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Post by Timbr0_T on Sept 2, 2016 12:06:51 GMT -5
It's super impressive watching you guys can play so fast and consistently. Even more so when you Twitch your rounds, talk to all your groupies and still manage to shoot crazy low scores.
I'm one of the slowest, probably the Kevin Na of TGC. I wasn't counting but it must have taken me at least 40 minutes to play rd 4 Bay Hill last night. I'm pretty impulsive IRL and I know as soon as I start to rush or speed up everything will go horribly wrong.
And a question: How do you deal with the severe sidehill lies on approach shots? I try to convert the sidehill slope to roughly X mph of wind and add/subtract that to the wind... but the sidehills seem to affect different clubs in different ways and not liek they would IRL.
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Post by yaters on Sept 2, 2016 13:11:59 GMT -5
Hey Griffin (D.O.).
I attempted to watch your videos last night, but with the tropical storm impacting Florida, I got through about 3/4 of the first one and the power went out. So far though, I like and will be watching both a couple times through this weekend. Thanks.
Question. I believe you are on PC. Not sure if you use an XB1 or PS4 controller. But when one talks about being accurate, I would think that most players, even those that know the maths involved, the accuracy thing is hindered by not being able to get straight swings within the cone on a regular basis.
If you were asked, what tips would you give to someone to help them be more accurate with hitting straight(er) shots? Is there a technique that works for you (how you hold your tongue (LOL) looking at the controller, the screen, pull back and hold and hit a mark going forward on the controller...or nice even back and forth, etc...)?
I use a PS4 controller (stock) on PC, no software, and for the most part, as long as I am nice and steady with the backswing looking at the screen and a nice steady but faster paced forward swing when the golfer gets to the peak of backswing works best for me. but sure enough, I will have that stupid slice thing going on at every possible worst time.
To me, besides being good at putting, being able to hit pretty straight and stay in that cone even when lofting, are the two most important, and frustrating elements to this game... Griffin, you want to invite Kenny in as a guest contributor for this question? Ohhhhhhhh...... Griffin plays on XB1 and not PC, so he's using that controller. I can tell you from my experience, and it may sound silly, but I don't think at all about hitting straight. A few times most rounds I get a little screwy on my shots, but I never try to think about hitting straight. It's a simple motion on the controller, so I think it's important to just find a position holding the controller where you can easily repeat the same motion. Find a tempo and rhythm that works for you. If you watch Griffin, he waits an excruciating long time at the top of his swing (to avoid any < 100% swings) but I couldn't play like that. I don't know if that helps at all |
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Post by mde8965 on Sept 2, 2016 13:29:20 GMT -5
Thanks yaters ... As a guy who played on XB1 for a while, I am extremely envious of you who can hit straight using that controller. I tried. And was actually pretty darned good at it when in practice. But as soon as nerves came into play and my hands got a bit twitchy, massive slices and hooks ensued. The PS4 controller is better (for me) because the résistance on the thumb stick mitigates that a little. Since I have learned to play on PC (and have learned NOT look at the stick and NOT aim the forward push toward a spot on the controller) my game has improved a lot (from CC-C to very competitive in CC-A). My hands no longer get real twitchy when anticipating that forward swing because the swing from beginning to end is one smooth motion now. Some day I will have to pick up my XB1 controller and give it a go again just for kicks. This is good discussion, because when I first got here, there were those that said the best way was to look at that controller, back swing, stop, then push like heck (FAST) toward a spot on your controller (one of your making). That really messed me up for a while I think... Thank you for your reply... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 13:30:22 GMT -5
I use the XB1 controller on PC and have never looked at my controller.
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Post by jtcurrent on Sept 2, 2016 13:38:30 GMT -5
Thanks yaters ... As a guy who played on XB1 for a while, I am extremely envious of you who can hit straight using that controller. I tried. And was actually pretty darned good at it when in practice. But as soon as nerves came into play and my hands got a bit twitchy, massive slices and hooks ensued. The PS4 controller is better (for me) because the résistance on the thumb stick mitigates that a little. Since I have learned to play on PC (and have learned NOT look at the stick and NOT aim the forward push toward a spot) on the controller my game has improved a lot (from CC-C to very competitive in CC-A). My hands no longer get real twitchy when anticipating that forward swing because it is alone smooth motion now. Some day I will have to pick up my XB1 controller and give it a go again just for kicks. This is good discussion, because when I first got here, there were those that said the best way was to look at that controller, back swing, stop, then push like heck (FAST) toward a spot on your controller (one of your making). That really messed me up for a while I think... Thank you for your reply... You'll receive varied replies here. It really comes down to personal feel. I lean back in the chair, pull back at a moderate pace while looking at the controller and positioning my right thumb directly under the knob, and as I see the swing get to the top (through peripheral vision) I push it forward...not fast because that can screw me up, but at a brisk pace. If my wife ever sees this I'll never live down just how cool I am. 
