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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 23:24:02 GMT -5
"Loft 4" means setting the loft of your shot 4 grid lines north of the center (all the way up). A 3I from the fairway, lofted 4 grid lines will travel 147 yards before it lands. If you need to stop the ball quicker, take more club and use greater loft. A 3I lofted to halfway between the first and second grid lines will carry the same distance as a 4I with no loft adjustments. The lofted 3I will land softer and have less roll out. I tried it out and noticed that. But I also noticed something else unless I'm mistaken. Using more loft on a 3I, which I did a lot on this course, causes the wind to have a greater effect on the ball. My shots, which should have gone relatively straight, seemed to get blown terribly off course. I checked my swing and it was straight and the trajectory showed it going straight, at least initially, but once up in the air that high, the ball just flies all over the place. How do you adjust for that?
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Post by pablo on Dec 15, 2015 1:16:06 GMT -5
"Loft 4" means setting the loft of your shot 4 grid lines north of the center (all the way up). A 3I from the fairway, lofted 4 grid lines will travel 147 yards before it lands. If you need to stop the ball quicker, take more club and use greater loft. A 3I lofted to halfway between the first and second grid lines will carry the same distance as a 4I with no loft adjustments. The lofted 3I will land softer and have less roll out. I tried it out and noticed that. But I also noticed something else unless I'm mistaken. Using more loft on a 3I, which I did a lot on this course, causes the wind to have a greater effect on the ball. My shots, which should have gone relatively straight, seemed to get blown terribly off course. I checked my swing and it was straight and the trajectory showed it going straight, at least initially, but once up in the air that high, the ball just flies all over the place. How do you adjust for that? Yes, when you loft your shots, you are throwing your ball higher, the more loft you use, the higher the ball will go, so the wind will catch it easier
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 7:04:34 GMT -5
I tried it out and noticed that. But I also noticed something else unless I'm mistaken. Using more loft on a 3I, which I did a lot on this course, causes the wind to have a greater effect on the ball. My shots, which should have gone relatively straight, seemed to get blown terribly off course. I checked my swing and it was straight and the trajectory showed it going straight, at least initially, but once up in the air that high, the ball just flies all over the place. How do you adjust for that? Yes, when you loft your shots, you are throwing your ball higher, the more loft you use, the higher the ball will go, so the wind will catch it easier So in other words, lofting your shot in order to stick the ball closer to the pin without it rolling off the green has a different kind of penalty and doesn't really make your shot any better. What's the difference between rolling off the green into the rough or trap behind the pin or getting blown into the rough or trap to the right or left of the pin? I'm not seeing it as a solution unless you're shooting at a very large green. In that case, just aim for the front of the green with a normal shot and hope it's big enough to keep the ball on the green. Just not seeing a real solution to the problem of firm greens by lofting your shot.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 15, 2015 7:44:52 GMT -5
Yes, when you loft your shots, you are throwing your ball higher, the more loft you use, the higher the ball will go, so the wind will catch it easier So in other words, lofting your shot in order to stick the ball closer to the pin without it rolling off the green has a different kind of penalty and doesn't really make your shot any better. What's the difference between rolling off the green into the rough or trap behind the pin or getting blown into the rough or trap to the right or left of the pin? I'm not seeing it as a solution unless you're shooting at a very large green. In that case, just aim for the front of the green with a normal shot and hope it's big enough to keep the ball on the green. Just not seeing a real solution to the problem of firm greens by lofting your shot. When you loft the club in wind you're actually making the shot more susceptible to the prevailing winds. That's where marker and draw/fade comes in to play. If I loft the club all the way to 4 in a moderate cross wind..I always play marker and compensate a little more by using draw/fade depending on the wind direction. Repetition again is key in this game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 8:03:33 GMT -5
