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Post by Errol1967 on Dec 13, 2016 14:22:30 GMT -5
looks pretty close to a 30 spot to me. photo #1: single shape green guarded by 3 single shape bunkers, not very creative here. light rough texture usage is very novice sculpting in the deep background is not good (top right) planting aint bad, but thats all i see going in that photo. photo #2: same hole as above, fairway bunkers look elementary, light rough around them looks bad fairway itself lacks any character photo #3: entire section needs sculpting tee boxes not flat photo #5: same hole as above, bunkers look out of place and under sculpted. looks to be a massive 2nd shot carry to green over the bay, that green (as seen in photo #4) is front to back sloping, with a 100% flat front, that starts to slope away from the golfer. green has no fairway apron, so anything short likely going into the water, and depending on firmness, everything else likely to the back of the green or off the back. ----------- i didnt open that can of worms. It says in the post it needs more polishing, its not even ready yet. Looks like some peepz on here just wanna get rid of me, dont feel a very warm welcome here in this cup...or some people just dont understand the way I feel atm with my backproblems. Also very disrespectfull how some people react to canuck. He is still a very good designer and I personaly think the best....together with drivert. I like the designing of mike3000 too. Looks like some people just wanna get rid of some people in this comp, some people are in my opinion not very honest and dont have any feelings at all. Im glad im not that kinda person, maybe some people think too im not honest, but I never lied or cheated in any way. I just have to much pain in my back and not in the mood to hear this kinda stories. All the best. P.S. I think you should replace me for cannyck. If people dont like it or just scared, cause he is a good designer? I have a few words for you...Show him what you got. End of my story.
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Post by tastegw on Dec 13, 2016 14:27:00 GMT -5
you cant post photos as your argument that you dont belong near the 30 spot, then back off and claim work needs to be done.
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Post by mrooola on Dec 13, 2016 14:31:17 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I fail to see any problems here. A contestant has withdrawn. We are after publication window. That is all I need to know. It's a DNF. The group is imbalanced in terms of contestants, but the criteria is still the same to advance from group 1. You need to beat one of the two favorites to win. If you can do that chances are you would have beaten errol too. No disrespect intended, but I am 100% sure that Errols course would not win the contest based on the pictures and he would never beat Fickets wip either... Like I said in the pictures...its not even ready yet...you will be surprised if I can finish it. I have no further comment. It feels like you dont like me...but I could be wrong😉. Anyway...all the best in this competition. I'm not saying it sucks. I'm not saying you did anything wrong. I'm not saying you would produce a bad course even. What I'm saying is based on Fickets wip and your pictures I would bet on Ficket to win 100 times out of 100. So there is no imbalance in the group. It changes nothing. There is no shame in that. I have 0 chances to win myself if I compare my wip with his or most of the completed courses. My whole point was just to leave it as is. There is no need for a debate. No need for a "tough decision". The fact that others think there needs to be either is what is driving me mental on the issue, not you. If you can't finish then you can't. I understand why griff feels let down, but I really don't care either way. I design for my own pleasure and will get the opportunity to compete and compare with some fantastic courses. If 1 or 2 guys can't finish well that's fine with me. There are other things in life more important at times. It's just how it is. I don't dislike you at all, but I understand how my post can be interpreted as such. Sorry for that.
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Post by Errol1967 on Dec 13, 2016 14:31:41 GMT -5
you cant post photos as your argument that you dont belong near the 30 spot, then back off and claim work needs to be done. It wasnt an argument and I personaly think you cant read either. Sorry I posted my bad course.
