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Post by wheezer on Jun 19, 2015 8:15:59 GMT -5
Hello I am not writing very often, so I think I am part of the "non-talking" majority I think the time is come to make a break because the developement of this game is simply in the wrong direction and whtat I am also not unerstood is the agressiveness of the community if you criticize the game or the HB Studios. The wind update is major thing which must be implement in the gameas soon as possible because a lot of people (so me too) will miss the fun by playing the game. It is very amazing to watch the Top10 of TGCTour and I think they will also be in top position after the wind patch but is not so frustating as it is now. I know all people are playing in the wind the actual see when they want to play but Sloaner is the only one I saw as ghost who is really playing in high wind conditions. Most of the others either are lucky with the wind all the time or the wind is better on TGC Server in America then Europe or they simply wait. And it is okay if I had time I also would wait for better wind But at the moment we have a desgn of golf courses for a low wind condition and I played fi the US Open 3 rounds between 11-16mph which make the course a bit like a surprise egg. After all it looks like the overall settings are made for the top20 to get higher scores and frustate the majority which is only playing on a lower level then the top players. If HB would be able to implement a wind update where we have a main direction and streng with a tolerance so that not everyone has exactly the same wind and direction this game could be funny again and then this will be the time I will play again. Last point - Sorry but this update is completely buggy because the also changed the putting display where I need to buy glasses now to see if I have to put up or downstairs, also the putting up to the hole is completely different but there is now information if there is something changed or not. Finally the performance which should increased is also going down and now I have the feeling I am seating on an PC which is not able to prepare the game as it should be..... All in all it is going in the wrong direction and I am sure that most people has not the fun it was 3-4 weeks ago. See you Wheezer
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jun 19, 2015 8:43:00 GMT -5
Hello I am not writing very often, so I think I am part of the "non-talking" majority I think the time is come to make a break because the developement of this game is simply in the wrong direction and whtat I am also not unerstood is the agressiveness of the community if you criticize the game or the HB Studios. The wind update is major thing which must be implement in the gameas soon as possible because a lot of people (so me too) will miss the fun by playing the game. It is very amazing to watch the Top10 of TGCTour and I think they will also be in top position after the wind patch but is not so frustating as it is now. I know all people are playing in the wind the actual see when they want to play but Sloaner is the only one I saw as ghost who is really playing in high wind conditions. Most of the others either are lucky with the wind all the time or the wind is better on TGC Server in America then Europe or they simply wait. And it is okay if I had time I also would wait for better wind But at the moment we have a desgn of golf courses for a low wind condition and I played fi the US Open 3 rounds between 11-16mph which make the course a bit like a surprise egg. After all it looks like the overall settings are made for the top20 to get higher scores and frustate the majority which is only playing on a lower level then the top players. If HB would be able to implement a wind update where we have a main direction and streng with a tolerance so that not everyone has exactly the same wind and direction this game could be funny again and then this will be the time I will play again. Last point - Sorry but this update is completely buggy because the also changed the putting display where I need to buy glasses now to see if I have to put up or downstairs, also the putting up to the hole is completely different but there is now information if there is something changed or not. Finally the performance which should increased is also going down and now I have the feeling I am seating on an PC which is not able to prepare the game as it should be..... All in all it is going in the wrong direction and I am sure that most people has not the fun it was 3-4 weeks ago. See you Wheezer mate! Sad to see you go! I love reading your English
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Post by ed68bogus on Jun 19, 2015 8:47:01 GMT -5
Hello I am not writing very often, so I think I am part of the "non-talking" majority I think the time is come to make a break because the developement of this game is simply in the wrong direction and whtat I am also not unerstood is the agressiveness of the community if you criticize the game or the HB Studios. The wind update is major thing which must be implement in the gameas soon as possible because a lot of people (so me too) will miss the fun by playing the game. It is very amazing to watch the Top10 of TGCTour and I think they will also be in top position after the wind patch but is not so frustating as it is now. I know all people are playing in the wind the actual see when they want to play but Sloaner is the only one I saw as ghost who is really playing in high wind conditions. Most of the others either are lucky with the wind all the time or the wind is better on TGC Server in America then Europe or they simply wait. And it is okay if I had time I also would wait for better wind But at the moment we have a desgn of golf courses for a low wind condition and I played