So in other words, lofting your shot in order to stick the ball closer to the pin without it rolling off the green has a different kind of penalty and doesn't really make your shot any better. What's the difference between rolling off the green into the rough or trap behind the pin or getting blown into the rough or trap to the right or left of the pin? I'm not seeing it as a solution unless you're shooting at a very large green. In that case, just aim for the front of the green with a normal shot and hope it's big enough to keep the ball on the green. Just not seeing a real solution to the problem of firm greens by lofting your shot. When you loft the club in wind you're actually making the shot more susceptible to the prevailing winds. That's where marker and draw/fade comes in to play. If I loft the club all the way to 4 in a moderate cross wind..I always play marker and compensate a little more by using draw/fade depending on the wind direction. Repetition again is key in this game. Except this wasn't even a crosswind. If I recall the hole correctly, it was hole 13 which is the par 3 with the small green from front to back but wide from right to left. The wind was blowing slightly northwest, almost dead north but just a fraction off. I used a 3I and lofted on 4 to try to land it around the pin aiming just slightly to the right because of the slight slant of the wind, which was only about 8 mph. I took the shot which was almost dead center of the cone. The ball landed far left of the green and off by at least 20 yards. There is no way I could have possibly known to compensate this much to the right under these conditions. Where my ball ended up made absolutely no sense to me and I ended up with a worse shot than if I had just used the regular club for the shot, ended up in the bunker behind the pin and flopped my way out, which I am pretty good at doing. Have had a lot of practice at it since I do it so often. In fact, I'd say that's the best part of my game, getting out of bunkers. I've holed quite a few out of them and most shots end up within 10 ft. In fact, my best shot is with a lob wedge when I'm just about 9 yards from the pin. I simply lay the controller lever down with the lightest touch to the top. Sometimes I have to try multiple times because I do it too light for him to swing but eventually it catches just right and I'm out. If I could putt as well as I could scramble, I'd be shooting 50s all day long. So as annoying as the firm greens are, they aren't my biggest problem. I can deal with them in my own way. It's my putting that's killing me. The other day I had a big sloping green. I aimed two and a half boxes right of the hole and still landed on the low side by 6 inches. I just never calculate right. I miss more putts by 3 to 6 inches than I can count. The lofting only seems to work well for me on very large greens and with almost no wind. Small ones, I might as well just use my regular shot or if the winds are really kicking up.
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Post by TimB on Dec 15, 2015 8:24:18 GMT -5
Also take note of the lie of the ball at your feet. If it's above your feet the ball will go more left than you expect. If your standing there and the ball is below your feet on a down slope it will go right. You need to adjust your aiming to take that into account as well Except this wasn't even a crosswind. If I recall the hole correctly, it was hole 13 which is the par 3 with the small green from front to back but wide from right to left. The wind was blowing slightly northwest, almost dead north but just a fraction off. I used a 3I and lofted on 4 to try to land it around the pin aiming just slightly to the right because of the slight slant of the wind, which was only about 8 mph. I took the shot which was almost dead center of the cone. The ball landed far left of the green and off by at least 20 yards. There is no way I could have possibly known to compensate this much to the right under these conditions. Where my ball ended up made absolutely no sense to me and I ended up with a worse shot than if I had just used the regular club for the shot, ended up in the bunker behind the pin and flopped my way out, which I am pretty good at doing. Have had a lot of practice at it since I do it so often. In fact, I'd say that's the best part of my game, getting out of bunkers. I've holed quite a few out of them and most shots end up within 10 ft. In fact, my best shot is with a lob wedge when I'm just about 9 yards from the pin. I simply lay the controller lever down with the lightest touch to the top. Sometimes I have to try multiple times because I do it too light for him to swing but eventually it catches just right and I'm out. If I could putt as well as I could scramble, I'd be shooting 50s all day long. So as annoying as the firm greens are, they aren't my biggest problem. I can deal with them in my own way. It's my putting that's killing me. The other day I had a big sloping green. I aimed two and a half boxes right of the hole and still landed on the low side by 6 inches. I just never calculate right. I miss more putts by 3 to 6 inches than I can count. The lofting only seems to work well for me on very large greens and with almost no wind. Small ones, I might as well just use my regular shot or if the winds are really kicking up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 8:26:04 GMT -5
