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Post by Brighttail on Aug 9, 2015 11:48:35 GMT -5
PGA card holders that have won on the Euro, a Major or WGC event will be able to do this (assuming they meet the qualifications of the final event else it's just the first 3). Vise versa will apply for FedEx Cup playoffs This is were the unlimited crossovers come in to effect. 1 PGA tour card holder has played *15 on the PGA & *14 on the euro. So can you tell me how its fair as the only way he could do that would be through sponser invites in real life ? He done that so he can play both the FEDEX cup & RACE to DUBAI ! That person, I'm assuming is me. While I did not start out the season saying, "Hey I'm going to play on both tours to play in both final tournies!" mainly due to you were only allowed 10 crossovers. I made my decision on what course to play based on which course better suited my game or which course I happened to think was more fun/fair. When they came out with unlimited crossovers, it was at that time I thought it might be possible to get into both. While it is possible it is NOT easy. I had played many times on the European tour and had zero wins and one 2nd place. Money wise i was about 52nd. It wasn't until I won the Open Championship that I jumped up to 8th and qualified by winning on the Euro tour. Had I not won that tournament, I probably was out looking in. All that being said, many people on the PGA tour has won a tourney on the Euro tour, but they have not played 12 tournaments. If the rules state that you can play on either tour as many times as you want why shouldn't you try to play for both the FED Ex and Race to Dubai? Henrick did it as Doyley pointed out. Finally just because you can play on both tours, you still need to perform and do well enough to qualify for both and as I have pointed out, without that Open win, I probably would not have made it, so it is pretty difficult IMHO.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 9, 2015 11:54:10 GMT -5
Just to highlight the correctness of the decision, after the WGC i am 127 on the Fedex and will probably end up Top 125 after the PGA.
The only PGA Tour events i've played are Majors/WGC/The Players.
It would be 100% wrong if i made the playoffs and someone who has played all year on the PGA didn't.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 9, 2015 12:05:27 GMT -5
Just to highlight the correctness of the decision, after the WGC i am 127 on the Fedex and will probably end up Top 125 after the PGA. The only PGA Tour events i've played are Majors/WGC/The Players. It would be 100% wrong if i made the playoffs and someone who has played all year on the PGA didn't. As a note, the three majors, the WGC and the Players all count towards both tours. So that is 5 times you've played in events that had both. I'm not sure if the FedEx has a requirement of number of times you had to play on the PGA to qualify or not. Here is a question, what if you won any of those? Would you feel different? Golf has always rewarded those who do well and there are many different ways to meet that criteria. Winning any major, winning an event, WGR, Money list, Fed Ex points ect. The reason for this is someone may be in the top 10 of the WGR but never have won a major, like Phil M. for the longest time. I feel these tournaments like the FED EX and Race to Dubai not only rewards golfers who have won majors and tournaments, but also awards those who have done well in the tourneys that they have played AND rewards consistency.
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Post by drlowdon on Aug 9, 2015 12:18:44 GMT -5
You have to be pretty good at The Golf Club to be able to play 12 comps on each and get enough points/money to qualify for the Fed Ex and Race to Dubai so if anyone achieves that good luck to them. I'm struggling to make the Race to Dubai playing only Euro Tour events!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 9, 2015 12:22:40 GMT -5
Just to highlight the correctness of the decision, after the WGC i am 127 on the Fedex and will probably end up Top 125 after the PGA. The only PGA Tour events i've played are Majors/WGC/The Players. It would be 100% wrong if i made the playoffs and someone who has played all year on the PGA didn't. Here is a question, what if you won any of those? Would you feel different? Much like RL, If i'd won a major i'd pretty much have a right to play anywhere i choose to. But i haven't. I think TGCT needs to mimic RL in that the very very best players (Multiple winners, Major winners) qualify for and play in both, but your average Joe Euro Tour player shouldn't be able to qualify for the Fedex at the expense of someone who has been a PGA regular - just because they have the ability to cross over regularly, which IRL they wouldn't have. And vice versa.
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Post by ed68bogus on Aug 9, 2015 12:40:31 GMT -5
Here is a question, what if you won any of those? Would you feel different? Much like RL, If i'd won a major i'd pretty much have a right to play anywhere i choose to. But i haven't. I think TGCT needs to mimic RL in that the very very best players (Multiple winners, Major winners) qualify for and play in both, but your average Joe Euro Tour player shouldn't be able to qualify for the Fedex at the expense of someone who has been a PGA regular - just because they have the ability to cross over regularly, which IRL they wouldn't have. And vice versa. Disgraceful average joes, how very dare they, low lifes... Yours truly, average joe number 97...