fi the US Open 3 rounds between 11-16mph which make the course a bit like a surprise egg. After all it looks like the overall settings are made for the top20 to get higher scores and frustate the majority which is only playing on a lower level then the top players. If HB would be able to implement a wind update where we have a main direction and streng with a tolerance so that not everyone has exactly the same wind and direction this game could be funny again and then this will be the time I will play again. Last point - Sorry but this update is completely buggy because the also changed the putting display where I need to buy glasses now to see if I have to put up or downstairs, also the putting up to the hole is completely different but there is now information if there is something changed or not. Finally the performance which should increased is also going down and now I have the feeling I am seating on an PC which is not able to prepare the game as it should be..... All in all it is going in the wrong direction and I am sure that most people has not the fun it was 3-4 weeks ago. See you Wheezer mate! Sad to see you go! I love reading your English Sorry but made me laugh to....
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Post by Brionne on Jun 19, 2015 14:01:12 GMT -5
All in all it is going in the wrong direction and I am sure that most people has not the fun it was 3-4 weeks ago. See you Wheezer Sorry to see you go bud.. but totally understand your point
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Post by Doyley on Jun 19, 2015 14:06:03 GMT -5
I kind of have the same mindset I have when I go into a blockbuster movie - If I go in expecting everything to be realistic I'm going to be disappointed - if I go in with an open mind and they stretch a few things (hello Fast & Furious) but still entertain, then I'm satisfied.
While I'd love a super realistic golf game I've seen enough info from the developers (one skill level for all) that makes me realize the exact game I want isn't going to happen. So I'm going in with my blockbuster/open mind attitude which allows me to enjoy the game for what it is right now. Add to that a bit of patience (wind fix is coming - they didn't take it away forever) and I can still go out and enjoy the game we have today - it's the best golf game on PC and I love golf, so not much to complain about from my end.
I'm not sure how a golf game can get people so worked up to the point of hostility or anger or to the point that makes them want to walk away but to each their own I suppose. I guess I just like golf too much to sweat the small stuff.
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Post by bentfivewood on Jun 19, 2015 14:08:49 GMT -5
Re: the wind fix. It's easier to pull the plug on it than to implement. Just exercise a bit of patience and the issue will be addressed at the next update.
I'm pretty sure that the fix that's being made was identified through player feedback. It can't be fixed in a day but the plan is to make it better. Short term pain. Long term gain.
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Post by Alexander Salvator on Jun 19, 2015 14:26:09 GMT -5
I feel with you. I lost the fight against the cut on the 36th hole. My third shot hit the top of the tree and bounced directly in front of the retainer. Not an inch space. As I could make a swing and my character was half "inside" the retainer" I thought "maybe I can swing". I could not and lost two strokes there. -4 in the clubhouse. Goodbye cut. I have never seen a retainer between bunker and green! Who comes up with such an idea? This is only the top of many annoying parts of this golf course. Round 2 was just no fun at all as it is in many ways just luck that makes a shot a good one or a bad one. The pin positions in Round 2 are pathetic. On how many holes do you have to keep your fingers crossed if the tee shot or a shot into the green hits the top branches of a tree? Numerous times. Normally I would say: Your fault: Why don't you just play it safe? But with 490 yards Par 4 you sometimes can not play safe if you want to have a chance to hit the green in two. If it was a bad shot: ok. Then I take the penalty of hitting a tree and landing in the thick rough. But I played two really good rounds. Hit many shots exactly how I wanted to. And I ended up with bad bounces, straight putts which were not straight at all, etc. Am I pissed and a bad loser? Yes and maybe. But honestly: If that is the way how TGC Tour golf courses will look like and play in the future I am soon out. The more as the game stutters like crazy since the last patch (and influences the putting) and the uphill putting mechanics (adjusting with the yellow marker) were changed for long putts. All I see is whaaaaaaaa. Then maybe you should start reading the text instead of just looking at it! I gave some points why I think this course is a travesty: Where in the world do you find golf courses with trees directly in your driving lane. Not just one tree, but numerous trees. Especially when there is no safe alternative or the safe alternative leaves you with a shot which does not allow you to hit the green in two ( on a Par 4). You have several hole on this course where the fairway is blocked by the trees. I played my first training round on this course via headset with another TGC Tours player (my first round was -7 and has been my best round since now). He explained the course for me like this: "On this hole, with the right wind you can use a driver. The ball will hit a branch....which is actually a good thing as it stops the ball and and will land on the fairway..most of the time". On several holes the hitting of a branch was a planned tactic. Any real alternatives for these shots? No. Could you answer me how this is an example of a realistic golf setting?