Also take note of the lie of the ball at your feet. If it's above your feet the ball will go more left than you expect. If your standing there and the ball is below your feet on a down slope it will go right. You need to adjust your aiming to take that into account as well Except this wasn't even a crosswind. If I recall the hole correctly, it was hole 13 which is the par 3 with the small green from front to back but wide from right to left. The wind was blowing slightly northwest, almost dead north but just a fraction off. I used a 3I and lofted on 4 to try to land it around the pin aiming just slightly to the right because of the slight slant of the wind, which was only about 8 mph. I took the shot which was almost dead center of the cone. The ball landed far left of the green and off by at least 20 yards. There is no way I could have possibly known to compensate this much to the right under these conditions. Where my ball ended up made absolutely no sense to me and I ended up with a worse shot than if I had just used the regular club for the shot, ended up in the bunker behind the pin and flopped my way out, which I am pretty good at doing. Have had a lot of practice at it since I do it so often. In fact, I'd say that's the best part of my game, getting out of bunkers. I've holed quite a few out of them and most shots end up within 10 ft. In fact, my best shot is with a lob wedge when I'm just about 9 yards from the pin. I simply lay the controller lever down with the lightest touch to the top. Sometimes I have to try multiple times because I do it too light for him to swing but eventually it catches just right and I'm out. If I could putt as well as I could scramble, I'd be shooting 50s all day long. So as annoying as the firm greens are, they aren't my biggest problem. I can deal with them in my own way. It's my putting that's killing me. The other day I had a big sloping green. I aimed two and a half boxes right of the hole and still landed on the low side by 6 inches. I just never calculate right. I miss more putts by 3 to 6 inches than I can count. The lofting only seems to work well for me on very large greens and with almost no wind. Small ones, I might as well just use my regular shot or if the winds are really kicking up. It was a par 3. The shot was off the tee. How far above or below my feet is a shot off the tee?
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Post by TimB on Dec 15, 2015 8:30:39 GMT -5
Ahh crap, i knew i should have stayed quite. Woke up not feeling great and my reading comprehension is way off, especially with a largish post that has more than a sentence or two lol.
So sorry about that, I just kind of burst into this thread without really following it.
Back to my corner lol
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Post by TimB on Dec 15, 2015 8:42:26 GMT -5
I'll try again after a re read lol, feel kind of stupid now. What I do with those type winds, which I absolutely hate, they get me all the time. 8mph a little off center. I would go say 3 slight clicks of the dpad right, and two clicks right of fade. Sometimes it's very much trial and error for me, as I say I hate these type of winds. Good thing about doing multiple practice rounds, if my 3+2 didnt work, then I would aim maybe 4 clicks, or even 5. But I usually always would use two clicks right fade. But one thing that is constant for me, I always use draw and fade combined with aiming to combat wind. Except this wasn't even a crosswind. If I recall the hole correctly, it was hole 13 which is the par 3 with the small green from front to back but wide from right to left. The wind was blowing slightly northwest, almost dead north but just a fraction off. I used a 3I and lofted on 4 to try to land it around the pin aiming just slightly to the right because of the slight slant of the wind, which was only about 8 mph. I took the shot which was almost dead center of the cone. The ball landed far left of the green and off by at least 20 yards.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 15, 2015 8:46:27 GMT -5
