparison. At least not for me. If I had to choose between both courses, not that I'm in love with Willows, it would be Willows. I feel I have a chance to shoot under par there. I feel like I have almost no chance at Fossmill.
My 2 cents for whatever they're worth.
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Post by Slymas on Feb 11, 2016 6:08:47 GMT -5
I love the course. But the course does not love me. I can't go any better than -5 (in the best cases). Some of the breaks are killing me. I hadn't missed so many under 10ft. putts in a long long time I'm having the same issue. Played the course a few times and have got -4 -2 -6 -2 this is replays of the thursday pins. I'm finding it very tough to be consistant on this course, but i do like a good challenge.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 11, 2016 6:12:46 GMT -5
I want to help Even if you lay up to the "not so tough" areas on the fairways on the tougher holes and play for par...you can still score -4 to -6 on this course relatively easily because almost every par 5 is good birdie hole. Laying up is key on this course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 6:20:49 GMT -5
I want to help Even if you lay up to the "not so tough" areas on the fairways on the tougher holes and play for par...you can still score -4 to -6 on this course relatively easily because almost every par 5 is good birdie hole. Laying up is key on this course. The problem is, my putting isn't good enough to play for par. If I don't make the green in regulation, it's a bogie for me unless I'm no more than 4 feet from the hole. Anything over that and my chances for par are greatly diminished. Once my putting improves (it has gotten better) I'll be able to do that. But right now, I have to go for every green in regulation that I can possibly make.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 7:57:32 GMT -5
Okay, I figured I'd give it a shot so I took your advice and laid up on the harder holes, which came out to 4 in total for the course. I made 2 pars and 2 bogies. I finished 2 under. What I avoided, however, through the entire round was a double bogie, something that has plagued me throughout playing this course when trying to make the harder shots. So, minus any rounds where the winds are 15 - 20 mph, I should be able to shoot a little better than par, which was pretty much what I did for Willows.
So all in all, yeah, I'd say the two courses were pretty close in difficulty but for different reasons. I still prefer Willows. Not as many shots blocked by trees. More wide open. At least gives the feeling that you have more space to work with. But it's deceiving because the fairways are so twisty and you really have to hit them just right.
Neither course is a joy ride and most likely, if I play Fossmill, I'll also finish around 5 under for the tourney like I did at Willows. This isn't going to be a 28 to 32 under course for me by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Feb 11, 2016 8:20:42 GMT -5
Okay, I figured I'd give it a shot so I took your advice and laid up on the harder holes, which came out to 4 in total for the course. I made 2 pars and 2 bogies. I finished 2 under. What I avoided, however, through the entire round was a double bogie, something that has plagued me throughout playing this course when trying to make the harder shots. So, minus any rounds where the winds are 15 - 20 mph, I should be able to shoot a little better than par, which was pretty much what I did for Willows. So all in all, yeah, I'd say the two courses were pretty close in difficulty but for different reasons. I still prefer Willows. Not as many shots blocked by trees. More wide open. At least gives the feeling that you have more space to work with. But it's deceiving because the fairways are so twisty and you really have to hit them just right. Neither course is a joy ride and most likely, if I play Fossmill, I'll also finish around 5 under for the tourney like I did at Willows. This isn't going to be a 28 to 32 under course for me by any stretch of the imagination. The more you play lay up the more comfortable you will be. Play to the strength shots(pitch from 75 yds in) if you can dial your shots in from that distance...double bogies will be as rare as the DoDo
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Post by mrooola on Feb 11, 2016 8:26:42 GMT -5
But that's fine wags. Under par on a course you think is difficult is a good result. Don't compare too much with others. Remember that the CC tour is filled with a lot of different levels of skill. And people struggle at different things. If players on the lower tiers constantly shoot -30 in the events it will be no fun at all for those in the top tiers. It's difficult to find the in between courses in terms of difficulty. I try to vary hard and difficult courses. Only way I can go about this. You are not supposed to be lighting up the scorecard for every event.
I assure you. Someone will do this anyway. Winning score on CC-A on willows was -42. Imagine that guy playing Drayton Lakes week in and week out.
Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not trying to bash you or Drayton Lakes (I love Drayton Lakes), but I'm saying that this is all a part of being on tour. Some weeks you will be up. Some weeks you will be down.
