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Post by blueorfe on Sept 16, 2016 16:14:14 GMT -5
Too much to take in. 30 pages  I'm staying away... Play nicely fellas  |
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Post by ErixonStone on Sept 16, 2016 16:19:46 GMT -5
Some interesting notes about the top tours in Season 2:
European Tour
Not including minor events, Ian Sweeney and Brad Garcia have won 25 events. Brian Murphy and Bryan Cairns account for 4 more wins. In other words, the top 4 European Card holders have won 29 of 36 events (81%). Tyler Duke and Alexandre Mendes Goncalves each won one event, meaning the top 10 in WGR have won 31 of 36 events (86%).
The other winners rank 14th, 16th, 17th, and 32nd.
PGA Tour
The top 10 WGR account for 26 wins in 43 events, not including minor events (60%). The top 25 account for 39 wins (91%). Other winners rank 31st, 36th, 37th, 38th.
There's obviously a wider gap between the top few European players and the rest of the field than the gap that exists on PGA.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 16, 2016 16:23:56 GMT -5
Some interesting notes about the top tours in Season 2: European TourNot including minor events, Ian Sweeney and Brad Garcia have won 25 events. Brian Murphy and Bryan Cairns account for 4 more wins. In other words, the top 4 European Card holders have won 29 of 36 events (81%). Tyler Duke and Alexandre Mendes Goncalves each won one event, meaning the top 10 in WGR have won 31 of 36 events (86%). The other winners rank 14th, 16th, 17th, and 32nd. PGA TourThe top 10 WGR account for 26 wins in 43 events, not including minor events (60%). The top 25 account for 39 wins (91%). Other winners rank 31st, 36th, 37th, 38th. There's obviously a wider gap between the top few European players and the rest of the field than the gap that exists on PGA. There ya go.. We should have a tour with the top 38!! |
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Post by dorksirjur on Sept 16, 2016 16:26:40 GMT -5
If you do make an elite tour which players from Euro/PGA can opt into if they want the challenge, can you put me in please Doyley? I'd prefer playing against men, not children  |
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Post by ErixonStone on Sept 16, 2016 16:36:09 GMT -5
I should say that, personally, I have no desire to compete for second-tier wins. It's just not particularly rewarding.
But I'm in that group of players that feels it can compete with the best - I've done it on rare occasion - and needs to be more consistent.
There are others who feel like they've gotten as good at this game as they're ever going to get, so I can see the draw for them to compete at a lower level. Maybe more permanence at the Web.com level?
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 16, 2016 16:38:10 GMT -5
Because 12 is less than 14? Nice
I wonder if the real reason they play more on pga is because it made all the other euro players cry they couldn't compete
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Post by csabo17 on Sept 16, 2016 16:41:40 GMT -5
Just some numbers. Last season I had 1 win, 2 second places and 14 top 25s. This year 0 wins, 2 second places and 14 top 25s. So for the most part I finished in pretty much the same way. I was higher in the WGR last year mainly because the 40 tourney qualifier wasn't in place and frankly the competition was softer. Finishing the same way this year, I do feel that I have improved my game and it shows because I finished the same against a competition that not only got better from the year prior, but added more new players that are even better than many of us were a year ago. I dropped in WGR as rightly I should have. I'm a player that can make the majority of cuts but that is about it. Furthermore, during the Olympics I played in the alternate tourney and took second. So what does a person in my shoes come away with all the above information. If the elite aren't in the field, I can compete for a win. Otherwise, according to my WGR, I'm going to normally finish somewhere between 30 and 60. After a full season like this you have to ask a person in my position, why do I continue to play then? If i were on the PGA tour in RL I would point to the 2.5 million dollars. I figure that would give me enough solace for not winning or really finishing better. On here tho, a game we are supposed to do for fun, the only thing we can point to for a reason we continue, is for fun. But is it fun anymore? So why play? For some, they want the challenge of playing with the 'big boys', others like me look for personal growth and improving our personal game against a tougher field and others still won't have a reason to continue. Whatever the reason, I think the whole point of this 17 page thread is that at some point the fun ends when a player cannot progress any further. I've already heard all the arguments, "play more", "Learn from your mistakes", "Watch more videos", "Read the Tip boards" and my fav, "Suck it up and stop whining." Unfortunately not everyone has the ability to practice as much as it takes to get better or to the elite level. As stated before if THIS was our job and if I could make 2.5 million in a year, damn straight I'd put in the time, but I digress. Understand that we are all competitive to a point and when