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Post by theduke21 on Aug 10, 2015 12:45:27 GMT -5
Side idea: Since Euro has an events minimum and PGA doesn't, Winner of all 4 fedex playoff events get in the Race to Dubai as long as they're in top 70 over there?
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Post by silap on Aug 10, 2015 13:34:19 GMT -5
The effect of this new rule, as far as I can determine, is the following: 16 "Euro's" are affected. After qualifying school, as a "Euro" I was invited to go play The Hyundai Tournament of Champions. The T-9 finish kickstarted my PGA campaign. Not sure if the FedEx points system was 'live' from the start; but I'm pretty sure I got them a.s.a.p. From that moment on, called it naive if you like, I thought I had chance of making the Final Four on "the other tour". The T-3 at The Players confirmed this and from that moment on I tried to stay within the Top 70. And hopefully make the Top 30 after The BMW Championship. Together with keeping an eye on the Top 60 of the Race to Dubai this pretty much sums up the goals I set myself, trying to be the TGCT journeyman golfer I like myself to be. And today, 8 months in, I found out I can't. That's a bit harsh don't you think? I'm all for rules and regulations and understand the growing pains TGC Tours is going through, but still .. why should it affect me and others the way it does now and at this stage. Maybe I'm not the best example; "Eurmarican" Andrew Johnson played the PGA Tour 13 times (versus 9 on the European Tour) Oh well, allright. I said what I wanted to say and will follow this thread closely; hoping TGC Tours will reconsider. FYI: I only highlighted Tim's name because I thought it was a funny coincidence his name popped up. No pun intended at all. I'm still very much in love with The Golf Club Game and TGC Tours.
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Post by ed68bogus on Aug 10, 2015 14:35:42 GMT -5
Forgive my ignorance but I currently sit at 66 on the Euro money list, I'm assuming from this that I'm looking good for the race to Dubai and unless my ranking (€) slips then I'm in? Is this correct or do I need to push for something else?
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Post by Doyley on Aug 10, 2015 14:35:46 GMT -5
Not to be too harsh on poor ole Tim but he doesn't have a PGA Tour card so he's still out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 14:43:32 GMT -5
I agree with the earlier post and think for next season only top 50 WGR should be allowed to 'crossover'.
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Post by fuzion on Aug 10, 2015 14:50:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm kinda sad I won't be able to play in the FedEx, especially as I've played more PGA events than Euro ones (18 vs 14). Would be nice to be able to play in them both as I earned my points in each tour.
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Post by blackaces13 on Aug 10, 2015 15:07:17 GMT -5
How often do players play both IRL? I think we should use that number as a base and only allow it in VERY limited circumstances.
I know just from following this thread that Stenson did it recently. Aside from that I would imagine that it is extremely rare. The logistics of the travel and schedule are prohibitive.
I also think there should be consequences to choosing one tour over the other. If not it would encourage many good, full time players to just split their time evenly between the tours which is unrealistic.
I don't think people competing in the FedEx and the Race to Dubai should be anything remotely close to common. Maybe the 4 or 5 best players for the year should be allowed, no more.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 15:20:57 GMT -5
In 2013, the U.S. PGA championship was Stensons 14th PGA event. With the 4 playoffs events it meant he played in 18 in total.
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Post by Kodiak_OS on Aug 10, 2015 15:28:04 GMT -5
It's more common for the top players from Europe to play both vs top American born players. I don't think any American born PGA card holders played in the Race to Dubai series that collected points towards the finale. Ryan Palmer played the BMW Masters but was exempt from having his points count towards the race.
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Post by silap on Aug 10, 2015 15:52:53 GMT -5
The best example is Spaniard Gonzalo Fernández-Castaño
In early 2013, Fernández-Castaño played several events on the PGA Tour, finishing third in the Arnold Palmer Invitational on a sponsor's exemption. He earned enough money to be eligible for Special Temporary Membership on the PGA Tour, which he accepted. This allowed him unlimited sponsor exemptions for the remainder of the 2013 season.[3] He also finished 10th in the U.S. Open, and concluded the season with more points than the 125th PGA Tour player to earn a place as a full member for 2014. (wikipedia)
To be perfectly honest, he didn't get to play The Barclays in 2013 or any other final four tournament for that matter. But he did earn himself a (full membership) PGA Tour card for the next season.
Well at least that would be something.
Maybe I can try and pull it off next season.... (pretty please)
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Post by silap on Aug 10, 2015 16:14:48 GMT -5
It's more common for the top players from Europe to play both vs top American born players. I don't think any American born PGA card holders played in the Race to Dubai series that collected points towards the finale. Ryan Palmer played the BMW Masters but was exempt from having his points count towards the race. This European Tour season there are 4 American players that do well: 24 Brooks Koepka 37 Patrick Reed 61 Peter Uihlein 76 David Lipsky Koepka went through the European Challenge Tour circuit, onto the European Tour .. and is #19 in the FedEx cup as well. Reed still needs a couple more tournaments to qualify for the final tournament. (played 7 so far) Uihlein is on the bubble and Lipsky at least saves his card for next season. So common, no .. but not extremely rare.
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Post by Kodiak_OS on Aug 10, 2015 16:37:11 GMT -5
It's more common for the top players from Europe to play both vs top American born players. I don't think any American born PGA card holders played in the Race to Dubai series that collected points towards the finale. Ryan Palmer played the BMW Masters but was exempt from having his points count towards the race. This European Tour season there are 4 American players that do well: 24 Brooks Koepka 37 Patrick Reed 61 Peter Uihlein 76 David Lipsky Koepka went through the European Challenge Tour circuit, onto the European Tour .. and is #19 in the FedEx cup as well. Reed still needs a couple more tournaments to qualify for the final tournament. (played 7 so far) Uihlein is on the bubble and Lipsky at least saves his card for next season. So common, no .. but not extremely rare. Actually Lipsky got his Euro card through the Asian tour and earned his first ever births into a major(The Open Championship) and WGC Cadilac due to his finish from The Asian Tour. Uihlein earned his tour card for the Euro through the challenge tour and does not hold a PGA card. Reed and Koepka have both tour cards That's my point, most Amercian born PGA card holders don't crossover near the rate of the European guys. The European guys that play both are the top ranked and household names. That's why I like the proposed top 50 only to play in cross over events and you have to have earned dual cards to play both tour's championship series. .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 19:00:56 GMT -5
World #2 Bradley Garcia has played in 13 PGA events, is currently 16th in Fed Ex Cup position and will not be eligible under these rules to compete for the Fed Ex Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 19:12:18 GMT -5
As an outsider looking in I feel for silap and others like him who thought all season they could get into both. Why not just let people enter both if they have accrued the points needed to qualify for this season and then make it so you can only 'crossover' if you're in the top 50 WGR next season?
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Post by drlowdon on Aug 10, 2015 19:19:13 GMT -5
If you've played enough events (something around 12 events including majors and WGC events) and are in a position to qualify for both then you should be able to play in both. Originally qualification for the Race to Dubai was going to be based heavily on World Rankings which, in my opinion anyway, would have been unfair as you'd have people that had never/rarely played on the Euro Tour playing in front of those that had played the Euro Tour all year.
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