When I played on CC I dreaded the birdie fest courses. I couldn't handle them. Still can't. When the courses got tougher though I excelled and moved up the ranks. Difficulty is in the eye of the beholder.
This is why I always look at the community in my search for courses. I check the completed sections, suggestion threads, friends played and favorites or steal them off other schedulers if the Rangers see the courses as a better fit for CC that other tours. I'm not better at finding courses than anyone else. I rely on feedback or actual results in my picks.
When I presented Fossmill for the Rangers I thought it was slightly more difficult than Drayton Lakes. I could see how it would be a tough course for the lower tiers, but still I thought it was a easy course. When I tested the Thursday setup I was -7 after 9 holes. It just fits my game. I'm confident that even if it does not fit you, someone will shoot lights out here and finish -35 - -40 and still feel they left shots out there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 8:35:34 GMT -5
But that's fine wags. Under par on a course you think is difficult is a good result. Don't compare too much with others. Remember that the CC tour is filled with a lot of different levels of skill. And people struggle at different things. If players on the lower tiers constantly shoot -30 in the events it will be no fun at all for those in the top tiers. It's difficult to find the in between courses in terms of difficulty. I try to vary hard and difficult courses. Only way I can go about this. You are not supposed to be lighting up the scorecard for every event. I assure you. Someone will do this anyway. Winning score on CC-A on willows was -42. Imagine that guy playing Drayton Lakes week in and week out. Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not trying to bash you or Drayton Lakes (I love Drayton Lakes), but I'm saying that this is all a part of being on tour. Some weeks you will be up. Some weeks you will be down. When I played on CC I dreaded the birdie fest courses. I couldn't handle them. Still can't. When the courses got tougher though I excelled and moved up the ranks. Difficulty is in the eye of the beholder. This is why I always look at the community in my search for courses. I check the completed sections, suggestion threads, friends played and favorites or steal them off other schedulers if the Rangers see the courses as a better fit for CC that other tours. I'm not better at finding courses than anyone else. I rely on feedback or actual results in my picks. When I presented Fossmill for the Rangers I thought it was slightly more difficult than Drayton Lakes. I could see how it would be a tough course for the lower tiers, but still I thought it was a easy course. When I tested the Thursday setup I was -7 after 9 holes. It just fits my game. I'm confident that even if it does not fit you, someone will shoot lights out here and finish -35 - -40 and still feel they left shots out there. I get what you're saying and actually agree with it. My fear (and I know this is irrational) is that I'll run into a course like this, that I know I can't do any better than par (shot +1 on round 4) and think "OMG, what if everybody in my class lights this thing up? I'll be dead last" But it never happens. I've been watching the scores week in and week out and it amazes me how no matter how easy a course is, there are guys shooting 20 over. Conversely, no matter how hard a course is, there are guys shooting 30 under. Most likely, in E Class, which is where I'll be playing this from (thank God) I'll finish somewhere in the middle which will at least be good enough to keep me from getting a strike. With courses like these that's all I'm shooting for and I'll be content with that. Still, there's always that question in the back of my mind. "What if everybody can play this course but me?"
