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Post by Moe Slorkman on Sept 15, 2016 12:25:21 GMT -5
One other thing I forgot sure if you can't win a top level trophy and you really need a trophy just create a second profile give it your partners name get your pet to play qschool and destroy everyone in the lower tours.
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Post by unclefester75 on Sept 15, 2016 12:28:34 GMT -5
ok, if there is going to be an elite tour, the WGR needs to be more dynamic and reflect recent play and not length of time playing the game. I will be real interested when TGC2 comes out to see how the new top 200 players or so shakes out. My thought is that the WGR is a bit skewed towards players that have been around a while.
With that being said, my goal from day 1 (Nov 2015) was to play along with the real PGA tour. Looks like I may get my fake PGA card soon and would love to play in the PGA because I enjoy watching golf on TV and like that I can play the same courses as the pros are playing the week they are playing (for the big tournaments anyway). This, to me, has been the beauty of this community.
However, I have an idea. Just like in the Tiger Woods EA Sports game, we could have a few Legends (i.e. Sweeney, Garcia, Murphy, Foley) So, these folks don't actually play in the tournaments. But, if you win a tournament, you get to play them in a match play round or something like that. How about that?
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Sept 15, 2016 12:29:59 GMT -5
However, I have an idea. Just like in the Tiger Woods EA Sports game, we could have a few Legends (i.e. Sweeney, Garcia, Murphy, Foley) Wait, Foley is a legend? Maybe Mick Foley |
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Post by jarednich on Sept 15, 2016 12:31:15 GMT -5
One other thing I forgot sure if you can't win a top level trophy and you really need a trophy just create a second profile give it your partners name get your pet to play qschool and destroy everyone in the lower tours. Don't be ridiculous. Who would stoop to that level just to win fake money/trophies? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 12:32:05 GMT -5
I believe someone hit on this earlier in this thread but are we jumping the gun with this "Elite Tour" idea? TGC2 is supposed to have a completely different swing feel correct? More like a tempo based swing similar to what they have over at Perfect golf? So who's to say the same guys will be the "Elite" over on the new game? I get what the TGCT is trying to do but I think we should at least let TGC2 getting going before making any major changes. I think this is also why local golf leagues use handicap systems to make sure 1 guy is dominant all the time? Has a handicap system ever been though about? Back in the EA Tiger Woods days 1 of the biggest tours around was a handicap tour. I know you always have the "sandbagging" complaint but the guy had a great formula he used and you seen different winners all the time. Ian Even if it's not the same guys the theory/issue stands - splitting Elite players across two tours in TGC1 or TGC2 - where the gap in skill drops significantly outside the top 30 - is not a healthy recipe in my eyes. We just don't have the active user base to fill two tours with like-skilled players - the gap between the Top 5 and the bottom 5 is just too large on both the PGA and the Euro tours. When I look at the tours I don't really look at names - I look at blocks of skill and right now I think rearranging the top blocks of the Euro and PGA to play in the same tour benefits the balance of our tours as a whole. Don't think we'll go to handicap system - a tweak here/there if needed should be enough to restore balance. Scott, if that's the case, then make this a true 4 tier system. Right now, at least in my perception, PGA/Euro is the same level, even though, as a North American and growing up watching Arnold Palmer, the PGA is my goal. Hell, I never even heard of Euro when I was a kid. How did they get on the same level as the PGA? If this is all about prestige, the solution is simple. CC=>Web=>Euro=>PGA When TGC 2 starts, throw everybody into the blender. And I mean EVERYBODY. Reset all WGR and everything else. We're starting fresh. Have a 4 week tourney marathon to determine who is in... CC-Z CC-E CC-D CC-C CC-B CC-A Web Euro PGA And yes, I get that I may actually end up in CC-Z with a new mechanic that may totally F me up. But guess what? NOW I have some REAL incentive. 1) To get better with the new swing mechanic. That alone may be a real challenge. In fact, TGC 2 may bring renewed enjoyment all by itself to the game. You may get players back that you lost a long time ago. 2) Something to really shoot for. A chance to play in the PGA. And it may take me yet another year or longer to get there. That's fine. In fact, it may be the most fun I've had playing this game since I started. There you go. That's your solution. This way, the best players are in the PGA, just like in real life. Web becomes a stepping stone to Euro and Euro becomes a stepping stone to the PGA. I would support this new setup 100% as long as there was no longer the option to bounce between PGA and Euro. You want to play in the PGA? Earn it. You want to move up from Web to Euro? Earn it. The more I think about this, the more I like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 12:32:30 GMT -5
I like the idea of making the Euro tour the next stop after the Web, then onto the PGA. I'd still add a few additional "minor" events throughout the season for players above the top 75 or 100.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 12:34:54 GMT -5
Just to give you the pulse of where we are at now - obviously the elite tour idea didn't get much (if any) support from people responding here. Safe to say that option will likely not come to fruition unless the data from my poll I'm working on shows otherwise.
