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Post by Lowenberger on Sept 16, 2016 12:25:18 GMT -5
This is starting to get silly now. If people in the elite tours (PGA & EURO) feel like they cant compete or dont wanna compete create another tour for them to play in. Doyley there is no way ur gonna get the top players in the Euro to happily play in the PGA as often as u like. If it becomes a forced move then ur at risk to makin these players unhappy and they may not play at all. Im sure a compromise can be struck but it needs working on. You can either have the discussion with those involved (like we are doin here or privately) or just come up with something urselves and say if ye dont like it dont play. Im pretty sure the majority of the top euro players jus dont wanna play on the PGA for many reasons. Which is why most of us are suggesting that not much changes. But the biggest problem of all is the fact these proposed changes are comin in for a brand new game and we dont hav a clue how any of us are gonna get on with it. If we were stayin on TGC 1 the merits of changes wud be there but for a brand new game it seems like guess work. We simply dont hav enough info on how things will look when we have TGC 2 and everyone goes thru Q school again. I agree that people shouldn't be forced to play on a tour they don't identify on. To be honest, I didn't really realize before this thread that people from Europe felt so passionate about the Euro Tour.
But I do think that providing some incentivizing for the top players to play together more often could be fun for everyone... although I think it should be split between tours, rather than trying to force people to the PGA.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 16, 2016 12:27:18 GMT -5
So Doyley if nothing is going to change, can we still tar and feather Ian Sweeney? Something has to be done about this guy. I mean he is the whole reason we are even having this discussion.. right?  |
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Sept 16, 2016 12:34:53 GMT -5
May i just ask, why is the euro tour being made a scapegoat here, why should i potentially lose 10 % of wgr points playing on the Tour i want to play on? I and many others have worked hard 2 be where we are/ have got to, now we are going to be potentially punished for not playing on the Pga. It seems like u want new players to come in and see the names Sweeney, Murphy, Garcia, Ray, Cairns etc etc (Top Dogs ) playing on the Pga, and thinking that, that is the place to be, it also seems like the Euro Tour is being played as Second fiddle to Pga, NO THEY ARE EQUAL, that is what u have always said, plus it seems like the Euro Tour is being punished for having bad threads during the season, but this might not be the case, ( Sorry if im wrong) As i have said before why change anything, just to accomodate some? Seems like the goalposts are being moved for no apparent reason. PGA is picked over Euro because in real life there is more money available - that is pretty much the only reason and why my suggestion was for low money events on Euro only. Has nothing to do with the players on tour. If you want me to entice PGA players to skip out on 7,000,000 purse events to play in a 1,500,000 euro event - I don't see the logic behind that unfortunately when trying to base a decision on real world/realism when possible. Yes I understand that the PGA has more money available for events, that has always been the case, not an issue to me, my issue is the WGR points, it began with SOF debacle, now we have to lose potentially 10% by playing our own tour, I thought it was equal WGR as u took SOF out of the equation. Again apologies if I'm wrong, but as EUROPEAN RYDER CUP CAPTAIN I will fight tooth and nail for my Tour. |
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Post by vixenvikki on Sept 16, 2016 12:35:58 GMT -5
OMG... you guys really, reading through all these posts, its like i want my D..K to be bigger than your D..K, otherwise i'm not playing, its a bloody game...sorry got to go, more important things in life, the ironing will not do itself.
