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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 27, 2015 3:45:42 GMT -5
I realize that it is more than likely the missing piece to making that final surge up the tiers, but right now I'm just focused on consistency and comfort as I am starting to put together some nice scores week in and week out. like I said, I'll revisit it, but with where I am now compared to 2 months ago, I'm more than happy with that progression. What's this?? Are you mellowing out a bit Jim? I thought you were impatient Jim "pave the way" McCarthy. Just kidding They say "No rest for the wicked"...but to quote Ferris Bueller "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once and a while, you could miss it"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 7:17:50 GMT -5
Well, I just checked through 3 rounds and I'm currently 14th so hopefully round 4 won't knock me out of the top 30.
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Post by Doyley on Nov 27, 2015 11:03:33 GMT -5
No offence...but I tried your tips and methods and I just couldn't get a feel for it. Since then I've been just going by feel and not touching the marker at all or a minimal amount if I do move it(north/south) and my game has improved 10 fold. I will eventually revisit the marker tips and trends..but for now...the "feel method" for putting is getting me good results so I'm not about to mess with it. Just had a quick look at the stats this week Jim: 1.5 putts/hole = 27 putts per round Scott: 1.241 putts/hole= 22 putts per round That's 5 shots per round, 20 shots per tournament that can be made up on just the greens alone. Any advantage you can use on the greens to get strokes back is a smart play in my mind. Even if you shaved 3 shots off per round (1.33 putts per round) it would have you sitting at 27-under instead of 18-under through three rounds (with a 3 shot lead on CC-D). Just saying
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Post by dorksirjur on Nov 27, 2015 11:32:57 GMT -5
I couldn't putt to save my life until I learnt how to use the marker. Once you get used to it it saves you a good few shots per round. You still need a good approach, of course, but being able to draw the marker to the distance you know, then hit towards that marker really does help.
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Post by mcbogga on Nov 27, 2015 12:23:58 GMT -5
Not using the marker correctly will hurt you for sure. The game mechanic is set up around using it. It gives you precise distance control which is key to reading break and sinking putts.
It's a great system as it mimics proper real world putting methodology closely. Distance control is king. Unless you pass the hole with the same speed consistently and hit it straight, green reading is a bit of a moot point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 12:25:27 GMT -5
Well, at least for me, the marker does work. Son of a gun. I played the Sunday pin on next week's course which gave me fits the first time I played it shooting a +5. This time out, -4. That's a 9 stroke difference. The biggest difference is in the downhill putts. I can't believe how slow that ball goes now. It's almost too easy.
Having said that, I would have done a lot better if I could read the break on the greens better. I can't tell you how many putts I missed by inches or even lipped out. It was very frustrating. I blew at least 3 or 4 easy putts because of that. Until I get a better handle on the breaks, I'm only going to get so good. And so far, after playing this game for over 3 months, those breaks still drive me crazy and not just the big ones. Even the small breaks are hard for me to get right.
Anyway, it's an improvement and should be good enough to keep me in the top 70 each week. I might not ever move up to PGA or whatever, but as long as I don't let my nerves get to me (I'm not great under pressure) I should be consistently out of demotion strike range from now on.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 27, 2015 13:40:56 GMT -5
No offence...but I tried your tips and methods and I just couldn't get a feel for it. Since then I've been just going by feel and not touching the marker at all or a minimal amount if I do move it(north/south) and my game has improved 10 fold. I will eventually revisit the marker tips and trends..but for now...the "feel method" for putting is getting me good results so I'm not about to mess with it. Just had a quick look at the stats this week Jim: 1.5 putts/hole = 27 putts per round Scott: 1.241 putts/hole= 22 putts per round That's 5 shots per round, 20 shots per tournament that can be made up on just the greens alone. Any advantage you can use on the greens to get strokes back is a smart play in my mind. Even if you shaved 3 shots off per round (1.33 putts per round) it would have you sitting at 27-under instead of 18-under through three rounds (with a 3 shot lead on CC-D). Just saying Small sample size which could also be attributed to the fact that possibly you're more dialed in on your approach shots and had 5 more 5 foot putts for birdie where as my same putts were 30 footers...last week the gap was 2 strokes per round...it's a variable. I realize it's a function within the game that will/can lower my scores even more, but as I said right now I don't want to mess with how I am playing and will revisit it when I feel the time is right.