So let's focus less on that and more on the PGA 1 Euro 2 model and see where your opinions stand there. If we did a model where the end goal was to make it to the top tour (PGA) against the best of the best - would that appease more or still same result?
EDIT: Wags has it displayed a few posts above
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Post by unclefester75 on Sept 15, 2016 12:35:02 GMT -5
I believe someone hit on this earlier in this thread but are we jumping the gun with this "Elite Tour" idea? TGC2 is supposed to have a completely different swing feel correct? More like a tempo based swing similar to what they have over at Perfect golf? So who's to say the same guys will be the "Elite" over on the new game? I get what the TGCT is trying to do but I think we should at least let TGC2 getting going before making any major changes. I think this is also why local golf leagues use handicap systems to make sure 1 guy is dominant all the time? Has a handicap system ever been though about? Back in the EA Tiger Woods days 1 of the biggest tours around was a handicap tour. I know you always have the "sandbagging" complaint but the guy had a great formula he used and you seen different winners all the time. Ian Even if it's not the same guys the theory/issue stands - splitting Elite players across two tours in TGC1 or TGC2 - where the gap in skill drops significantly outside the top 30 - is not a healthy recipe in my eyes. We just don't have the active user base to fill two tours with like-skilled players - the gap between the Top 5 and the bottom 5 is just too large on both the PGA and the Euro tours. When I look at the tours I don't really look at names - I look at blocks of skill and right now I think rearranging the top blocks of the Euro and PGA to play in the same tour benefits the balance of our tours as a whole. Don't think we'll go to handicap system - a tweak here/there if needed should be enough to restore balance. I think demotion and promotion needs to be faster. Bump the folks that consistently place at the bottom of their tour down and promote more from the lower tours. this will reduce the gap (but not eliminate it). |
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Post by Doyley on Sept 15, 2016 12:38:09 GMT -5
I think demotion and promotion needs to be faster. Bump the folks that consistently place at the bottom of their tour down and promote more from the lower tours. this will reduce the gap (but not eliminate it). This has been discussed briefly behind closed doors and is a good possibility as well |
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Post by unclefester75 on Sept 15, 2016 12:38:26 GMT -5
Just to give you the pulse of where we are at now - obviously the elite tour idea didn't get much (if any) support from people responding here. Safe to say that option will likely not come to fruition unless the data from my poll I'm working on shows otherwise. So let's focus less on that and more on the PGA 1 Euro 2 model and see where your opinions stand there. If we did a model where the end goal was to make it to the top tour (PGA) against the best of the best - would that appease more or still same result? I'm not a fan of this. As a North American, I could care less about the Euro. However, in this case, you would need to bump-up the amount of PGA players because I am sure that I would never make it. I am also sure that there are a bunch of Europeans that play this game the would not want to go to the PGA for the same reasons |
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Post by unclefester75 on Sept 15, 2016 12:39:12 GMT -5
I think demotion and promotion needs to be faster. Bump the folks that consistently place at the bottom of their tour down and promote more from the lower tours. this will reduce the gap (but not eliminate it). This has been discussed briefly behind closed doors and is a good possibility as well cool |
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Post by dorksirjur on Sept 15, 2016 12:39:56 GMT -5
I'd rather stick to Euro being a European but if making the Euro the 'lesser' tour to appease the butthurt Yanks is what is needed, go for it  |
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 15, 2016 12:40:13 GMT -5
Even if it's not the same guys the theory/issue stands - splitting Elite players across two tours in TGC1 or TGC2 - where the gap in skill drops significantly outside the top 30 - is not a healthy recipe in my eyes. We just don't have the active user base to fill two tours with like-skilled players - the gap between the Top 5 and the bottom 5 is just too large on both the PGA and the Euro tours. When I look at the tours I don't really look at names - I look at blocks of skill and right now I think rearranging the top blocks of the Euro and PGA to play in the same tour benefits the balance of our tours as a whole. Don't think we'll go to handicap system - a tweak here/there if needed should be enough to restore balance. Scott, if that's the case, then make this a true 4 tier system. Right now, at least in my perception, PGA/Euro is the same level, even though, as a North American and growing up watching Arnold Palmer, the PGA is my goal. Hell, I never even heard of Euro when I was a kid. How did they get on the same level as the PGA? If this is all about prestige, the solution is simple. CC=>Web=>Euro=>PGA When TGC 2 starts, throw everybody into the blender. And I mean EVERYBODY. Reset all WGR and everything else. We're starting fresh. Have a 4 week tourney marathon to determine who is in... CC-Z CC-E CC-D CC-C CC-B CC-A Web Euro PGA And yes, I get that I may actually end up in CC-Z with a new mechanic that may totally F me up. But guess what? NOW I have some REAL incentive. 