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Post by mnguy12000 on Sept 25, 2015 8:24:44 GMT -5
I heard garritty started out on cce some performance's lately he must have had a dreadful qshool or something See this is the big problem on how Q school is done. If we would have 2 rounds on easy, Med then Hard he would have easily been placed in Web. As he would have scored much better in the 3 or 4 earlier rounds.
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Post by mnguy12000 on Sept 25, 2015 8:34:10 GMT -5
CC-A is currently playing to a standard that will be web worthy in the new season. Rumours of about 100 odd web cards being dished out means the majority of CC-A will be in web. I should imagine Garrity will be pushing for a pga/euro card soon into the new season. I wouldn't worry about it guys. Yeah I agree. But that is the problem. Garrity should have been placed right into PGA/Euro, but my guess is he got destroyed by the two course that give everyone fits. I would say keep those in, but make the first 2 events play like CC, then Web, then PGA. hat I think is this; Multiple winners should be able to get a Exemption to PGA/Euro tour as well. It would be like getting a sponsors invite, give them a chance to make the jump. It is probably a lot to keep track of, but it would be a benefit to those who crashed and burned in Q school to still get their PGA card if they truly deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 11:08:05 GMT -5
CC-A is currently playing to a standard that will be web worthy in the new season. Rumours of about 100 odd web cards being dished out means the majority of CC-A will be in web. I should imagine Garrity will be pushing for a pga/euro card soon into the new season. I wouldn't worry about it guys. Yeah I agree. But that is the problem. Garrity should have been placed right into PGA/Euro, but my guess is he got destroyed by the two course that give everyone fits. I would say keep those in, but make the first 2 events play like CC, then Web, then PGA. hat I think is this; Multiple winners should be able to get a Exemption to PGA/Euro tour as well. It would be like getting a sponsors invite, give them a chance to make the jump. It is probably a lot to keep track of, but it would be a benefit to those who crashed and burned in Q school to still get their PGA card if they truly deserve it. Time will allow players to get to the top levels. It's not like their skill level is going to fall off of a cliff. I don't even know which two courses you mean by "getting destroyed on." My scores way back when were within 6 strokes from best to worst among the 6 courses. Anyways, if you have two courses play like CC, two courses play like Web, and two courses play like PGA/Euro then the opposite problem will happen that too many people are placed in tours or CC tiers too high for their skill level. In response, the next step would be that the scoring for tour placement would be adjusted making lower scores needed. Then you are right back where you started with this theory. There are always outliers. It happens. Over time things balance out. The process of moving up (exemptions and promotion criteria) is quite a bit easier now than it was earlier in the year. You realize there are multiple winners on CC-Z, right? Is it realistic to have them have a PGA/Euro exemption? There are criteria in place for moving up, and it works. Here is another example of someone who started out far below their actual skill level: tgctours.com/Player/Overview/17365He will be earning his Pro card at the end of the Web.com Finals. The process works.
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Post by nantez88 on Sept 25, 2015 11:36:56 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. But that is the problem.  Garrity should have been placed right into PGA/Euro, but my guess is he got destroyed by the two course that give everyone fits.  I would say keep those in, but make the first 2 events play like CC, then Web, then PGA.  hat I think is this;  Multiple winners should be able to get a Exemption to PGA/Euro tour as well.  It would be like getting a sponsors invite, give them a chance to make the jump.  It is probably a lot to keep track of,  but it would be a benefit to those who crashed and burned in Q school to still get their PGA card if they truly deserve it.  Time will allow players to get to the top levels. It's not like their skill level is going to fall off of a cliff. I don't even know which two courses you mean by "getting destroyed on." My scores way back when were within 6 strokes from best to worst among the 6 courses. Anyways, if you have two courses play like CC, two courses play like Web, and two courses play like PGA/Euro then the opposite problem will happen that too many people are placed in tours or CC tiers too high for their skill level. In response, the next step would be that the scoring for tour placement would be adjusted making lower scores needed. Then you are right back where you started with this theory. There are always outliers. It happens. Over time things balance out. The process of moving up (exemptions and promotion criteria) is quite a bit easier now than it was earlier in