Do your own thing here...it takes practice. However, I'll say this...I am working on tempo because that's what's coming in TGC2. So I don't pause at the top because I'm thinking that'll be a no-no next year. Overall I hit em mostly straight...and it does make a difference on approach shots.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 13:40:20 GMT -5
So many people look at their controllers!
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Post by mde8965 on Sept 2, 2016 13:48:15 GMT -5
Thanks @jtcurrent I think you are right in that the swing technique will have to be more as I described doing on my PC for TGC2. The game seems much more immersive to me not looking at the controller. The anticipation of that forward swing (when looking at the controller), especially when it mattered, really messed with my mind. But like everything else, when in practice, it worked perfectly.
I really think it is great that some of you guys very high up in WGR are willing to give the little minions like me and others tips and try to help out...
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 2, 2016 13:58:50 GMT -5
It's super impressive watching you guys can play so fast and consistently. Even more so when you Twitch your rounds, talk to all your groupies and still manage to shoot crazy low scores. I'm one of the slowest, probably the Kevin Na of TGC. I wasn't counting but it must have taken me at least 40 minutes to play rd 4 Bay Hill last night. I'm pretty impulsive IRL and I know as soon as I start to rush or speed up everything will go horribly wrong. And a question: How do you deal with the severe sidehill lies on approach shots? I try to convert the sidehill slope to roughly X mph of wind and add/subtract that to the wind... but the sidehills seem to affect different clubs in different ways and not liek they would IRL. That's an excellent question. I wish I had an answer better than "I can eyeball it to a reasonable degree of success." Practice is the key, I would say. After a while, you just start to build up a bank of memories that you can apply to future rounds. Some people switch to a putter and do some fancy camera work to get a good view of the stance. I know edi_vedder is one such player; maybe he'd be willing to comment on his technique. |
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 2, 2016 14:08:41 GMT -5
Hey Griffin (D.O.).
I attempted to watch your videos last night, but with the tropical storm impacting Florida, I got through about 3/4 of the first one and the power went out. So far though, I like and will be watching both a couple times through this weekend. Thanks.
Question. I believe you are on PC. Not sure if you use an XB1 or PS4 controller. But when one talks about being accurate, I would think that most players, even those that know the maths involved, the accuracy thing is hindered by not being able to get straight swings within the cone on a regular basis.
If you were asked, what tips would you give to someone to help them be more accurate with hitting straight(er) shots? Is there a technique that works for you (how you hold your tongue (LOL) looking at the controller, the screen, pull back and hold and hit a mark going forward on the controller...or nice even back and forth, etc...)?
I use a PS4 controller (stock) on PC, no software, and for the most part, as long as I am nice and steady with the backswing looking at the screen and a nice steady but faster paced forward swing when the golfer gets to the peak of backswing works best for me. but sure enough, I will have that stupid slice thing going on at every possible worst time.
To me, besides being good at putting, being able to hit pretty straight and stay in that cone even when lofting, are the two most important, and frustrating elements to this game... Griffin, you want to invite Kenny in as a guest contributor for this question? Ohhhhhhhh...... Griffin plays on XB1 and not PC, so he's using that controller. I can tell you from my experience, and it may sound silly, but I don't think at all about hitting straight. A few times most rounds I get a little screwy on my shots, but I never try to think about hitting straight. It's a simple motion on the controller, so I think it's important to just find a position holding the controller where you can easily repeat the same motion. Find a tempo and rhythm that works for you. If you watch Griffin, he waits an excruciating long time at the top of his swing (to avoid any < 100% swings) but I couldn't play like that. I don't know if that helps at all Lol at the Kenny comment. As Yaters says, I am on XB1 and not PC. I used to play on PS4, but I vastly prefer the Xbox controller for the purposes of TGC. I use my left thumb, and I do not look at the controller when swinging. The pause is extremely helpful in this game to hit 100% basically every time, but it will be a hindrance in TGC2, unfortunately. A lot of it comes from practice. I have made the "analog golf swing" motion thousands and thousands of (probably even 100,000 or so) times across various TW games and now TGC, so it's just a mindless flick at this point. If I loft up a wood more than two or three bars, then I'll make more of a concerted effort to hit it straight, but that's a matter of making a smooth and carefree swing and letting the result come naturally. |
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Post by Errol1967 on Sept 3, 2016 4:38:08 GMT -5
I dont have many problems with putting, the problem for me is still those approach shots to the green.
