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Post by mcbogga on Nov 28, 2015 22:00:39 GMT -5
What's the disadvantage of using the marker though? Even if you want to be all feel, don't see why moving the marker stops this? It just helps fine tune your feel uf anything imo. I think if they did a poll..the numbers would be alarming how many people move it north/south minimally..or very little at all. I know some pretty good players that don't touch it and rely on feel and the putter head/back foot method to judge the distances. One could argue relentlessly what makes you better at this game. I had 20 putts in my final round and Doyley had 21..so my way must be better now....right? You can't use that analogy. I know the marker helps with distances..and Like I stated I use it very minimally save raging down- hillers and putts up an escarpment. When the game studio says it's the way to putt, when several top 10 players states it hurts not using it and every top player with maybe one or two exception uses it - I don't see how you can find an argument here. But it's fine - you are just limiting your own results. If you doubt the need to use the marker - play some no grid golf where it really matters to not leave 7 footers.
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Post by cool79breeze on Nov 29, 2015 5:07:21 GMT -5
I think if they did a poll..the numbers would be alarming how many people move it north/south minimally..or very little at all. I know some pretty good players that don't touch it and rely on feel and the putter head/back foot method to judge the distances. One could argue relentlessly what makes you better at this game. I had 20 putts in my final round and Doyley had 21..so my way must be better now....right? You can't use that analogy. I know the marker helps with distances..and Like I stated I use it very minimally save raging down- hillers and putts up an escarpment. When the game studio says it's the way to putt, when several top 10 players states it hurts not using it and every top player with maybe one or two exception uses it - I don't see how you can find an argument here. But it's fine - you are just limiting your own results. If you doubt the need to use the marker - play some no grid golf where it really matters to not leave 7 footers. I thought moving the marker forwards and backwards had no effect on putt speed anymore? Anyway, this game is so mathematical that putting should be purely feel-based. Putting is personal preference - I always position the marker level with the hole and aim accordingly. Then it's about feel for distance. I'm better than when I first started but I do see a lot of ghost balls fly in from all over the green!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 5:23:01 GMT -5
When the game studio says it's the way to putt, when several top 10 players states it hurts not using it and every top player with maybe one or two exception uses it - I don't see how you can find an argument here. But it's fine - you are just limiting your own results. If you doubt the need to use the marker - play some no grid golf where it really matters to not leave 7 footers. I thought moving the marker forwards and backwards had no effect on putt speed anymore? Anyway, this game is so mathematical that putting should be purely feel-based. Putting is personal preference - I always position the marker level with the hole and aim accordingly. Then it's about feel for distance. I'm better than when I first started but I do see a lot of ghost balls fly in from all over the green! So you are saying that on uphill putts where the game puts your marker past the hole by default, you pull it back to the hole? Moving the marker for sure has an effect on putting speed in that if you pull back and your putting speed is close to where the marker is aimed, you will have a margin of error (1-2 feet or so) if your weight you actually putted at is a bit off. Doyley explained it better earlier on in this thread than I am. I gained strokes very early on by using the aiming marker. Then about a month into my TGCT career I gained more by moving the marker to 2 or so feet past (depending on green speed and slope) where a dead weight putt would go. It would be a bit of work to adjust, but in the long run, I think it is worth it.
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 29, 2015 5:33:41 GMT -5
When the game studio says it's the way to putt, when several top 10 players states it hurts not using it and every top player with maybe one or two exception uses it - I don't see how you can find an argument here. But it's fine - you are just limiting your own results. If you doubt the need to use the marker - play some no grid golf where it really matters to not leave 7 footers. I thought moving the marker forwards and backwards had no effect on putt speed anymore? Anyway, this game is so mathematical that putting should be purely feel-based. Putting is personal preference - I always position the marker level with the hole and aim accordingly. Then it's about feel for distance. I'm better than when I first started but I do see a lot of ghost balls fly in from all over the green! It's actually not since there is the magic magnet effect. If you want to putt with feel only you need to move the marker out to 100 feet or so where it will have no effect on your putt. But it does do a half OK job on default except for downhill putts where it will hurt you royally sometimes.
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Post by cool79breeze on Nov 29, 2015 5:34:35 GMT -5
I thought moving the marker forwards and backwards had no effect on putt speed anymore? Anyway, this game is so mathematical that putting should be purely feel-based. Putting is personal preference - I always position the marker level with the hole and aim accordingly. Then it's about feel for distance. I'm better than when I first started but I do see a lot of ghost balls fly in from all over the green! So you are saying that on uphill putts where the game puts your marker past the hole by default, you pull it back to the hole? Yep! In general I can lag pretty well. I've given up practicing the tours - I'm probably throwing a few shots away at the start but using ghost balls gives me the info I need. I'd be useless without them! The key is not to leave yourself 20+ ft putts!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 7:03:51 GMT -5
Well, I checked the final results of this week and I finished in 26th place, which surprised the crap out of me. Now, does this mean that I will lose my 2 demotion strikes because I finished in the top 30? How does this work?
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Post by smytty66 on Nov 29, 2015 17:46:12 GMT -5
I let the game set the marker and adjust according to the read. It's all feel and there is no way I could teach my method to anybody else. The key is finding what works for you and refine it. (I do adjust the marker on the TST, however; that's a must there.)
