|
Post by Han on Dec 13, 2016 10:04:53 GMT -5
If it helps out and you want an easier target to go up against than Andre then you could use my latest I just published.
One thing that may cause an issue would be that I know Griff has already played it as at that point it wasn't a competition course.
I'm not fussed either way, just thought I would give you another option *shrug*
|
|
|
Post by staypuft39 on Dec 13, 2016 10:06:28 GMT -5
Tough situation for Griff, for sure. But in the end, hopefully all the designers take a relaxed approach. The cream will rise to the top regardless.
And if you guys need someone with limited experience to fill the bracket, I may know a guy ;-)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 10:45:24 GMT -5
THIS is the problem with making changes after the publish window opens. Before that date I can make changes without upsetting the balance or expectations much, but things have been pretty locked in for awhile now. It's also why I put some of the decisions back in your (the designers) court. It's also why I said I can't guarantee the experience level of a replacement. PYates had messaged me saying he would prefer to be replaced if possible, but I kinda balked at the notion given we are this close to judging. Andre, Han, staypuft, and Hershal all have courses that could likely sub in, but that opens the door to said controversy I mentioned to Eroll.
Andre and Han are known quantities, and I think most would think it unfair to put them in a "non-vet" slot if you look at it from the perspective of competitive balance. You can make the argument for "we want the best courses top to bottom", but that's for all of you to decide. I lean against it in being fair to group A. Matt (staypuft) and hershalcrustofsk may be unknown to many, but I'm not sure you want to see them slide into the bottom of your group either. I mean, that's 2 of your final 4 from the Web.com Finals contest right there....both of those guys have serious chops in the GNCD. I would be MORE open to one of them subbing in, but even that could piss people off.
I'm hesitant to use Han's course at this point because it's already been featured on TGCT AfterDark and being pinned for play on tour. Andre would be fine as a sub for pyates in my opinion, but I'm not making that call without you guys signing off on it, specifically the designers in that group. Staypuft is almost ready to publish, so same deal... you guys make the call.
At this point I'm more inclined to keep things as they are. Eroll will effectively count as a +3 for the remaining courses in the group, and those 3 courses will just play out the head to head as planned. If you guys think we should fill in the gaps (specifically the designers in the groups that would be effected), then I'll move forward with that goal...otherwise I'll keep what we have.
|
|
|
Post by scampi00 on Dec 13, 2016 11:37:48 GMT -5
To make things a little lighter and more positive in this thread, @griff we all still appreciate what you continue to set up for us here. Alot of work goes into planning and executing this kind of stuff and it doesn't go unnoticed.
I for one am still really geeked for this competition.
|
|
|
Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Dec 13, 2016 11:52:03 GMT -5
I could always just submit my very first TGC approved course, The Perigrine at Beechwood Hills. Look at that magestic bunker work and planting....all in the widely popular rural theme. Get ready to lose! I will withdraw my name as a possible replacement though. Griff has done a great job in balancing the brackets, so I don't want to cause any controversy. Have fun guys!
|
|
|
Post by Errol1967 on Dec 13, 2016 12:31:49 GMT -5
An alternative method would be to judge the three courses left over from that group in a different way. On one hand, if we add canuck or another HIGHLY touted designer it would be unfair, but if we add a designer who isnt as highly regarded or an unknown, then aren't we really just chalking that person up as an L? Serving them up as cannon fodder so to speak? IMO it might be easiest to count all of the matchups against Errol as wins, and then a committee of judges needs to privately decide the fate of the remaining 3 courses from that bracket. Ideally, there will be two clear cut favorites from that group. Theoretically couldn't Errol just autogen a course, slap a name on it and that's his submission. Then we proceed as planned? Hopefully everyone else finishes their course to prevent this going forward. I know it's rough to put out something decent but the time frame was generous. Seth out. I can autogen a course, or just publish my course, even if its not finished. If I can solve this problem in this matter, I have no problem with it. I can always edit my course afterwards can I?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 13:10:38 GMT -5
An alternative method would be to judge the three courses left over from that group in a different way. On one hand, if we add canuck or another HIGHLY touted designer it would be unfair, but if we add a designer who isnt as highly regarded or an unknown, then aren't we really just chalking that person up as an L? Serving them up as cannon fodder so to speak? IMO it might be easiest to count all of the matchups against Errol as wins, and then a committee of judges needs to privately decide the fate of the remaining 3 courses from that bracket. Ideally, there will be two clear cut favorites from that group. Theoretically couldn't Errol just autogen a course, slap a name on it and that's his submission. Then we proceed as planned? Hopefully everyone else finishes their course to prevent this going forward. I know it's rough to put out something decent but the time frame was generous. Seth out. I can autogen a course, or just publish my course, even if its not finished. If I can solve this problem in this matter, I have no problem with it. I can always edit my course afterwards can I? Absolutely no on the autogen. To be honest, if the the course isn't published in an attempt to be competitive then there's no reason whatsoever to just throw one out there. The end result will just be 3 points to each of the other designers in the group, so there's really no difference than just DNF and being done with the matter.