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Post by Alexander Salvator on Jun 19, 2015 14:27:10 GMT -5
Hello I am not writing very often, so I think I am part of the "non-talking" majority I think the time is come to make a break because the developement of this game is simply in the wrong direction and whtat I am also not unerstood is the agressiveness of the community if you criticize the game or the HB Studios. The wind update is major thing which must be implement in the gameas soon as possible because a lot of people (so me too) will miss the fun by playing the game. It is very amazing to watch the Top10 of TGCTour and I think they will also be in top position after the wind patch but is not so frustating as it is now. I know all people are playing in the wind the actual see when they want to play but Sloaner is the only one I saw as ghost who is really playing in high wind conditions. Most of the others either are lucky with the wind all the time or the wind is better on TGC Server in America then Europe or they simply wait. And it is okay if I had time I also would wait for better wind But at the moment we have a desgn of golf courses for a low wind condition and I played fi the US Open 3 rounds between 11-16mph which make the course a bit like a surprise egg. After all it looks like the overall settings are made for the top20 to get higher scores and frustate the majority which is only playing on a lower level then the top players. If HB would be able to implement a wind update where we have a main direction and streng with a tolerance so that not everyone has exactly the same wind and direction this game could be funny again and then this will be the time I will play again. Last point - Sorry but this update is completely buggy because the also changed the putting display where I need to buy glasses now to see if I have to put up or downstairs, also the putting up to the hole is completely different but there is now information if there is something changed or not. Finally the performance which should increased is also going down and now I have the feeling I am seating on an PC which is not able to prepare the game as it should be..... All in all it is going in the wrong direction and I am sure that most people has not the fun it was 3-4 weeks ago. See you Wheezer mate! Sad to see you go! I love reading your English I´d love to read your answer in German...
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Post by bentfivewood on Jun 19, 2015 14:56:50 GMT -5
Then maybe you should start reading the text instead of just looking at it! I gave some points why I think this course is a travesty: Where in the world do you find golf courses with trees directly in your driving lane. Not just one tree, but numerous trees. Especially when there is no safe alternative or the safe alternative leaves you with a shot which does not allow you to hit the green in two ( on a Par 4). You have several hole on this course where the fairway is blocked by the trees. I played my first training round on this course via headset with another TGC Tours player (my first round was -7 and has been my best round since now). He explained the course for me like this: "On this hole, with the right wind you can use a driver. The ball will hit a branch....which is actually a good thing as it stops the ball and and will land on the fairway..most of the time". On several holes the hitting of a branch was a planned tactic. Any real alternatives for these shots? No. Could you answer me how this is an example of a realistic golf setting? I know the hole you are referring to. But you have it backwards. The hole is not intended to use a driver off the tee. It's intended to use a fairway wood or iron and have another long iron or fairway wood into the green. The trees are intended to be obstacles. The person you played with made the gameplan of attempting to get through the branches to hit the fairway. If there's any flaw with that it's in the game, not the course design. In a real life tournament with a hole set up that way, there's not a single player that would plan to go through the trees to get to the fairway though they might go into the trees attempting to go over. Rather, they would lay up, which was what the designer intended. Perhaps the risk of going through branches should be greater, I don't know.