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Post by tboww on Feb 3, 2016 23:10:02 GMT -5
Make sure when setting your putting power you try to hit 34 feet (always hit the power to where you set the marker)[/quote][
I feel like I'm a decent putter but have never used the marker. I want to try this and see how much it helps my game.
Doyley when you say "when setting your putting power", how is this done? Are you referring to the marker as setting your putting power?
Also, when you say "always hit the power to where you set the marker" does this just mean how far your backswing is? Isn't it all a guess? Or am I completely missing something? Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 23:28:03 GMT -5
Putting is a bit complex and I'm no expert yet but this is essentially the process. It's 2 steps.
Step 1) Set the marker either farther away from you or closer to you. For uphill putts the software really does this for you and, IMO, does a good job so I don't touch the marker on those. On downhill putts, I move the marker one foot closer to me for every 1 inch downhill. I find this works well for me. But all this is based on step 2.
Step 2) Find a benchmark distance to bring the club back for each green speed, from slowest to fastest and also of course based on whether the putt is up or downhill. You'll also have to take the break of the green into consideration too.
For example, I know for a 10 foot putt on a medium speed green with no incline, I'll bring the putter back to the golfer's back foot. On faster greens, it'll be slightly before the back foot and on slower greens, slightly past the back foot. 20 foot putts will be the distance of two golfer's feet back and so on.
You're going to have to do a lot of this by feel at first but as long as the putting marker is set correctly, it'll prevent you from hitting too far past the hole on downhill putts. Those are the most difficult ones, especially when you've got something like a 18 foot putt and a 12 inch decline. On some green speeds you literally have to tap the ball for it not to go flying past the hole.
Go through the 2 steps and practice, practice, practice. There was a time I couldn't make anything past 4 feet. Now, I'm making putts of 10 to 20 feet with more frequency. As a result, I've gone from shooting in the mid to high 70s to shooting in the mid to high 60s. I've taken a good 10 strokes off my game just from improving my putting.
Of course the closer you get to the hole, the fewer long putts you'll have to make. So practice your approach shots too.
Eventually, it'll come.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 4, 2016 1:38:51 GMT -5
Doyley when you say "when setting your putting power", how is this done? Are you referring to the marker as setting your putting power? Also, when you say "always hit the power to where you set the marker" does this just mean how far your backswing is? Isn't it all a guess? Or am I completely missing something? Thanks Lets assume we are putting on a flat surface. The pin is at 20 feet and the putting marker is at 30 feet. Obviously if you want the ball to go in the hole you'll want to set/hit your "putting power" at 20-22 feet. Now add in 6 inches of elevation between ball and hole. You'll want to set/hit your putting power to 30 feet (at the marker) to make sure you get the ball to the hole 20 feet away. That's all that means. Just imagine the green is completely flat and you have to hit a putt to wherever the marker is. The more elevation, the further the marker is behind the hole - the harder you need to hit the putt. Opposite for downhill. Also, when you say "always hit the power to where you set the marker" does this just mean how far your backswing is? Isn't it all a guess? Or am I completely missing something? - same as above - if you move the marker behind the hole you are trying to hit your power to that marker (at 30 feet) and not the hole (20 feet). If you hit your power for the hole distance you'll come up well short. As for dialing in the distances it's all timing/practice. By using the marker every shot (and using my formula correctly) you'll notice that where the game puts the marker isn't always ideal. You'll become much more consistent with uphill putts. Since the game doesn't adjust for downhill putts you'll find those much easier to stop by the hole as it's really a disadvantage to hit a downhill putt without moving the marker - it can really add a lot of unwanted power to your shot if you get close to it power wise. Hard to type it out so let me know if it makes sense or not. PS - great practice tip is to play a round of golf, give yourself plenty of 30-60 foot putts - push the marker max off the green so it won't affect your putts at all - and then try to get good at hitting those distances. People only have 2 or 3 long putts every few rounds and nobody practices them - if you get a feel for how hard to hit those putts w/out the marker in practice rounds you'll have much better success when it counts in tournaments and are using the marker to aid your power should you over/under set it.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Feb 4, 2016 2:44:18 GMT -5
I've been playing just over four months and until about six weeks ago didn't adjust the marker for distance. I relied on feel,which I think is a good way to get a grip on putting BUT using the marker after that is a help.
It took me a week to adjust - I just couldn't get used to using the marker.
Going back to the initial post - I probably took Q school too early, a month or so ago,expecting to do much better than I did. I found two of the courses very windy and made a right old mess of them, the other two were ok.I qualified for the web but think I must have just scraped in.
This game takes time to learn and get used to - there are lots of variables to be considered for every shot. I know for sure I have a lot to learn,lots to pick up,and having a tough time on the web is good motivation. I would say - don't get discouraged to the original poster. If someone can shoot sub 60 on a course on which you shoot 80 then you can do it too - with PRACTICE.
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Post by roblandon on Feb 4, 2016 4:42:18 GMT -5
How people dont use the marker is beyond me, especially when putting the marker at the hole in a severe uphill put it just wont ever get there, guys just practice with it you will eventually get used to it.
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Post by tboww on Feb 4, 2016 7:28:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the help. Going to start practicing with the marker. Does anybody know of just putting courses that are good to practice using the marker?
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Post by BIELSALUFC on Feb 4, 2016 7:42:44 GMT -5
There are some out there but you are putting off a tee essentially... so the ball bobbles after or during you hit it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 8:01:28 GMT -5
Somebody should make a pitch and putt course.
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