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Post by Errol1967 on Dec 13, 2016 14:35:51 GMT -5
Like I said in the pictures...its not even ready yet...you will be surprised if I can finish it. I have no further comment. It feels like you dont like me...but I could be wrong😉. Anyway...all the best in this competition. I'm not saying it sucks. I'm not saying you did anything wrong. I'm not saying you would produce a bad course even. What I'm saying is based on Fickets wip and your pictures I would bet on Ficket to win 100 times out of 100. So there is no imbalance in the group. It changes nothing. There is no shame in that. I have 0 chances to win myself if I compare my wip with his or most of the completed courses. My whole point was just to leave it as is. There is no need for a debate. No need for a "tough decision". The fact that others think there needs to be either is what is driving me mental on the issue, not you. If you can't finish then you can't. I understand why griff feels let down, but I really don't care either way. I design for my own pleasure and will get the opportunity to compete and compare with some fantastic courses. If 1 or 2 guys can't finish well that's fine with me. There are other things in life more important at times. It's just how it is. I don't dislike you at all, but I understand how my post can be interpreted as such. Sorry for that. Ok, no problem. I think Griff did a great job to create this comp and I respect him. Just wanna say to all members in this competition....sorry for all the trouble, this was not ment to be. Thats all I have to say about it. Peace.
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Dec 13, 2016 14:44:18 GMT -5
Wowzers, a lot has come of this between when I left for work this morning and my lunch break. A couple of things: Errol1967. That seeding mark was by no means meant in disrespect, but the fact is we haven't seen much out of you, so you're a bit of an unknown commodity. Same holds true with BurtonCat in my group. He'd rank low because he has no real portfolio to speak of either ... doesn't mean I'm looking past him in my group. In fact, that makes me a little more nervous because I don't know what he's capable of. I was very much in that same boat in my first comp. Didn't bother me, just made be eager to show what I've got and try to make a name for myself. Maybe you would have put something out to make Arctic Fury blush, but we'll never know on the account of your WD. It is what it is in that regard. Crazycanuck1985. You know what I think of your chops as a designer and have the utmost respect for what you do. My only pause for concern is more with keeping the balance of the format than including or excluding anyone in particular. Like I said previous, I'm fine with whatever comes of this as I have full trust that Griff has the best interest of the competition in mind. That's all I can ask for. Personally, I could careless if I win. Sure, I'd love for my course to do well, but the biggest reason I got into this event is the same reason I got into the CC Showdown and the HB Rookie Event prior to that -- to push myself to become a better designer. I feel like that's happened with this course ... the feedback come judging time will determine if that's actually the case.
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Post by tastegw on Dec 13, 2016 14:57:41 GMT -5
you cant post photos as your argument that you dont belong near the 30 spot, then back off and claim work needs to be done. It wasnt an argument and I personaly think you cant read either. Sorry I posted my bad course. hey man, you seem to be getting very upset and losing track of what you have said, you said: all i have said was, it looks to be near a 30 spot based on the photo's provided, the same photos you used to say its not a 30 spot. you can't use the "unfinished" argument here, its invalid to the argument once you used the photos, your work is your work, your photos are the photos you chose, and we have to assume those were the best you could come up with.