1) To get better with the new swing mechanic. That alone may be a real challenge. In fact, TGC 2 may bring renewed enjoyment all by itself to the game. You may get players back that you lost a long time ago. 2) Something to really shoot for. A chance to play in the PGA. And it may take me yet another year or longer to get there. That's fine. In fact, it may be the most fun I've had playing this game since I started. There you go. That's your solution. This way, the best players are in the PGA, just like in real life. Web becomes a stepping stone to Euro and Euro becomes a stepping stone to the PGA. I would support this new setup 100% as long as there was no longer the option to bounce between PGA and Euro. You want to play in the PGA? Earn it. You want to move up from Web to Euro? Earn it. The more I think about this, the more I like it. For once, I mostly agree with you here. I definitely think everyone should have to play a new Q-School and earn new cards. I'd be disappointed to have my WGR wiped, but that's fine, too. However, if they wipe all the stats, trophies, etc. from the last two years, then I will seriously have to consider whether I want to continue with this tour for TGC 2. I mean, what's the point of playing and trying to earn this fake money and these fake trophies if they just get wiped every time we cross over to the newest game? |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Sept 15, 2016 12:40:38 GMT -5
So let's focus less on that and more on the PGA 1 Euro 2 model and see where your opinions stand there. If we did a model where the end goal was to make it to the top tour (PGA) against the best of the best - would that appease more or still same result? Isn't that doing the same thing in a different way? Except perhaps the top tour is slightly bigger than the "elite" idea.....unless i'm missing something? |
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Post by unclefester75 on Sept 15, 2016 12:43:54 GMT -5
Scott, if that's the case, then make this a true 4 tier system. Right now, at least in my perception, PGA/Euro is the same level, even though, as a North American and growing up watching Arnold Palmer, the PGA is my goal. Hell, I never even heard of Euro when I was a kid. How did they get on the same level as the PGA? If this is all about prestige, the solution is simple. CC=>Web=>Euro=>PGA When TGC 2 starts, throw everybody into the blender. And I mean EVERYBODY. Reset all WGR and everything else. We're starting fresh. Have a 4 week tourney marathon to determine who is in... CC-Z CC-E CC-D CC-C CC-B CC-A Web Euro PGA And yes, I get that I may actually end up in CC-Z with a new mechanic that may totally F me up. But guess what? NOW I have some REAL incentive. 1) To get better with the new swing mechanic. That alone may be a real challenge. In fact, TGC 2 may bring renewed enjoyment all by itself to the game. You may get players back that you lost a long time ago. 2) Something to really shoot for. A chance to play in the PGA. And it may take me yet another year or longer to get there. That's fine. In fact, it may be the most fun I've had playing this game since I started. There you go. That's your solution. This way, the best players are in the PGA, just like in real life. Web becomes a stepping stone to Euro and Euro becomes a stepping stone to the PGA. I would support this new setup 100% as long as there was no longer the option to bounce between PGA and Euro. You want to play in the PGA? Earn it. You want to move up from Web to Euro? Earn it. The more I think about this, the more I like it. For once, I mostly agree with you here. I definitely think everyone should have to play a new Q-School and earn new cards. I'd be disappointed to have my WGR wiped, but that's fine, too. However, if they wipe all the stats, trophies, etc. from the last two years, then I will seriously have to consider whether I want to continue with this tour for TGC 2. I mean, what's the point of playing and trying to earn this fake money and these fake trophies if they just get wiped every time we cross over to the newest game? I disagree with Wags here about the Euro and PGA not having equal status unless the top tour combined all of the major events. Maybe instead of calling it the PGA it would be called something else because it should include The Open and other major European events |
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