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Post by Doyley on Aug 9, 2015 12:41:40 GMT -5
So as a European-Tour-Card-Holder, i must have participated in at least twelve PGA Events (incl. Majors, WGC) and listed under the top 125 in FedExCup-Rankings to be qualified for the Barclays? You will still have to have a win at either a Major, WGC or PGA Tour event - if that is true, then the rest of your quoted post is correct except the 12 events is not a requirement on the FedEx Cup and is only a requirement in the last event of the Race to Dubai. The major limiting factor now is that you need a win on the tour if you don't have that tour card. As for Tour Cards - we did plan on having multiple tour cards - and it seems like the only way to accomplish that as of now is to win on the other tour which I'm fine with. It's something we can discuss in the offseason (is there one?!!?) and tweak as needed for season 2.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 9, 2015 12:50:06 GMT -5
So as a European-Tour-Card-Holder, i must have participated in at least twelve PGA Events (incl. Majors, WGC) and listed under the top 125 in FedExCup-Rankings to be qualified for the Barclays? You will still have to have a win at either a Major, WGC or PGA Tour event - if that is true, then the rest of your quoted post is correct except the 12 events is not a requirement on the FedEx Cup and is only a requirement in the last event of the Race to Dubai. The major limiting factor now is that you need a win on the tour if you don't have that tour card. As for Tour Cards - we did plan on having multiple tour cards - and it seems like the only way to accomplish that as of now is to win on the other tour which I'm fine with. It's something we can discuss in the offseason (is there one?!!?) and tweak as needed for season 2. Multiple tour cards would be nice. I was reading the Henrick bio and he has both cards, Euro and PGA from what it said.
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 9, 2015 13:55:08 GMT -5
It's Henrik - but Stenson is what people will understand. No relation to Jimmy Hendricks.
On the tour cards - minimum playing requirements is the way to go. The major/wgc level players won't need so many tourneys as these count double - but that's fine since it just mimics how it works in the real world. The best players get to play the biggest tournaments - nothing funny or wrong with that. Maybe limit the cross-overs to avoid the tour-jumpers by having a set number of "sponsor exemptions" to use each season. Pretty much the system that was originally intended.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Aug 9, 2015 14:00:24 GMT -5
I've always thought - Top 50 in the WGR - play where you like. Outside the Top 50 - you play on whichever tour you have a card for.
IRL this is pretty much how it works. The elite players can pick and choose where they play, everyone else is limited
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 9, 2015 14:09:53 GMT -5
I've always thought - Top 50 in the WGR - play where you like. Outside the Top 50 - you play on whichever tour you have a card for. IRL this is pretty much how it works. The elite players can pick and choose where they play, everyone else is limited Not a bad compromise. Simple enough.
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Post by edi_vedder on Aug 9, 2015 19:31:32 GMT -5
I've always thought - Top 50 in the WGR - play where you like. Outside the Top 50 - you play on whichever tour you have a card for. IRL this is pretty much how it works. The elite players can pick and choose where they play, everyone else is limited That sounds pretty good to me as well. And while I totally like to have the choice each week where to play (based on course liking and things like that) due to unlimited crossovers, I agree with mcbogga, that it would be probably better to have a limited number of crossovers. So you have to think a bit about your schedule book over the whole year.
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Post by silap on Aug 10, 2015 8:59:00 GMT -5
So as a European-Tour-Card-Holder, i must have participated in at least twelve PGA Events (incl. Majors, WGC) and listed under the top 125 in FedExCup-Rankings to be qualified for the Barclays? You will still have to have a win at either a Major, WGC or PGA Tour event - if that is true, then the rest of your quoted post is correct except the 12 events is not a requirement on the FedEx Cup and is only a requirement in the last event of the Race to Dubai. The major limiting factor now is that you need a win on the tour if you don't have that tour card. As for Tour Cards - we did plan on having multiple tour cards - and it seems like the only way to accomplish that as of now is to win on the other tour which I'm fine with. It's something we can discuss in the offseason (is there one?!!?) and tweak as needed for season 2.
I have played 16 European Tour and 15 PGA Tour events.
Current stats: Card: European Tour World Ranking: 19 European Tour points list: 31 FedEx points list: 56 Total number of wins: 0
If I'm reading your post correctly Scott, I'm out of the Barclays unless I win the Wyndham Championship. (Will not be winning the PGA Championship)
Imagine the disappointment reading this two weeks before the Final Four Season begins? Well, if it's true that is..
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Post by Doyley on Aug 10, 2015 9:41:17 GMT -5
If I'm reading your post correctly Scott, I'm out of the Barclays unless I win the Wyndham Championship. (Will not be winning the PGA Championship)
Imagine the disappointment reading this two weeks before the Final Four Season begins? Well, if it's true that is..
It is true and there will be more like you that will be disappointed. Just growing pains with starting this up from scratch and staying 2 steps ahead of the steamroller. No matter what decision we made there were going to be disappointed people - but the way we've chosen allows more to participate in the playoff formats.
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 10, 2015 10:38:05 GMT -5
Don't see why the minimum event rule was dropped. Guys like Marko should obviously play both as he as grinder his way in. Guys that are in just due to having a couple of top 15 placements in major and WGC should not. Have to be a member of the tour - minimum number of tournaments determines that. Major and WGC winners should be exempt and granted tour membership for any tour they don't have for the next season. That would be a great compromise short of implementing excmption categories. There should be a premium on winning for sure.
Makes schedule planning a nessecity as well which is a good thing. Risk reward kind of thing.
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