we see the same folks week in and week out finishing on top and even in the weeks that we play some of our best golf we can't crack the top 10 or 15, it becomes discouraging. We still want to play, but there is no where else we can go. We can't go to the Web.com tour and even if we could, it would be unfair. If we got up and left, there would other menials like us to take our place and fill out the tournaments so the same folks can continue to win. In short, we are expendable. We are the equivalent to those people you watch on TV playing with Bubba and Rory and ask yourself, "Who the heck is that?" We are the forgettable. The only difference is we aren't getting paid like they are if we make a cut. So the questions we ask are, "Why do we continue to play?", "Does anyone care about us because if we leave, others will move up to take our place?", "Why is it unfair to consider an 'elite tour' when we have no where else to go and no real chance to move up?" Bottom line for the folks in the same position as me is that we have like 6 flights for CC and yet no flights for the PGA/EURO/Web. Who would it HURT, seriously who would be hurt to add an extra flight? Yes I know that is how it is in RL but I'll point out again that if this was RL I'd have 2.5 million reasons not to care. *NOTE* Written for a voice of some who are skittish to speak out here. More love needed |
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Post by punchnclown on Sept 16, 2016 16:42:05 GMT -5
I think if this would have been suggested as " We are adding a new tour between Web and CC-A (Tour-X). We will move some % PGA/Euro down to Web and some % Web down to Tour-X and fill the remainder with the top CC players.". This may have gone over better. Or not.
Disclaimer: I did not read the full 31 pages of posts so if my comment/idea is a repeat or just a waste of your time I apologize.
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 16, 2016 16:45:44 GMT -5
I don't care about winning at the top level. For me it's not really obtainable given my time limitations and I just don't think I could ever be that good at this game. I just want to have some sort of level of competition that has meaning. Sure, a bunch of us PGA/Euro lower level players could take demotions down to the Web but what's that going to do to the top Web players, not to mention the mid to lower Web players. They'll be screwed as well. Just give me tournaments with people of somewhat similar skill level that I can play that offer me a better chance to make cuts and have realistic season long implications such as Majors or playoffs etc. to strive for. Many of us who have risen from lower ranks are in the same boat and some have since threw in the towel because they were in a dead end situation that was no longer fun for them and no foreseeable way out. I don't care what you call it. I don't care what specific courses are used. I don't care if it mimics RL down to the letter. I just want to feel engaged again. ATM, whether or not I play my best, play my worst, or don't play at all is irrelevant to anyone but me. I am field filler and nothing more and that's not fun. The thrill of true competition is what is gone and that's what allured me here in the first place. If ur desperate to compete and there are plenty of others like u and ur not willing to put the effort in to improve and compete at EURO/PGA level then here are a few options. 1) Take a demotion down to a level that u feel competitive at. 2) Ask for a another tour to be added to Web or CC that similar minded players like yourself can drop down to. 3) Ask for another tour to be created away from the main tours where only players outside a certain WGR place can play If u cant compete on PGA/EURO and u cant enjoy jus being part of it u need to remove urself from the equation before u crack up. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 16, 2016 16:47:47 GMT -5
Some interesting notes about the top tours in Season 2: European TourNot including minor events, Ian Sweeney and Brad Garcia have won 25 events. Brian Murphy and Bryan Cairns account for 4 more wins. In other words, the top 4 European Card holders have won 29 of 36 events (81%). Tyler Duke and Alexandre Mendes Goncalves each won one event, meaning the top 10 in WGR have won 31 of 36 events (86%). The other winners rank 14th, 16th, 17th, and 32nd. PGA TourThe top 10 WGR account for 26 wins in 43 events, not including minor events (60%). The top 25 account for 39 wins (91%). Other winners rank 31st, 36th, 37th, 38th. There's obviously a wider gap between the top few European players and the rest of the field than the gap that exists on PGA. Thats because the best players play on the Euro. Winning a PGA event is like winning the lottery. They all have the similar enough chances. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 16, 2016 16:48:57 GMT -5
If you do make an elite tour which players from Euro/PGA can opt into if they want the challenge, can you put me in please Doyley? I'd prefer playing against men, not children Doyley has more or less dismissed the idea of the elite tour now, he has said not much will change. So the pussies are pissing into wind. |
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Post by billybudd0623 on Sept 16, 2016 17:02:51 GMT -5
Brian you are an ass.