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Post by Errol1967 on Dec 13, 2016 15:04:10 GMT -5
It wasnt an argument and I personaly think you cant read either. Sorry I posted my bad course. hey man, you seem to be getting very upset and losing track of what you have said, you said: all i have said was, it looks to be near a 30 spot based on the photo's provided, the same photos you used to say its not a 30 spot. you can't use the "unfinished" argument here, its invalid to the argument once you used the photos, your work is your work, your photos are the photos you chose, and we have to assume those were the best you could come up with. Those are old photos from more as three months ago. I changed a lott on the course, but didnt take any screens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 15:24:22 GMT -5
Ok...Ok....Ok....there's really no reason for this train to keep going without tracks. Errol1967 , this is not a case of anybody here liking you or not liking you. This certainly is not a case of people being afraid of competition. It's as simple as had any of the designers mentioned been a part of the seeding process the groups would look much different than they do now. The field had been set, and I'll admit that if I was part of the competition I would be a bit pissed if the goal line had been moved on me a couple of weeks away from the deadline. The brushback you get from your original post is just something you have to take on the chin, grin and bare it, learn from it, and move on. It's why I explained that the tone of your post made it sound like it was because of another game. It really doesn't matter to me, but you would have been better served just saying "life circumstances are such that I won't be able to finish" and moved on. It is what it is, man. I have zero ill feelings towards you, so nothing to sweat here. What you are seeing is that the design community is a community within a community. We talk a lot amongst each other, we bounce ideas off of each other, we trade technique ideas with each other, we critique one another, etc, etc, etc...long story short, the design community is more tight-knit than most would ever suspect. It doesn't mean we are elitists or exclusive, but we are a prickly lot...especially when it comes to contests. To the field: as stated, I have no intent on adding designers to the mix unless you guys specifically request it. Had any of this been before the publish window opened I may have felt differently, but once we reached the point I feel that the field is locked. The dynamics just change way too much for my tastes once we start moving people in and out. Anyways, good luck in the coming weeks, guys. Looking forward to finally breaking the seal on this vault and giving these a look.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 13, 2016 15:43:15 GMT -5
I am genuinely afraid of what tastegw says about my course...is there any way to bar him from playing it? Maybe a custom "No Taste Allowed" sign at the entrance to the clubhouse? Who at HB do I need to speak to in order to make this happen? mrooola wont' speak for the others, but my post was just throwing in an opinion, by no means was trying to make a big deal of anything. As you can tell, I'm quite serious most of the time (...... ) so I figured I'd chime in...for some reason. Agree with your position, and that of Griff's, and feel it's best if we all just move forward as those of us yet to publish are trying to avoid any thumb/finger injuries that may occur as a result of excessive typing - safety first. In the effort of keeping this thread on topic, I would humbly suggest we end discussion of the "never-to-be-published-course-that-shall-not-be-named" as it only stirs the pot. Can make for some humorous reading, but it's probably not in the real spirit of the competition. Everything I've played that has been published so far has been great, hope I can rise up to the level of my fellow competitors by Jan 1.
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Post by tastegw on Dec 13, 2016 16:04:56 GMT -5
I am genuinely afraid of what tastegw says about my course...is there any way to bar him from playing it? Maybe a custom "No Taste Allowed" sign at the entrance to the clubhouse? Who at HB do I need to speak to in order to make this happen? no worries, i bring tissues with me to hand out. also, DDawg left a box of Depends on my car from my last outing at his course, you can have those as well if needed.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Dec 13, 2016 16:22:22 GMT -5
no worries, i bring tissues with me to hand out. also, DDawg left a box of Depends on my car from my last outing at his course, you can have those as well if needed. How considerate of you. As much as I appreciate the offer to provide materials for whipping up tears and keeping my white pants...white...just call a few days ahead for your tee time and I'll down one of these before you arrive:
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Post by titaneddie on Dec 13, 2016 16:29:48 GMT -5
Lets see what taste thinks of my competition course. I was having publishing issues so I'm having someone else publish it for me. Just keep an eye out for a course called Sawback Ridge. Not exactly sure when it'll be ready...
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Post by coggin66 on Dec 13, 2016 16:34:22 GMT -5
I've got no new courses on the go and I'm not sure if I will be able to finish one in time. So if you want a cast iron commitment to finishing an entry then I'm out for this one. However, can I make a suggestion? What about having a full list of interested entrants (that can be allocated to vet / non-vets) but don't do the draw until the completion date? That way you avoid any byes. Also someone who is a maybe like me can try to get something done but if we don't it doesn't spoil the contest. This could have been avoided with my suggestion above! Only stirring, Griff! :-)
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Post by tastegw on Dec 13, 2016 16:50:25 GMT -5
no worries, i bring tissues with me to hand out. also, DDawg left a box of Depends on my car from my last outing at his course, you can have those as well if needed. How considerate of you. As much as I appreciate the offer to provide materials for whipping up tears and keeping my white pants...white...just call a few days ahead for your tee time and I'll down one of these before you arrive: be sure to have a small stock of this as well ima need it me thinks!
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