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Post by mrooola on Feb 11, 2016 8:55:38 GMT -5
But that's fine wags. Under par on a course you think is difficult is a good result. Don't compare too much with others. Remember that the CC tour is filled with a lot of different levels of skill. And people struggle at different things. If players on the lower tiers constantly shoot -30 in the events it will be no fun at all for those in the top tiers. It's difficult to find the in between courses in terms of difficulty. I try to vary hard and difficult courses. Only way I can go about this. You are not supposed to be lighting up the scorecard for every event. I assure you. Someone will do this anyway. Winning score on CC-A on willows was -42. Imagine that guy playing Drayton Lakes week in and week out. Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not trying to bash you or Drayton Lakes (I love Drayton Lakes), but I'm saying that this is all a part of being on tour. Some weeks you will be up. Some weeks you will be down. When I played on CC I dreaded the birdie fest courses. I couldn't handle them. Still can't. When the courses got tougher though I excelled and moved up the ranks. Difficulty is in the eye of the beholder. This is why I always look at the community in my search for courses. I check the completed sections, suggestion threads, friends played and favorites or steal them off other schedulers if the Rangers see the courses as a better fit for CC that other tours. I'm not better at finding courses than anyone else. I rely on feedback or actual results in my picks. When I presented Fossmill for the Rangers I thought it was slightly more difficult than Drayton Lakes. I could see how it would be a tough course for the lower tiers, but still I thought it was a easy course. When I tested the Thursday setup I was -7 after 9 holes. It just fits my game. I'm confident that even if it does not fit you, someone will shoot lights out here and finish -35 - -40 and still feel they left shots out there. Still, there's always that question in the back of my mind. "What if everybody can play this course but me?" That's how I felt playing Vallentuna early on in the season. The entire field was lighting up the leaderboard and there I was struggling and limping in at what on that course and CC-B was a dreadful -23 or something similar. Easiest course of the season thus far and I had problems all over. There was a Par 3 I bogey all 4 rounds including practice rounds (apart from a hio ). Just didn't fit my game. I felt way out of my league in CC-B. Then just a few weeks later some courses that simply fit my game appear and I got two back to back exemptions and I end up in Web. We all get that feeling. It's part of the game and I think the biggest similarity in this game and real Golf. How the mind works on the course. Who here on a fantastic round does not look at the scorecard and think if I just can birdie 3 or the next 5 I'll be in contention and then end up +1 on said holes. Or play well and still find your rival is somehow slipping away and let the competition get to your head. This is what makes Golf so beautiful. Lose focus and ur dead. Focus too much and ur dead. Try and play casual you score lights out. Apply that mentality on tour and ur dead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 9:20:21 GMT -5
Still, there's always that question in the back of my mind. "What if everybody can play this course but me?" That's how I felt playing Vallentuna early on in the season. The entire field was lighting up the leaderboard and there I was struggling and limping in at what on that course and CC-B was a dreadful -23 or something similar. Easiest course of the season thus far and I had problems all over. There was a Par 3 I bogey all 4 rounds including practice rounds (apart from a hio ). Just didn't fit my game. I felt way out of my league in CC-B. Then just a few weeks later some courses that simply fit my game appear and I got two back to back exemptions and I end up in Web. We all get that feeling. It's part of the game and I think the biggest similarity in this game and real Golf. How the mind works on the course. Who here on a fantastic round does not look at the scorecard and think if I just can birdie 3 or the next 5 I'll be in contention and then end up +1 on said holes. Or play well and still find your rival is somehow slipping away and let the competition get to your head. This is what makes Golf so beautiful. Lose focus and ur dead. Focus too much and ur dead. Try and play casual you score lights out. Apply that mentality on tour and ur dead. I have to admit, with all my frustrations with my game (can't putt to save my life) this is the most fun I've had gaming since I got my first computer back in the 80s. The community is great. The competition makes my palms sweat and gets my heart beating. When I do well, it's the greatest feeling. When i do poorly, it's the worst. The ups and downs are like nothing else. And I wouldn't trade it for any PC game on the planet. Just shot 1 under on my last practice round. Was 3 under at one point but the lay ups and missed putts did me in. Once I can "routinely" sink putts from 10 feet out or more, I'll be on my way to the next level. But right now, anything outside of 4 feet is an adventure. I am making some long putts (25 to 30 feet) that I never made before, so there is improvement. It just seems to be coming in eye dropper fulls. The good news is that with the new controller, my shots are no longer all over the place. Yeah, I still pull some a little bit left of center which will leave me 20 feet out on a putt instead of 10, but for the most part, that isn't a problem anymore. My problems come down to 2 things. 1) Approach Shots - Still haven't gotten the wind, elevation and club loft down to a science. I should be able to get within 4 feet of the pin on any approach shot under 100 yards, but I don't. Not always. That has to improve or I'll be stuck at this level. 2) Putting - I'm better. But I still have trouble reading the slopes on the greens. At least precisely. However, instead of missing putts by 5 to 10 feet like I used to, I'm now missing 12 footers but a foot or two. Sometimes even just inches. I'm usually right around the hole. Just not in it. I probably lose a good 6 to 8 shots a round because of my putting, which is compounded by item 1, not getting closer to the pin. That's it. My course management, when I'm not being stubborn and trying to make every difficult shot out there, is fine. my driving is fine. My short game is amazing. I can't tell you how many birdies I've made out of the sand or rough around the green. In fact, there are times I think I'm better off flopping out of the rough from 12 yards out then trying to putt from 12 feet. It's crazy but it's true. I'm not even sure if a mentor would help (by the way, what happened to the mentoring thread? It appears to be gone) but I probably could use one. Anyway, that's it for now. Gonna get dressed and get back to golfing. Yes, I'm addicted.