If I see some players hit the ball close to the pin, Im still wondering how they do that.
How do you calculate these...lets say...
Approach shot to green 177
Crosswind 10 blowing from north-east to south-west
Greenspeed 177
If it was me I get my 4i and fade plusminus 3/4 (1block is 14mph) to the right and halfway up the bar.
Or do people actualy get a 3i, to get higher up in the air, so that the effect of rolling is less?
When you aim right, do you calculate this wind also, cause this is also extra yards, when you fade or move stick to right?
Kind regards.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 7:28:30 GMT -5
Edit: Already covered.
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 3, 2016 8:56:58 GMT -5
I dont have many problems with putting, the problem for me is still those approach shots to the green. If I see some players hit the ball close to the pin, Im still wondering how they do that. How do you calculate these...lets say... Approach shot to green 177 Crosswind 10 blowing from north-east to south-west Greenspeed 177 If it was me I get my 4i and fade plusminus 3/4 (1block is 14mph) to the right and halfway up the bar. Or do people actualy get a 3i, to get higher up in the air, so that the effect of rolling is less? When you aim right, do you calculate this wind also, cause this is also extra yards, when you fade or move stick to right? Kind regards. For me, it depends on the green firmness and the amount of green I have to work with. If the pin is tucked 5 yards behind a bunker and is on a firm green, then you better believe I'm going to loft a 3 iron and try to get it to stop as soon as possible. On the other hand, if the greens are medium and there's a decent amount of run-up room, then I'd almost certainly hit a 5 iron with very few loft adjustments. The "true" yardage of the shot is probably something like 186 yards, so a stock 5 iron should be nearly perfect, factoring in the rollout. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your second question. Could you elaborate and/or rephrase, please? |
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Post by Errol1967 on Sept 3, 2016 9:34:53 GMT -5
I dont have many problems with putting, the problem for me is still those approach shots to the green. If I see some players hit the ball close to the pin, Im still wondering how they do that. How do you calculate these...lets say... Approach shot to green 177 Crosswind 10 blowing from north-east to south-west Greenspeed 177 If it was me I get my 4i and fade plusminus 3/4 (1block is 14mph) to the right and halfway up the bar. Or do people actualy get a 3i, to get higher up in the air, so that the effect of rolling is less? When you aim right, do you calculate this wind also, cause this is also extra yards, when you fade or move stick to right? Kind regards. For me, it depends on the green firmness and the amount of green I have to work with. If the pin is tucked 5 yards behind a bunker and is on a firm green, then you better believe I'm going to loft a 3 iron and try to get it to stop as soon as possible. On the other hand, if the greens are medium and there's a decent amount of run-up room, then I'd almost certainly hit a 5 iron with very few loft adjustments. The "true" yardage of the shot is probably something like 186 yards, so a stock 5 iron should be nearly perfect, factoring in the rollout. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your second question. Could you elaborate and/or rephrase, please? Well when you have an approach shot and the wind is blowing for example 12 yards from te west, you have to move your approach shot also with the analog stick. This is also extra yards, cause your not aiming to the pin. |
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Post by c6vette2010 on Sept 3, 2016 11:31:38 GMT -5
Does wind gust randomly in this game. If no, will it gust in TGC2?
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Post by DoubtfulObelisk on Sept 3, 2016 14:25:36 GMT -5
For me, it depends on the green firmness and the amount of green I have to work with. If the pin is tucked 5 yards behind a bunker and is on a firm green, then you better believe I'm going to loft a 3 iron and try to get it to stop as soon as possible. On the other hand, if the greens are medium and there's a decent amount of run-up room, then I'd almost certainly hit a 5 iron with very few loft adjustments. The "true" yardage of the shot is probably something like 186 yards, so a stock 5 iron should be nearly perfect, factoring in the rollout. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by your second question. Could you elaborate and/or rephrase, please? Well when you have an approach shot and the wind is blowing for example 12 yards from te west, you have to move your approach shot also with the analog stick. This is also extra yards, cause your not aiming to the pin. Ah, ok. I guess it should have some effect, at least in theory, but I've never accounted for a pure crosswind in my distance calculations. I think it's too small to notice, really. c6vette2010, in a tour event, it will almost never "gust" more than 2 or 3 mph per shot. In a practice round, you could get a bit more variation in a short time span. I don't know what the wind mechanic in TGC 2 will be like. |
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