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Post by bentfivewood on Jun 19, 2015 14:57:23 GMT -5
mate! Sad to see you go! I love reading your English I´d love to read your answer in German... I completely agree. We will NOT be ridiculing others' use of English in these forums. Especially when those people for whom English is not their first language are making efforts to communicate with others who use English fluently. It takes courage to put yourself out there when there are those that may ridicule you. Please keep it respectful. Always.
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Post by Alexander Salvator on Jun 19, 2015 15:25:31 GMT -5
Then maybe you should start reading the text instead of just looking at it! I gave some points why I think this course is a travesty: Where in the world do you find golf courses with trees directly in your driving lane. Not just one tree, but numerous trees. Especially when there is no safe alternative or the safe alternative leaves you with a shot which does not allow you to hit the green in two ( on a Par 4). You have several hole on this course where the fairway is blocked by the trees. I played my first training round on this course via headset with another TGC Tours player (my first round was -7 and has been my best round since now). He explained the course for me like this: "On this hole, with the right wind you can use a driver. The ball will hit a branch....which is actually a good thing as it stops the ball and and will land on the fairway..most of the time". On several holes the hitting of a branch was a planned tactic. Any real alternatives for these shots? No. Could you answer me how this is an example of a realistic golf setting? I know the hole you are referring to. But you have it backwards. The hole is not intended to use a driver off the tee. It's intended to use a fairway wood or iron and have another long iron or fairway wood into the green. The trees are intended to be obstacles. The person you played with made the gameplan of attempting to get through the branches to hit the fairway. If there's any flaw with that it's in the game, not the course design. In a real life tournament with a hole set up that way, there's not a single player that would plan to go through the trees to get to the fairway though they might go into the trees attempting to go over. Rather, they would lay up, which was what the designer intended. Perhaps the risk of going through branches should be greater, I don't know. Thx for your answer. Actually I refer to more than one hole. I see your point. But if it was the designers intention to block this shortcut he could and should have done it properly. So we should better ask him about his his intentions. But I think that it was intended as the "risky line" to the hole. But sometimes I miss the alternative "safe line" as a real alternative. Many fairways do not offer you a safe line And the amount of risk is also heavily influenced by the direction of the wind. Which poses another problem: there is a favourable wind direction on this course. It is not like "it balances out during one round". It is just not the case. No wind or a wind from the back on hole 1 is the wind you should look for as it helps you the whole round. For example, on Hole 1 you have all the bunkers in your landing zone if the wind is in your face. With the wind in your back you have an easy drive. But if you try to play it safe and use a 3W you can not reach the green in two if the wind is in double digits. And I could go on with some more examples. And i have not touched the topic of pin placement in combination with the firm settings.