the year. You realize there are multiple winners on CC-Z, right? Is it realistic to have them have a PGA/Euro exemption? There are criteria in place for moving up, and it works. Here is another example of someone who started out far below their actual skill level: tgctours.com/Player/Overview/17365He will be earning his Pro card at the end of the Web.com Finals. The process works. Hopefully it will be all sorted next season like I said in an earlier post I'd love to see them take all current players average scoring from when they joined and categorize them into different levels.I'd also like to see to see players from CCE, D or B Etc if they have a win and are matching the scoring getting promoted up two divisions or so.I'm currently in A but a couple of weeks ago there are lads in C shooting way better scores than me by a country mile so the system is flawed. I think obviously qschool is the problem but it's a hard one to fix what happens when the next batch of players come in and the ones after that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -5
Time will allow players to get to the top levels. It's not like their skill level is going to fall off of a cliff. I don't even know which two courses you mean by "getting destroyed on." My scores way back when were within 6 strokes from best to worst among the 6 courses. Anyways, if you have two courses play like CC, two courses play like Web, and two courses play like PGA/Euro then the opposite problem will happen that too many people are placed in tours or CC tiers too high for their skill level. In response, the next step would be that the scoring for tour placement would be adjusted making lower scores needed. Then you are right back where you started with this theory. There are always outliers. It happens. Over time things balance out. The process of moving up (exemptions and promotion criteria) is quite a bit easier now than it was earlier in the year. You realize there are multiple winners on CC-Z, right? Is it realistic to have them have a PGA/Euro exemption? There are criteria in place for moving up, and it works. Here is another example of someone who started out far below their actual skill level: tgctours.com/Player/Overview/17365He will be earning his Pro card at the end of the Web.com Finals. The process works. Hopefully it will be all sorted next season like I said in an earlier post I'd love to see them take all current players average scoring from when they joined and categorize them into different levels.I'd also like to see to see players from CCE, D or B Etc if they have a win and are matching the scoring getting promoted up two divisions or so. I'm currently in A but a couple of weeks ago there are lads in C shooting way better scores than me by a country mile so the system is flawed. I think obviously qschool is the problem but it's a hard one to fix what happens when the next batch of players come in and the ones after that? There is no perfect system, so they have allowed ways for movement. Yes, those in CC-C scoring way higher are in a tier lower than they probably should be. They will move up. If you are in CC-A and not getting demotion strikes, then you belong in that tour. Also, this may not be true still, but I remember Doyley stating that there will be an event in December. And you may just get the different courses you were looking for: Q-School (in December) will be for all current/active CC members Play 6 courses / 1 round each # of available Web.com Tour cards TBD If you don't earn a Web.com Tour Card you return to your previous flight Will be different courses than original Q-School (see note on that version below) *** Current Q-School will be renamed to TGCT Qualifier and still be used to sort new members onto tours tgctours.proboards.com/thread/4473/end-season-info-all-tours
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Post by nantez88 on Sept 25, 2015 12:28:31 GMT -5
Ah very good didn't know about that thanks. What do you think about the ranking system too?more rank points on the lower tours?? Sure that would give lads the incentive to stay where they are or to hack on purpose in qschool to get into the lower leagues and then ripping up the wins and shooting up the rankings.how can a lad on d be a higher world ranking than in B?that's like a lad from the amatuer tour being ranked higher than lets say Bubba watson or so for an example haha it proves my point that the system is flawed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 12:48:59 GMT -5
wgr is not only based on performance, but also amount of tournaments played. the minimum divisor is 40 tournaments. since we have not yet had 40 weeks yet, everyone still has a 40 divisor. So someone who has played a dozen tournaments with decent to good results is going to be above someone with five tournaments with a win or two. The same with someone with 25-30 tournaments on Web over a PGA player with just 15 tournaments despite the latters' better results.
It mimics the real world WGR formula. But, like I said, it isnt fully in effect as it is over a two year period with a minimum divisi r of 40 and a maximum of 52. That divisor is based on the number of tournaments in a 2 year period.