|
|
|
Post by scampi00 on Dec 13, 2016 13:19:39 GMT -5
I can autogen a course, or just publish my course, even if its not finished. If I can solve this problem in this matter, I have no problem with it. I can always edit my course afterwards can I? Absolutely no on the autogen. To be honest, if the the course isn't published in an attempt to be competitive then there's no reason whatsoever to just throw one out there. The end result will just be 3 points to each of the other designers in the group, so there's really no difference than just DNF and being done with the matter. Yeah Errol, I was more just pointing out that there wouldn't be much difference between a DNF and an autogen. Not that you'd actually have to submit one.
|
|
reebdoog
TGCT Design Competition Directors
Posts: 2,742
TGCT Name: Brian Jeffords
Tour: CC-Pro
|
Post by reebdoog on Dec 13, 2016 13:34:20 GMT -5
look if someone didn't finish they didn't finish. Don't add anyone. Don't change anything. Having a DNF was expected at some point anyway. Everyone just live with three courses in that group and avoid the craziness. That's my take.
I have no problem competing against anyone at all...but for the sake of a good contest the field was set...and it should stay set.
|
|
|
Post by mrooola on Dec 13, 2016 13:38:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I fail to see any problems here. A contestant has withdrawn. We are after publication window. That is all I need to know.
It's a DNF.
The group is imbalanced in terms of contestants, but the criteria is still the same to advance from group 1. You need to beat one of the two favorites to win. If you can do that chances are you would have beaten errol too. No disrespect intended, but I am 100% sure that Errols course would not win the contest based on the pictures and he would never beat Fickets wip either...
I told my self I wouldn't meddle in this, because I really don't care that someone dropped out or if griff decided to replace him, but The fact that everyone acts like griff has this big and difficult decission to make though is driving me absolutely mental...
no.. it's not a big decision. Just leave it... it changes NOTHING.
I'd love to have Han, canuck, staypuft and hershalkrustofsk in this from the start. They weren't. End of story.
|
|
|
Post by mrooola on Dec 13, 2016 13:39:27 GMT -5
look if someone didn't finish they didn't finish. Don't add anyone. Don't change anything. Having a DNF was expected at some point anyway. Everyone just live with three courses in that group and avoid the craziness. That's my take. I have no problem competing against anyone at all...but for the sake of a good contest the field was set...and it should stay set. Thank you. A more appropriate way to say what I just did...
|
|
|
Post by tastegw on Dec 13, 2016 13:45:52 GMT -5
looks pretty close to a 30 spot to me. photo #1: single shape green guarded by 3 single shape bunkers, not very creative here. light rough texture usage is very novice sculpting in the deep background is not good (top right) planting aint bad, but thats all i see going in that photo. photo #2: same hole as above, fairway bunkers look elementary, light rough around them looks bad fairway itself lacks any character photo #3: entire section needs sculpting tee boxes not flat photo #5: same hole as above, bunkers look out of place and under sculpted. looks to be a massive 2nd shot carry to green over the bay, that green (as seen in photo #4) is front to back sloping, with a 100% flat front, that starts to slope away from the golfer. green has no fairway apron, so anything short likely going into the water, and depending on firmness, everything else likely to the back of the green or off the back. ----------- i didnt open that can of worms.
|
|
|
Post by tastegw on Dec 13, 2016 13:57:29 GMT -5
btw, who can name this course: lol (its terrible)
|
|
|
Post by Errol1967 on Dec 13, 2016 14:09:58 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I fail to see any problems here. A contestant has withdrawn. We are after publication window. That is all I need to know. It's a DNF. The group is imbalanced in terms of contestants, but the criteria is still the same to advance from group 1. You need to beat one of the two favorites to win. If you can do that chances are you would have beaten errol too. No disrespect intended, but I am 100% sure that Errols course would not win the contest based on the pictures and he would never beat Fickets wip either... Like I said in the pictures...its not even ready yet...you will be surprised if I can finish it. I have no further comment. It feels like you dont like me...but I could be wrong😉. Anyway...all the best in this competition.
|
|
|
Post by scampi00 on Dec 13, 2016 14:17:56 GMT -5
btw, who can name this course: lol (its terrible) No idea. That bridge retaining wall is pretty sweet from afar. That fairway looks like a different story.
|
|