In light of the actions of Steve Lillico/Bryan Boomer, we have determined that he shall be banned from competition in TGC Tours events indefinitely. This ban shall not be reconsidered until at least the release of The Golf Club 2 but is not guaranteed to be reconsidered at that time. Much will depend on his demeanor and contributions to the community in the interim.
To that end, we will permit him to continue to participate in the forums, community run events, and submit courses to the community provided he conducts himself appropriately going forward.
I have been to prison, so 2nd chances can be a good thing.
but not everybody in prison did the same things: some did nothing more than steal a pack of gum, happen to be from a race that the locals have a hatred for, and toss him away for a long time some raped or killed other people, happen to be rich, hired a nice lawyer, and have just a little more time to serve than the guy above some commuted serious acts of thievery, such as embezzlement or fraud, got large stacks of cash, got caught and are doing about the same amount of time as the above two some got caught smoking dope, got a little bit of time some got caught pissing in public, got a little bit of time plus a sex offender status put on them some got caught drinking and driving, first time, got a little bit of time plus huge fine and court fees
two sets of bad guys above, 3 got lots of time, 3 got little bits of time
which ones would you be friends with after the fact?
i committed burglary 18 years ago, did my time, and now i am squeaky clean, i even hate speeding, i just dont want to go back......ever.
but this here is the internet, there are different crimes.
so steve is guilty of: cheating, avoiding the original suspension, threats to your staff, and a whole lot of lying.
its not my call, but at a minimum, your minimum seems too easy (tgc2 release), i feel that 1 year still needs to be upheld before any other thoughts are started. and retrospect that starting from the other day when you outed him publicly. that one year is for the masters cheating, i would then consider additional time for the threats and the suspension avoidance.
He obviously loves this place.. I hope he sticks around and makes it happen as Steve.. Minus the threats to other members.. People make mistakes.. He is a quality designer.. I would love to see him help new designers.. Play new courses listed in the forum and give feedback on what could be better and what is good.. It can be frustrating when a new course is listed and nobody runs out and plays it.. So, Steve.. Get out there on Timber Rock and let me know what you think.. (Shameless plug in a thread many will read) Sometimes a taste of humble pie is good for you and makes you appreciate the people around you more.. I've had my share of humble pie.. Good luck Steve.. When I get home from work, I will change my profile pic back to my golf ball
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Post by PhlyerPhanatic31 on Aug 3, 2016 14:06:16 GMT -5
I look at Steve coming back before serving his initial sentence as a form of a "parole violation". Therefore in my opinion the ban on actual tour competitions should be fitting to what would happen should someone in RL commit such an offence. I think because of what Steve has contributed to the community he's getting off lightly. I would hope if this was to happen to someone who didn't contribute courses and other forum input that they would get off just as lightly, but unfortunately I don't think that would be the case.
Seems fair to me. I like Steve and enjoy his contributions, cheating and threats aside. But this game and community, not to mention the very basic tenets of golf are about personal responsibility, accountability and honesty. If you don't abide by those things you'll lose many of the players here and destroy the community. If I know cheating isn't hammered hard then how can I compete and why would I stay here? From the very beginning my driving force has been knowing others are doing things I'm not doing, but that I can figure it out and find a way to compete. I'll never cheat and wouldn't know how to if I wanted, so it's important that I know the playing field is even...The Machine aside. Steve made mistakes and needs to serve the time, and I hope he finds a way to make it back, but it's important that anyone caught cheating be immediately banned. Good call by the staff.
Well done. Let's hope he can obide by the rules this time. I'm all for second chances, if he comes back it will be his 3rd chance, so he has some work to do. If he does stay active on the forums, let's hope there's a shift in attitude. Act with a little more humility and be respectful to everyone here. Do that Steve, and time will heal the wounds. People will forgive and forget, and you still have a place here. The balls in your court though. Please don't @!$# up again
Post by ErixonStone on Aug 3, 2016 14:35:11 GMT -5
The original suspension term began after the Master's in April 2015 and lasted "for the rest of season 1" which ended in September 2015. That's a period of six months. The player did sit out tournaments for the remainder of April, and all of May and June, before returning in July - a period of more than two months.
The player, under an assumed name, returned and has played fairly by all rules since his return a little more than one year ago.
TGC2 is slated for release in Q1 2017, and it is yet unclear when TGCTours would officially make a switch to the new game. Let's, for argument's sake assume TGC2 is released and TGCTours switches over in time for the 2017 Master's.
Today is August 3. The 2017 Master's is 8 months away. Combined with the nearly 3 months the player has already served, that's effectively an 11-month suspension, almost double the original punishment. Even still, the TGCTours staff is reserving the right to deny reinstatement at that time.
I think that's fair.
Personally, I look forward to his return. I find his courses to be of exceptional quality, and I find him to be a helpful player with a lot of skill - based on Doyley's assertion that no cheating has occurred on the BoomBoom account. I do not feel the player has disadvantaged me in any way, also based on the staff's assertion.
While I am disappointed at the turn of events and the player's actions in the immediate wake of the information coming to light, I'm not bothered by his actions after having been suspended.
This is an online community where we play in video game tournaments for imaginary money. I assume no one is who they say they are, which lets me imagine everyone is a smoking hot single adult woman.
I understand that others may not share the same sentiments and that they may be truly hurt by the deception. Online communities are a funny thing in that, even though we hardly know anyone, we still treat each other like close neighbors. Lashing out in anger is a natural reaction to feeling duped or lied to, even when some anonymous person is the offender.
Suspension was handed out fast and fair. All one can ask. Hopefully we all as a community can move past this and let Steve walk his own path and do with it what he finds fit. Hopefully that is to return as a contributing member of the community once again.
**EDIIT** Stop the presses! I wrote this before I read the post in the Clubhouse with his response. I think he should own up and show some humility first before he comes back to the community as a contributing member. Suspension is fine but getting involved again till he rights the ship could be cancerous to the community. People taking sides and arguing over petty stuff in defense more than they do now. Own up for the wrong and all can be forgiven. I mean FFS you threatened a man over a video game. Chill out Kelley Clarkston. If you continue to play the victim.....Well
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