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Post by Hootbleet on Nov 27, 2015 17:18:31 GMT -5
So, if the max putter distance is say 187ft does that mean the green is slow, and conversely a max putter distance of 106ft means it's a fast green speed?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2015 17:45:01 GMT -5
So, if the max putter distance is say 187ft does that mean the green is slow, and conversely a max putter distance of 106ft means it's a fast green speed? Other way around.
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Post by Lowenberger on Nov 28, 2015 1:26:05 GMT -5
What's the disadvantage of using the marker though? Even if you want to be all feel, don't see why moving the marker stops this? It just helps fine tune your feel uf anything imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 1:37:49 GMT -5
The only disanvantage I can think of could be if you figure the distance wrong and put the marker... say 10 feet long or short. For reference sake I have very rarely putt the marker that far long/short.
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Post by ErixonStone on Nov 28, 2015 5:35:52 GMT -5
What's the disadvantage of using the marker though? Even if you want to be all feel, don't see why moving the marker stops this? It just helps fine tune your feel uf anything imo. The putting marker helps ensure you hit your putt exactly the speed you want. The putting stroke is still pretty much a feel thing, but let's say you have a 10 foot putt that travels uphill 3 inches. Let's say that you determine the right "speed" is to putt for 16 feet. Setting the marker at 16 feet will ensure that any putting stroke that is CLOSE to that (14-18) will putt at a 16-foot speed. This is done to eliminate variance in putting strokes that the game cannot represent visually. If you don't move the marker to the right distance, and the game's suggestion is a little bit too short, you'll miss the putt EVERY TIME. If the marker is too far away and you miss (a downhill putt) you'll go screaming past the hole and be left a tough comebacker.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Nov 28, 2015 5:52:01 GMT -5
What's the disadvantage of using the marker though? Even if you want to be all feel, don't see why moving the marker stops this? It just helps fine tune your feel uf anything imo. I think if they did a poll..the numbers would be alarming how many people move it north/south minimally..or very little at all. I know some pretty good players that don't touch it and rely on feel and the putter head/back foot method to judge the distances. One could argue relentlessly what makes you better at this game. I had 20 putts in my final round and Doyley had 21..so my way must be better now....right? You can't use that analogy. I know the marker helps with distances..and Like I stated I use it very minimally save raging down- hillers and putts up an escarpment.
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Post by mrooola on Nov 28, 2015 6:28:50 GMT -5
I know that the weakest link in many of my weak links is putting. I've tried using the marker, but it rarely seems to help me. Everything you guys say about how to use it makes sense, but I just can't translate the distances to metric. I have no clue how far to move the marker on a 5cm downhill slope.
Yes I could change to imperial, but then I'd face the same problem on a 32ft down or uphill approach.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 7:11:21 GMT -5
What's the disadvantage of using the marker though? Even if you want to be all feel, don't see why moving the marker stops this? It just helps fine tune your feel uf anything imo. I think if they did a poll..the numbers would be alarming how many people move it north/south minimally..or very little at all. I know some pretty good players that don't touch it and rely on feel and the putter head/back foot method to judge the distances. One could argue relentlessly what makes you better at this game. I had 20 putts in my final round and Doyley had 21..so my way must be better now....right? You can't use that analogy. I know the marker helps with distances..and Like I stated I use it very minimally save raging down- hillers and putts up an escarpment. Hey, OT...congrats on what looks like your 1st place finish if this leaderboard stays as it is. I'm currently 29th in E class so hopefully I'll stay there and lose my demotion strikes. Back on topic, the marker is helping me somewhat though I do need to work on the breaks. They still give me problems.
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