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Post by Andrea on Feb 11, 2016 9:44:23 GMT -5
That's how I felt playing Vallentuna early on in the season. The entire field was lighting up the leaderboard and there I was struggling and limping in at what on that course and CC-B was a dreadful -23 or something similar. Easiest course of the season thus far and I had problems all over. There was a Par 3 I bogey all 4 rounds including practice rounds (apart from a hio ). Just didn't fit my game. I felt way out of my league in CC-B. Then just a few weeks later some courses that simply fit my game appear and I got two back to back exemptions and I end up in Web. We all get that feeling. It's part of the game and I think the biggest similarity in this game and real Golf. How the mind works on the course. Who here on a fantastic round does not look at the scorecard and think if I just can birdie 3 or the next 5 I'll be in contention and then end up +1 on said holes. Or play well and still find your rival is somehow slipping away and let the competition get to your head. This is what makes Golf so beautiful. Lose focus and ur dead. Focus too much and ur dead. Try and play casual you score lights out. Apply that mentality on tour and ur dead. I have to admit, with all my frustrations with my game (can't putt to save my life) this is the most fun I've had gaming since I got my first computer back in the 80s. The community is great. The competition makes my palms sweat and gets my heart beating. When I do well, it's the greatest feeling. When i do poorly, it's the worst. The ups and downs are like nothing else. And I wouldn't trade it for any PC game on the planet. Just shot 1 under on my last practice round. Was 3 under at one point but the lay ups and missed putts did me in. Once I can "routinely" sink putts from 10 feet out or more, I'll be on my way to the next level. But right now, anything outside of 4 feet is an adventure. I am making some long putts (25 to 30 feet) that I never made before, so there is improvement. It just seems to be coming in eye dropper fulls. The good news is that with the new controller, my shots are no longer all over the place. Yeah, I still pull some a little bit left of center which will leave me 20 feet out on a putt instead of 10, but for the most part, that isn't a problem anymore. My problems come down to 2 things. 1) Approach Shots - Still haven't gotten the wind, elevation and club loft down to a science. I should be able to get within 4 feet of the pin on any approach shot under 100 yards, but I don't. Not always. That has to improve or I'll be stuck at this level. 2) Putting - I'm better. But I still have trouble reading the slopes on the greens. At least precisely. However, instead of missing putts by 5 to 10 feet like I used to, I'm now missing 12 footers but a foot or two. Sometimes even just inches. I'm usually right around the hole. Just not in it. I probably lose a good 6 to 8 shots a round because of my putting, which is compounded by item 1, not getting closer to the pin. That's it. My course management, when I'm not being stubborn and trying to make every difficult shot out there, is fine. my driving is fine. My short game is amazing. I can't tell you how many birdies I've made out of the sand or rough around the green. In fact, there are times I think I'm better off flopping out of the rough from 12 yards out then trying to putt from 12 feet. It's crazy but it's true. I'm not even sure if a mentor would help (by the way, what happened to the mentoring thread? It appears to be gone) but I probably could use one. Anyway, that's it for now. Gonna get dressed and get back to golfing. Yes, I'm addicted. [ I srongly believe that with your current mindset and attitude you'll achieve good results in short time BTW if you teach me how to cash in all those flops I'll share all the data I collected on the game about Wind and elevation Just kiddin' - I'm at work now but in a couple of hrs I'll be home and able to PM you what I normally use. Also, like I said, I've no golf-buddies on PC atm. We can join sometimes - I don't mind playing courses I'm not gonna play otherwise in Euro
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 9:45:30 GMT -5
If anybody is interested, I've setup another tour for this course in case the round 2 hurricane winds are driving you crazy. Don't know how these winds are yet as I haven't played it but they can't be any worse.
Tour Name: CC W 19
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