When you loft the club in wind you're actually making the shot more susceptible to the prevailing winds. That's where marker and draw/fade comes in to play. If I loft the club all the way to 4 in a moderate cross wind..I always play marker and compensate a little more by using draw/fade depending on the wind direction. Repetition again is key in this game. Except this wasn't even a crosswind. If I recall the hole correctly, it was hole 13 which is the par 3 with the small green from front to back but wide from right to left. The wind was blowing slightly northwest, almost dead north but just a fraction off. I used a 3I and lofted on 4 to try to land it around the pin aiming just slightly to the right because of the slight slant of the wind, which was only about 8 mph. I took the shot which was almost dead center of the cone. The ball landed far left of the green and off by at least 20 yards. There is no way I could have possibly known to compensate this much to the right under these conditions. Where my ball ended up made absolutely no sense to me and I ended up with a worse shot than if I had just used the regular club for the shot, ended up in the bunker behind the pin and flopped my way out, which I am pretty good at doing. Have had a lot of practice at it since I do it so often. In fact, I'd say that's the best part of my game, getting out of bunkers. I've holed quite a few out of them and most shots end up within 10 ft. In fact, my best shot is with a lob wedge when I'm just about 9 yards from the pin. I simply lay the controller lever down with the lightest touch to the top. Sometimes I have to try multiple times because I do it too light for him to swing but eventually it catches just right and I'm out. If I could putt as well as I could scramble, I'd be shooting 50s all day long. So as annoying as the firm greens are, they aren't my biggest problem. I can deal with them in my own way. It's my putting that's killing me. The other day I had a big sloping green. I aimed two and a half boxes right of the hole and still landed on the low side by 6 inches. I just never calculate right. I miss more putts by 3 to 6 inches than I can count. The lofting only seems to work well for me on very large greens and with almost no wind. Small ones, I might as well just use my regular shot or if the winds are really kicking up. even a fraction off center left on such a lofted shot is a draw...couple with an extreme loft and you're gonna draw even more. I compensate right because I hit a natural draw in game. I'd also never loft a 3 iron that much(4 grids) even if the yardage graph told me to do it. I'd go 5 iron 2 grids as you've already got a greater lofted club in your hand..and it's just gonna land that much softer than a fully lofted 3 iron. It's trial and error. I see you shot a 69 on the Saturday pin...that's a good score...don't beat yourself up over it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 8:47:11 GMT -5
Ahh crap, i knew i should have stayed quite. Woke up not feeling great and my reading comprehension is way off, especially with a largish post that has more than a sentence or two lol. So sorry about that, I just kind of burst into this thread without really following it. Back to my corner lol Don't sweat it. I'm just frustrated because no matter what I try I can't seem to get past my current plateau of this game. I've come a long way since August when I was shooting 80s and 90s. Now a bad round is high 70s. But I'm leaving a good 5 to 7 putts out there every round that I absolutely should have made because I can't read these damn greens. I go low, I compensate. I end up going high. I end up a little short, I compensate and end up running past the hole. The marker helps but only so much. I'm still off by 3 to 6 inches a good half dozen times a round. That's too many shots to be giving up. And it doesn't even matter how long the putt is. I miss 40 footers by less than a ft. It's crazy. 6, 7 footers I'm missing by 3 inches. I had two lip outs the other day on consecutive holes. One shot went right over the cup dead center and didn't go in, probably because it was going a little too fast. My driving is almost near perfect, but so what? It's the part of the game that everybody's b%&ing about being too easy anyway. My approach shots aren't great but they're getting me within 10 ft. I should be making these putts and I would be if I could read the greens better. And when I do make an errant shot my scrambling is excellent. I never worry about ending up in a trap. In fact, I'm better out of the traps than I am trying to make a 7 ft putt. It's crazy. Why is putting so damn hard in this game? Why is every green like putting on a sliding board. Does every slope have to be like climbing Mount McKinley? Anyway, like I said, don't sweat it. I'm just frustrated and venting. I've played that Sunday setup about 6 times already and best I've done is 1 over par. Thursdays I'll be fine on. Well, relatively speaking anyway. I still can't putt my way out of a paper bag but I'll get close enough to enough holes to shoot 2 or 3 under par. That's about the best I can hope for.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 15, 2015 8:48:31 GMT -5
