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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 27, 2015 14:48:15 GMT -5
So you do actually use anywhere between 150 and 200? Perhaps nothing more precise than like 5 or 10% at a time? when it comes to head and tail winds you have to think about the ball flight and what you are doing to it. say you are playing a firm course with fast greens. You have 156 yards into the wind (9 mph). With this the wind I would add 14 yards to make the shot 170, or a 5 iron. Now if I wanted to land it with a little more back spin and say club up to a 4i, then you might need to double the wind as the shot will fly higher. Also you have to factor in roll as well. when it comes to lw-9i, I always take double the wind because the ball is hit so much higher. When it comes to Pitches, it seems there is no effect when it comes to head or tail wind. Doyley, can you confirm that? I dont know, I still struggle with diagonal head and tail winds though, but those numbers see to work for me. hope that helps I find with pitching I add or takeaway 1 yard for.Every 5mph so very minimal but it does have a minor effect
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Post by mnguy12000 on Mar 27, 2015 14:50:15 GMT -5
when it comes to head and tail winds you have to think about the ball flight and what you are doing to it. say you are playing a firm course with fast greens. You have 156 yards into the wind (9 mph). With this the wind I would add 14 yards to make the shot 170, or a 5 iron. Now if I wanted to land it with a little more back spin and say club up to a 4i, then you might need to double the wind as the shot will fly higher. Also you have to factor in roll as well. when it comes to lw-9i, I always take double the wind because the ball is hit so much higher. When it comes to Pitches, it seems there is no effect when it comes to head or tail wind. Doyley, can you confirm that? I dont know, I still struggle with diagonal head and tail winds though, but those numbers see to work for me. hope that helps I find with pitching I add or takeaway 1 yard for.Every 5mph so very minimal but it does have a minor effect I'll try the 1 for every 5, what do you do for tail wind? Nothing?
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 27, 2015 14:54:12 GMT -5
I find with pitching I add or takeaway 1 yard for.Every 5mph so very minimal but it does have a minor effect I'll try the 1 for every 5, what do you do for tail wind? Nothing? The same, 1 yard for every 5
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Post by edi_vedder on Mar 27, 2015 19:02:04 GMT -5
I find with pitching I add or takeaway 1 yard for.Every 5mph so very minimal but it does have a minor effect I would second/confirm that. It is minimal, but sometimes the difference between an average or a great shot (or even a chipped in birdie/eagle).
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Post by tastyhotschmoes on Apr 6, 2015 13:48:36 GMT -5
Question: The Carry Yardage Chart lists 1, 2, 3, 4...are those the "lines" or the spaces? If they are lines...then when adjusting to the first line ("above" the centerline), I should get the desired distance (if all factors are neutral)...or is the the space...in which case, adjusting to the center of the space will yield the desired distance (if all factors neutral).
For example: 8iron at "1" is listed as 145. Is the "1" the space or the line?
EDIT: "the next grid line on the loft adjustment grid in-game (4 being max loft)"
Sometimes the percentages at each line vary..is that consistent per club? 86% on some clubs..90% on other clubs...etc.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 6, 2015 15:39:16 GMT -5
Question: The Carry Yardage Chart lists 1, 2, 3, 4...are those the "lines" or the spaces? If they are lines...then when adjusting to the first line ("above" the centerline), I should get the desired distance (if all factors are neutral)...or is the the space...in which case, adjusting to the center of the space will yield the desired distance (if all factors neutral). For example: 8iron at "1" is listed as 145. Is the "1" the space or the line? EDIT: "the next grid line on the loft adjustment grid in-game (4 being max loft)" Sometimes the percentages at each line vary..is that consistent per club? 86% on some clubs..90% on other clubs...etc. Sometimes the percentages at each line vary..is that consistent per club? 86% on some clubs..90% on other clubs...etc. The chart takes into account most of the changes - I haven't been through it for a couple of updates so if they've tweaked any it may be off a bit. For example: 8iron at "1" is listed as 145. Is the "1" the space or the line? 8i at "1" is 126 - an 8i with no loft adjustments is 145 - the 1 would be the first line above the default loft setting.