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Post by jtcurrent on Sept 16, 2016 12:46:17 GMT -5
This is starting to get silly now. If people in the elite tours (PGA & EURO) feel like they cant compete or dont wanna compete create another tour for them to play in. Doyley there is no way ur gonna get the top players in the Euro to happily play in the PGA as often as u like. If it becomes a forced move then ur at risk to makin these players unhappy and they may not play at all. Im sure a compromise can be struck but it needs working on. You can either have the discussion with those involved (like we are doin here or privately) or just come up with something urselves and say if ye dont like it dont play. Im pretty sure the majority of the top euro players jus dont wanna play on the PGA for many reasons. Which is why most of us are suggesting that not much changes. But the biggest problem of all is the fact these proposed changes are comin in for a brand new game and we dont hav a clue how any of us are gonna get on with it. If we were stayin on TGC 1 the merits of changes wud be there but for a brand new game it seems like guess work. We simply dont hav enough info on how things will look when we have TGC 2 and everyone goes thru Q school again. I'd also be against forcing Euros out of their tour. Is a tier above Web but below pga/euro the better way to go? Good grief has this taken on a life of its own. |
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Post by smurfblade88 on Sept 16, 2016 12:48:37 GMT -5
This is starting to get silly now. If people in the elite tours (PGA & EURO) feel like they cant compete or dont wanna compete create another tour for them to play in. Doyley there is no way ur gonna get the top players in the Euro to happily play in the PGA as often as u like. If it becomes a forced move then ur at risk to makin these players unhappy and they may not play at all. Im sure a compromise can be struck but it needs working on. You can either have the discussion with those involved (like we are doin here or privately) or just come up with something urselves and say if ye dont like it dont play. Im pretty sure the majority of the top euro players jus dont wanna play on the PGA for many reasons. Which is why most of us are suggesting that not much changes. But the biggest problem of all is the fact these proposed changes are comin in for a brand new game and we dont hav a clue how any of us are gonna get on with it. If we were stayin on TGC 1 the merits of changes wud be there but for a brand new game it seems like guess work. We simply dont hav enough info on how things will look when we have TGC 2 and everyone goes thru Q school again. I'd also be against forcing Euros out of their tour. Is a tier above Web but below pga/euro the better way to go? Good grief has this taken on a life of its own. Lol If there was a demand for it or it made sense numbers wise I think it wud be a good idea. I also like the idea of the brand new tour seperate to the main tour like TST for people with WGR 40ish or higher to play for fun without the "elites" in the field. |
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Post by ijs1543 on Sept 16, 2016 12:50:08 GMT -5
Your ranked 44 on wgr...........you are elite your life don't matter  |
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Post by Macs Power on Sept 16, 2016 13:02:01 GMT -5
If people in the elite tours (PGA & EURO) feel like they cant compete or dont wanna compete create another tour for them to play in.  |
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Post by TROWELHEAD on Sept 16, 2016 13:04:33 GMT -5
So Doyley if nothing is going to change, can we still tar and feather Ian Sweeney? Something has to be done about this guy. I mean he is the whole reason we are even having this discussion.. right? U grab his legs an' i'll grab his arms  lol |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 13:04:37 GMT -5
I say we have a whine and cheese party.
I'll bring the cheese. We already have the whine.
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 16, 2016 13:08:14 GMT -5
So Doyley if nothing is going to change, can we still tar and feather Ian Sweeney? Something has to be done about this guy. I mean he is the whole reason we are even having this discussion.. right? U grab his legs an' i'll grab his arms lol You just need to unplug him... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 13:09:41 GMT -5
I don't understand why players are saying euro tour is equal to PGA in real life. It isn't. Loads more money at stake and for example when Shane Lowry got his permanent PGA card the European tour commentators were overjoyed saying he had finally reached the top tier.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 13:12:04 GMT -5
I don't understand why players are saying euro tour is equal to PGA in real life. It isn't. Loads more money at stake and for example when Shane Lowry got his permanent PGA card the European tour commentators were overjoyed saying he had finally reached the top tier. I honestly don't understand it either. Whenever I turn golf on when I watch TV, I never see any Euro tourneys. It's always PGA. It's been like that since I started watching golf back in the 60s. When did Euro become an equal tour? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 13:18:06 GMT -5
Week 5 for example. In real life.
Euro Tour: winner got 36 WGR points
PGA tour: winner got 54 WGR points
They are supposed to be equal but the strength of field is much higher because that's where the money is. That's why TGCT should use WGR points instead of money to entice the players so it's more like real life. No way should a $6m event be the same as a $1.5m.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 16, 2016 13:18:37 GMT -5
Your ranked 44 on wgr...........you are elite your life don't matter I know that i'm considered "elite" even though i don't play like it. You think i was arguing for myself this whole time while knowing I'd be on the exact tour I was describing? What I want to know is who the moron was that allowed Sweeney to change tours just like that? Don't we have a screening process or something to keep the riff raff out? Who taught him the secret handshake! |
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