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Post by yaters on Sept 25, 2015 13:57:03 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. But that is the problem. Garrity should have been placed right into PGA/Euro, but my guess is he got destroyed by the two course that give everyone fits. I would say keep those in, but make the first 2 events play like CC, then Web, then PGA. hat I think is this; Multiple winners should be able to get a Exemption to PGA/Euro tour as well. It would be like getting a sponsors invite, give them a chance to make the jump. It is probably a lot to keep track of, but it would be a benefit to those who crashed and burned in Q school to still get their PGA card if they truly deserve it. Time will allow players to get to the top levels. It's not like their skill level is going to fall off of a cliff. I don't even know which two courses you mean by "getting destroyed on." My scores way back when were within 6 strokes from best to worst among the 6 courses. Anyways, if you have two courses play like CC, two courses play like Web, and two courses play like PGA/Euro then the opposite problem will happen that too many people are placed in tours or CC tiers too high for their skill level. In response, the next step would be that the scoring for tour placement would be adjusted making lower scores needed. Then you are right back where you started with this theory. There are always outliers. It happens. Over time things balance out. The process of moving up (exemptions and promotion criteria) is quite a bit easier now than it was earlier in the year. You realize there are multiple winners on CC-Z, right? Is it realistic to have them have a PGA/Euro exemption? There are criteria in place for moving up, and it works. Here is another example of someone who started out far below their actual skill level: tgctours.com/Player/Overview/17365He will be earning his Pro card at the end of the Web.com Finals. The process works. Theses are good points. No perfect system and it has a way of evening out. And this is year one so there will certainly be some time before things level off a bit. The tour is open for anyone so there is a constant influx of new people. I'm not sure I could think of a better way to do this. You might have people sign up join a certain flight, give them a required score to reach, and go from there. If they don't make it they can only try a flight below that next time. There are flaws in that plan too. The system seems to work. It just gets a little funky at the end of the season where the top guys are all bottled up in CC-A waiting to get a chance to move.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Sept 25, 2015 15:57:02 GMT -5
The system is fine and there will always be players who start the game and get tremendously better within weeks. When I played Q-school at the end of July, I shot +64 and was placed in CC-D and my WGR was 1600 something. I am now in CC-A and my WGR is 535 (I think). My problem (and I am sure many others) was I joined TGC Tours within days of getting the game. I took no time to even practice. Once I got going I figured the game out quickly and started shooting well. In the end, it all evens out. CC-C is the unfortunate level where the this type of thing happens most, that's why it usually has the most players per tournament. Everyone eventually gets to where they should be.
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Post by feng187 on Sept 26, 2015 1:35:55 GMT -5
The system is fine and there will always be players who start the game and get tremendously better within weeks. When I played Q-school at the end of July, I shot +64 and was placed in CC-D and my WGR was 1600 something. I am now in CC-A and my WGR is 535 (I think). My problem (and I am sure many others) was I joined TGC Tours within days of getting the game. I took no time to even practice. Once I got going I figured the game out quickly and started shooting well. In the end, it all evens out. CC-C is the unfortunate level where the this type of thing happens most, that's why it usually has the most players per tournament. Everyone eventually gets to where they should be. I agree the system is fine and most things will even out over weeks as guys find their feet and get better at the game, I'm not sure there is any better way of doing it to be honest. The only problem is the system is open to abuse and its down to the honour of the players in the end whether they genuinely had a really bad Q School as they were new to the game or whether the purposely shot high to get to a lower flight in CC. For instance how is it possible to shoot +60 and above in Q school and then shoot in the -30's in your first tournament in CC unless you are hiding your true ability. I am just making a point here by the way and I am not accusing you of doing this as you said you worked out the game over time and moved up, I just quoted you as you made a good point that shows the system works but could be abused also.
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Post by canthitstraight on Sept 26, 2015 2:47:51 GMT -5
Absolute amazing shooting this week Steven Garrity and Anthony McDonald. Too bad there can be only one winner even though both of you averaged under 60 per round.
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Post by nantez88 on Sept 26, 2015 7:13:17 GMT -5
The system is fine and there will always be players who start the game and get tremendously better within weeks. When I played Q-school at the end of July, I shot +64 and was placed in CC-D and my WGR was 1600 something. I am now in CC-A and my WGR is 535 (I think). My problem (and I am sure many others) was I joined TGC Tours within days of getting the game. I took no time to even practice. Once I got going I figured the game out quickly and started shooting well. In the end, it all evens out. CC-C is the unfortunate level where the this type of thing happens most, that's why it usually has the most players per tournament. Everyone eventually gets to where they should be. I totally agree about it evening out over time but don't forget what happens when the next batch of players come in off qschool and the ones after that the problem will just persist and you'll have top players coming in where they shouldn't be and obliviating the field. This is why I Think if this happens there should be a straight jump up to the next flight or even 2 flights depending on how low you shoot and then give exemptions from outside top 5 -15 to give players a shot at the next level. It can only make them better playing with a better field and if they aren't good enough they'll get their strikes and drop down one level
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Post by Mick on Sept 26, 2015 7:17:09 GMT -5
-25 overall and I'm currently on the cut line, just goes to show how many good players are out there. At least they are not giving out strikes this week, lol.
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Post by dorksirjur on Sept 26, 2015 8:51:33 GMT -5
What is the cut line? 70 and below?
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Post by feng187 on Sept 26, 2015 9:05:16 GMT -5
-25 overall and I'm currently on the cut line, just goes to show how many good players are out there. At least they are not giving out strikes this week, lol. Yeah the level in CC has got so high now it's unreal, my worst score was +3 on that Hawaiian course which was my first tournament and just about avoided a strike, got one at Fraxinus with -5 I think and have been trying to get rid of it since and my best finish of -38 this week seems to be good enough. It's amazing to think -25 would get a strike this week if they were in place.
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