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Post by bentfivewood on Jun 19, 2015 15:48:37 GMT -5
I know the hole you are referring to. But you have it backwards. The hole is not intended to use a driver off the tee. It's intended to use a fairway wood or iron and have another long iron or fairway wood into the green. The trees are intended to be obstacles. The person you played with made the gameplan of attempting to get through the branches to hit the fairway. If there's any flaw with that it's in the game, not the course design. In a real life tournament with a hole set up that way, there's not a single player that would plan to go through the trees to get to the fairway though they might go into the trees attempting to go over. Rather, they would lay up, which was what the designer intended. Perhaps the risk of going through branches should be greater, I don't know. Thx for your answer. Actually I refer to more than one hole. I see your point. But if it was the designers intention to block this shortcut he could and should have done it properly. So we should better ask him about his his intentions. But I think that it was intended as the "risky line" to the hole. But sometimes I miss the alternative "safe line" as a real alternative. Many fairways do not offer you a safe line And the amount of risk is also heavily influenced by the direction of the wind. Which poses another problem: there is a favourable wind direction on this course. It is not like "it balances out during one round". It is just not the case. No wind or a wind from the back on hole 1 is the wind you should look for as it helps you the whole round. For example, on Hole 1 you have all the bunkers in your landing zone if the wind is in your face. With the wind in your back you have an easy drive. But if you try to play it safe and use a 3W you can not reach the green in two if the wind is in double digits. And I could go on with some more examples. And i have not touched the topic of pin placement in combination with the firm settings. Again though, that's not the designer, that's a wind issue. If HB can address the wind direction issue within tours and tournaments then everyone will have the same direction. Every course plays differently depending on the wind conditions. The only problem arises when people exploit the ability to wait for favourable winds. As for holes that have obstacles, one may have to shape tee shots or plan ones landing area better to ensure that there's no obstacle between the ball and the green. That's golf. On that other hole we were discussing, I play a big fade around the trees. Sometime I hit a tree but it's a fun challenge.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jun 19, 2015 15:56:08 GMT -5
I´d love to read your answer in German... I completely agree. We will NOT be ridiculing others' use of English in these forums. Especially when those people for whom English is not their first language are making efforts to communicate with others who use English fluently. It takes courage to put yourself out there when there are those that may ridicule you. Please keep it respectful. Always. Oh ffs seriously? I meant it as in it was a bloody good read! It made me.chuckle a few times and his lack of perfect English made the post even better for it. I wasn't ridiculing him in anyway and I'd appreciate it if you don't make assumptions in the future
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Post by NCFCRulz on Jun 19, 2015 16:02:07 GMT -5
To further this as your assumption incorrectly has peeved me a bit!
I would never disrespect anyone who couldn't speak perfect English and the fact you have assumed I have does not sit well.
Read my post again. I stated that he would be missed and I enjoyed reading his post. Why the hell would you assume that is sarcasm? As I assume that the only reason why you would post what you did.
I respect your position as moderator but with respect please don't make assumptions about other people's posts without queurying first as you are wrong and it is as simple as that.
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Post by hazzard31 on Jun 19, 2015 16:06:02 GMT -5
I know the hole you are referring to. But you have it backwards. The hole is not intended to use a driver off the tee. It's intended to use a fairway wood or iron and have another long iron or fairway wood into the green. The trees are intended to be obstacles. The person you played with made the gameplan of attempting to get through the branches to hit the fairway. If there's any flaw with that it's in the game, not the course design. In a real life tournament with a hole set up that way, there's not a single player that would plan to go through the trees to get to the fairway though they might go into the trees attempting to go over. Rather, they would lay up, which was what the designer intended. Perhaps the risk of going through branches should be greater, I don't know. Thx for your answer. Actually I refer to more than one hole. I see your point. But if it was the designers intention to block this shortcut he could and should have done it properly. So we should better ask him about his his intentions. But I think that it was intended as the "risky line" to the hole. But sometimes I miss the alternative "safe line" as a real alternative. Many fairways do not offer you a safe line And the amount of risk is also heavily influenced by the direction of the wind. Which poses another problem: there is a favourable wind direction on this course. It is not like "it balances out during one round". It is just not the case. No wind or a wind from the back on hole 1 is the wind you should look for as it helps you the whole round. For example, on Hole 1 you have all the bunkers in your landing zone if the wind is in your face. With the wind in your back you have an easy drive. But if you try to play it safe and use a 3W you can not reach the green in two if the wind is in double digits. And I could go on with some more examples. And i have not touched the topic of pin placement in combination with the firm settings. I know the holes you're talking about. Think there is four in total. Personally I thought these trees were placed excellently. If I had a tail wind, not to strong, I would go over these trees and hope to clip the tops to give me a great position to the greens. If I had a head wind I wouldn't dare go for these shots. Each time I approached these holes I had to judge them individually and weigh up the risk factor. Thought this was an excellent feature to the course.
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