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Post by Airik3333 on Sept 16, 2016 17:13:24 GMT -5
With zero class
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 16, 2016 17:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 16, 2016 17:24:41 GMT -5
"My dear, diminutive correspondent. Your misinformation is exceeded only by your atrocious grammar." - C.E.Winchester III This really is unfortunate when a top player feels like this: "If ur desperate to compete and there are plenty of others like u and ur not willing to put the effort in to improve and compete at EURO/PGA level then here are a few options." This person apparently automatically assumes that people who are not aligned with his opinion and who are lower on the WGR than he: 1. Apparently haven't put in 'enough' time to be come good at the game 2. The effort we have put in apparently is not 'good enough' 3. That we have unlimited or more time to put in 4. That we have no desire to improve or at least the reason we haven't is that we don't have the same desire as HE does. Let me point out a few things. I used to want to play pro basketball in my youth. At 5'8" there is no way in hell that I could become that good, in fact I would have to work harder than others to make up for the lack of height, arm reach, ect. Due to time, school, family money, it just wasn't feasible. I have friends who went to the University of Arizona and was on the basketball team. They were there for every practice, worked harder than everyone else but because their 'talent' wasn't as good, the never saw a minute of play time until their senior year. Simply put, not everyone can be as good as you, Brian. I'm sure I'm head and shoulders better than you in other things, lets say pool and billiards. I once took 3rd in the nation during college. I had a better talent at that game but i loved basketball and golf more. You would NEVER hear me tell you if you wanted to go pro in billiards that you needed to practice more and be better if you were already working hard. I haven't played a game of 9-ball in 5 years but I would bet $100 that I could walk in and with 10minutes of practice, I would beat you in a race to 7 giving you a spot of two balls. I was that good and you don't forget the feel. Unfortunately there isn't a tonne of money in 'pool' lest you want to do the hustle thing. You don't know how much time some of us puts in. I don't see you and only a few others like Boomer, Doyley, offering help to others. Classes maybe? You want to have us sign up for your class so you can teach us to how to be as good as you? Tell us your close secrets, your short cuts, your own yardage charts? Pointers on Putting? No? Didn't think so. I don't diminish how good you and others are on this game. You are at a level many of us can only dream of getting to one day. That doesn't mean that we haven't worked hard, put in a lot of time, haven't sought help, haven't worked with others, ect. I'm just shy of 2,000 rounds completed. How many do I need to be as good as you? How many hours do you suggest I play to be as good as you? If I put in those hours and those rounds, what will you offer if I'm still not as good as you? Some people just have more talent. Good for you, but don't for a moment think you have the right to tell me or anyone else that we're not 'willing to put in the time' cause you have no friggen clue how much time any of us have put in. Get off your high horse and stop being an elitist little turd.  Have a nice day. |
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