But one thing that is constant for me, I always use draw and fade combined with aiming to combat wind. +1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 8:52:05 GMT -5
Except this wasn't even a crosswind. If I recall the hole correctly, it was hole 13 which is the par 3 with the small green from front to back but wide from right to left. The wind was blowing slightly northwest, almost dead north but just a fraction off. I used a 3I and lofted on 4 to try to land it around the pin aiming just slightly to the right because of the slight slant of the wind, which was only about 8 mph. I took the shot which was almost dead center of the cone. The ball landed far left of the green and off by at least 20 yards. There is no way I could have possibly known to compensate this much to the right under these conditions. Where my ball ended up made absolutely no sense to me and I ended up with a worse shot than if I had just used the regular club for the shot, ended up in the bunker behind the pin and flopped my way out, which I am pretty good at doing. Have had a lot of practice at it since I do it so often. In fact, I'd say that's the best part of my game, getting out of bunkers. I've holed quite a few out of them and most shots end up within 10 ft. In fact, my best shot is with a lob wedge when I'm just about 9 yards from the pin. I simply lay the controller lever down with the lightest touch to the top. Sometimes I have to try multiple times because I do it too light for him to swing but eventually it catches just right and I'm out. If I could putt as well as I could scramble, I'd be shooting 50s all day long. So as annoying as the firm greens are, they aren't my biggest problem. I can deal with them in my own way. It's my putting that's killing me. The other day I had a big sloping green. I aimed two and a half boxes right of the hole and still landed on the low side by 6 inches. I just never calculate right. I miss more putts by 3 to 6 inches than I can count. The lofting only seems to work well for me on very large greens and with almost no wind. Small ones, I might as well just use my regular shot or if the winds are really kicking up. even a fraction off center left on such a lofted shot is a draw...couple with an extreme loft and you're gonna draw even more. I compensate right because I hit a natural draw in game. I'd also never loft a 3 iron that much(4 grids) even if the yardage graph told me to do it. I'd go 5 iron 2 grids as you've already got a greater lofted club in your hand..and it's just gonna land that much softer than a fully lofted 3 iron. It's trial and error. I see you shot a 69 on the Saturday pin...that's a good score...don't beat yourself up over it. I'm gonna give it another go round today. The 69 should have been a 64 with all the putts I missed by 3 inches. It's crazy how close I keep coming and they never seem to drop. I don't know what it is about putting that has me totally baffled. This isn't my first virtual golf game. I've been playing these going back to the 80s. Last one I played before this was PGA Championship. I was able to shoot high 50s with no problem. In fact, got kind of bored after a while. But putting in this game has me stumped. Totally.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Dec 15, 2015 8:54:17 GMT -5
even a fraction off center left on such a lofted shot is a draw...couple with an extreme loft and you're gonna draw even more. I compensate right because I hit a natural draw in game. I'd also never loft a 3 iron that much(4 grids) even if the yardage graph told me to do it. I'd go 5 iron 2 grids as you've already got a greater lofted club in your hand..and it's just gonna land that much softer than a fully lofted 3 iron. It's trial and error. I see you shot a 69 on the Saturday pin...that's a good score...don't beat yourself up over it. I'm gonna give it another go round today. The 69 should have been a 64 with all the putts I missed by 3 inches. It's crazy how close I keep coming and they never seem to drop. I don't know what it is about putting that has me totally baffled. This isn't my first virtual golf game. I've been playing these going back to the 80s. Last one I played before this was PGA Championship. I was able to shoot high 50s with no problem. In fact, got kind of bored after a while. But putting in this game has me stumped. Totally. I just carded a 68 on the Saturday pin in 10-15mph winds. If I can do that come the tournament..I'll be elated
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Post by bogeyman on Dec 15, 2015 9:13:19 GMT -5
It's funny Jim. This guy (wagtunes) reminds me so much of you when you first burst on to the forums.
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