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Post by ukwildcats4life on Apr 12, 2015 10:27:30 GMT -5
Good work putting this together but I don't understand your process when hitting out of the rough or sand. Just isn't working for me
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 13, 2015 21:24:54 GMT -5
Question: The Carry Yardage Chart lists 1, 2, 3, 4...are those the "lines" or the spaces? If they are lines...then when adjusting to the first line ("above" the centerline), I should get the desired distance (if all factors are neutral)...or is the the space...in which case, adjusting to the center of the space will yield the desired distance (if all factors neutral). For example: 8iron at "1" is listed as 145. Is the "1" the space or the line? EDIT: "the next grid line on the loft adjustment grid in-game (4 being max loft)" Sometimes the percentages at each line vary..is that consistent per club? 86% on some clubs..90% on other clubs...etc. Sometimes the percentages at each line vary..is that consistent per club? 86% on some clubs..90% on other clubs...etc. The chart takes into account most of the changes - I haven't been through it for a couple of updates so if they've tweaked any it may be off a bit. For example: 8iron at "1" is listed as 145. Is the "1" the space or the line? 8i at "1" is 126 - an 8i with no loft adjustments is 145 - the 1 would be the first line above the default loft setting. Yes thank you for this, Doyley. I expanded your chart to make it where you have between normal and 1 grid up for loft, i further split that into .75, .50 and .25. Really helps me dial in on some of the distances.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 13, 2015 21:39:42 GMT -5
Good work putting this together but I don't understand your process when hitting out of the rough or sand. Just isn't working for me What part of the process is it you aren't understanding?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 13:29:46 GMT -5
Been trying to use this. Got better with some of my distances on some shots, mainly into headwinds, but I'm still struggling with windy conditions. Doyley, when you say 150%-200% into a headwind, how do you decide which value to use? Is it the length of time the ball will be in the air, so club loft, elevation etc? For example, if it was downhill and a pitching wedge, would you choose 200% because the ball will be in the air longer? Then adjust based on elevation/club? My other question is, is 150% always the lowest value you take? Where I'm struggling is when the wind is a headwind and a crosswind, rather than just straight into wind (coming from the 2 o'clock position for example). So would you ever go lower than 150% or is that the lowest? Thanks for your guides
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Post by edi_vedder on Apr 14, 2015 13:53:15 GMT -5
Been trying to use this. Doyley, when you say 150%-200% into a headwind, how do you decide which value to use? Is it the length of time the ball will be in the air, so club loft, elevation etc? For example, if it was downhill and a pitching wedge, would you choose 200% because the ball will be in the air longer? Then adjust based on elevation/club? The higher the club (let's say Iron 9), the more you'll need. So Iron 9 needs 190%, Iron 4 a 150% should be enough. Just to give you an example. That's at least my experience. But you better wait for Doyley's response. ;-)
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Post by mnguy12000 on Apr 14, 2015 13:54:12 GMT -5
Been trying to use this. Got better with some of my distances on some shots, mainly into headwinds, but I'm still struggling with windy conditions. Doyley, when you say 150%-200% into a headwind, how do you decide which value to use? Is it the length of time the ball will be in the air, so club loft, elevation etc? For example, if it was downhill and a pitching wedge, would you choose 200% because the ball will be in the air longer? Then adjust based on elevation/club? My other question is, is 150% always the lowest value you take? Where I'm struggling is when the wind is a headwind and a crosswind, rather than just straight into wind (coming from the 2 o'clock position for example). So would you ever go lower than 150% or is that the lowest? Thanks for your guides diagonal winds are tricky, I struggle with them and it seems 16 out of 18 holes you are dealing with it. What I tend to do is think about the math then take a little more off for the diagonal, so for example if you have a 7 i with a diagonal head wind at 8 mph. I would figure 12 to start then chop off 5-6 mph to make it a 7-6 yard add on. But again not sure how accurate this is as it works 100% of the time 50% of the time! As for the down hill, the feet down, plays more of a roll in the final yardage then the wind. Anything over 25 feet is hardly adjusted at all and just wind adjusted. Took me a long time to figure that out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 15:03:52 GMT -5
The higher the club (let's say Iron 9), the more you'll need. So Iron 9 needs 190%, Iron 4 a 150% should be enough. Just to give you an example. That's at least my experience. But you better wait for Doyley's response. ;-) That's what I was hoping you'd say, but I will wait for Doyley's answer ? I was struggling when I was playing but after finishing I came in this thread and read a few things and I realised I hadn't taken into account things like how long the ball was in the air. Would you say if it's a downhill shot, you also need to go slightly higher on the percentage you adjust because the ball is in the air longer? For example if it's usually 150% for a 4i, but it's down hill, would you maybe go 155/160%? Regarding diagonal winds, would you also assume these percentages are based on a complete headwind/tailwind, so maybe add/reduce yards based on the angle of the wind? diagonal winds are tricky, I struggle with them and it seems 16 out of 18 holes you are dealing with it. What I tend to do is think about the math then take a little more off for the diagonal, so for example if you have a 7 i with a diagonal head wind at 8 mph. I would figure 12 to start then chop off 5-6 mph to make it a 7-6 yard add on. But again not sure how accurate this is as it works 100% of the time 50% of the time! As for the down hill, the feet down, plays more of a roll in the final yardage then the wind. Anything over 25 feet is hardly adjusted at all and just wind adjusted. Took me a long time to figure that out. Thanks for your explanation of the diagonal wind. So maybe just take a few yards off if it's not completely head on? I'm a bit confused about your second bit relating to when you say anything over 25 feet, do you mean in terms of elevation? Thanks for your responses guys.
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Post by mnguy12000 on Apr 14, 2015 15:21:38 GMT -5
Thanks for your explanation of the diagonal wind. So maybe just take a few yards off if it's not completely head on? I'm a bit confused about your second bit relating to when you say anything over 25 feet, do you mean in terms of elevation? Thanks for your responses guys. Yeah elevation. If you have say a head wind and say a 7 to 10 wind, you can usually hit the distance and be right on for distance. so if it is a 132 yard into a 8 mph head wind and down hill 30 feet you can usually just hit the 9 iron and be right next to the hole.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 14, 2015 20:38:38 GMT -5
The higher the club (let's say Iron 9), the more you'll need. So Iron 9 needs 190%, Iron 4 a 150% should be enough. Just to give you an example. That's at least my experience. But you better wait for Doyley's response. ;-) That's what I was hoping you'd say, but I will wait for Doyley's answer ? I was struggling when I was playing but after finishing I came in this thread and read a few things and I realised I hadn't taken into account things like how long the ball was in the air. Would you say if it's a downhill shot, you also need to go slightly higher on the percentage you adjust because the ball is in the air longer? For example if it's usually 150% for a 4i, but it's down hill, would you maybe go 155/160%? Regarding diagonal winds, would you also assume these percentages are based on a complete headwind/tailwind, so maybe add/reduce yards based on the angle of the wind? That's what I would say too
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