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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 2:42:30 GMT -5
We will have a period during W39 where PGA and Euro tour members that didn't compete in the Web.com Tour Finals will be able to request a switch to the other tour (via email to commish@tgctours.com). I would hope that the balance of talent on both tours will remain equal - if we find that it's a mass exodus one way or the other we'll have to put full stop rather quickly. The way both tours work I could see a mass exodus from Euro to PGA because if you're on Euro and below Mitchell in 6th you probably won't be winning Race to Dubai whilst get in the top 125 in US and you have a chance. There needs to be incentive to stay on Euros and with Ryder Cup usually taking the last 2 years of Race to Dubai points if I'm not mistaken maybe this could be that? |
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Post by silap on Aug 14, 2015 3:06:00 GMT -5
We will have a period during W39 where PGA and Euro tour members that didn't compete in the Web.com Tour Finals will be able to request a switch to the other tour (via email to commish@tgctours.com). I would hope that the balance of talent on both tours will remain equal - if we find that it's a mass exodus one way or the other we'll have to put full stop rather quickly. The way both tours work I could see a mass exodus from Euro to PGA because if you're on Euro and below Mitchell in 6th you probably won't be winning Race to Dubai whilst get in the top 125 in US and you have a chance. There needs to be incentive to stay on Euros and with Ryder Cup usually taking the last 2 years of Race to Dubai points if I'm not mistaken maybe this could be that? Agreed!
The 'How to qualify IRL' can be found here
If I would translate and simplify the matter I'd say: - Cat. 1 The first 5 available Euro's in the Race to Dubai (season 2) by ??-??-2016 qualify automatically
- Cat. 2 The first 5 availiable Euro's on the WGR, not in Cat.1, qualify automatically
- Cat. 3 Two captain's picks
Show the candy, before W39, and keep the Race to Dubai interesting.
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Post by mcbogga on Aug 14, 2015 3:40:41 GMT -5
Looking at the Euro tour course selection, moving of events, match play not being match play etc... I'd say there are some really compelling reasons to move over to the PGA tour since it's getting more attention.
Maybe extend the team with a Euro tour commissioner (TD) to share the load and revive the euro tour?
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Post by rod81simo on Aug 14, 2015 3:59:45 GMT -5
Looking at the Euro tour course selection, moving of events, match play not being match play etc... I'd say there are some really compelling reasons to move over to the PGA tour since it's getting more attention. Maybe extend the team with a Euro tour commissioner (TD) to share the load and revive the euro tour? A bit harsh mate. The changes had to be made to the schedule IMO |
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Aug 14, 2015 4:45:22 GMT -5
All this end of season talk is getting me depressed...  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 5:02:21 GMT -5
The way both tours work I could see a mass exodus from Euro to PGA because if you're on Euro and below Mitchell in 6th you probably won't be winning Race to Dubai whilst get in the top 125 in US and you have a chance. There needs to be incentive to stay on Euros and with Ryder Cup usually taking the last 2 years of Race to Dubai points if I'm not mistaken maybe this could be that? Agreed!
The 'How to qualify IRL' can be found here
If I would translate and simplify the matter I'd say: - Cat. 1 The first 5 available Euro's in the Race to Dubai (season 2) by ??-??-2016 qualify automatically
- Cat. 2 The first 5 availiable Euro's on the WGR, not in Cat.1, qualify automatically
- Cat. 3 Two captain's picks
Show the candy, before W39, and keep the Race to Dubai interesting.
And the reason it's only top 5 is because in real life the best players crossover to the more lucrative PGA Tour. So maybe, if balancing the tours is the goal, you could just make it top 10 on the Dubai Points over the two year period with two captain picks. I think this is what it used to be back in the day before more and more players went to the PGA. This gives Europeans more incentive to stay on Euro Tour. |
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Post by blackaces13 on Aug 14, 2015 5:38:45 GMT -5
Isn't the PGA already the clear #1 tour, with the Euro Tour an obvious notch down in real life?
I see a lot of people lamenting the possibility of these tours being on different tiers next year, but it just mimics reality. There is more money on the PGA Tour, hence it gets the best players.
Why is this a problem if that same pattern emerges in TGCT?
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Post by splittailace on Aug 14, 2015 6:50:59 GMT -5
I would disagree. Look at the top players on here. A whole slew of them are on the euro tour. They are equal in talent for the most part. Hell, I've tried to play a few events over there and missed the cut in all but one of them!
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Post by blackaces13 on Aug 14, 2015 7:30:55 GMT -5
My statement about the relative merit of the 2 tours was in regard to real life, not here.
Here there is currently great parity, in real life there is not, the PGA is the superior tour.
My question is, why is it necessarily a bad thing if our league changes in a way that emulates reality?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 8:27:53 GMT -5
This way have been asked, but this thread is long and haven't read it all, so if it is a repeat, I apologize.
For the Barclays (FedEx event #1 week 34) it says:
-top 125 active PGA members on FedEx Cup points list eligible (including major and WGC winners)
Then if you look for the Web.com Finals, it says this for PGA card holders defending their card:
PGA Tour - active card holders outside top 100 on FedEx Cup points standings after W35 finalized
So it is possible for someone to qualify for and play in the FedEx playoffs and if they do poorly in the first event, they have to go and defend their card come week 36 in the Web.com Finals?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 8:53:48 GMT -5
One more:
Can the top 10 in the Web.com $$ earnings that have earned a PGA card still play in the Web.com Finals?
Also, what about the Battlefield Promotion player that gets their card late in the year and then finishes outside of the top 100 in FedEx by the start of the Web.com Finals? While they are exempt and earned their card for all of next year as per Doyley's post, they do fit the criteria to play in the Web.com Finals: PGA Tour - active card holders outside top 100 on FedEx Cup points standings after W35 finalized
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Post by Pubknight on Aug 14, 2015 8:59:21 GMT -5
My statement about the relative merit of the 2 tours was in regard to real life, not here. Here there is currently great parity, in real life there is not, the PGA is the superior tour. My question is, why is it necessarily a bad thing if our league changes in a way that emulates reality? I agree. My understanding of the history is the original intent (here) was PGA was to be #1, Euro was to be #2. There was a bit of pushback from members that felt the two should be equal. So they were made equal. And that's all fine and well. But the reality (real life reality) is they are not equal. There is simply more money available on the PGA tour, and for guys that are playing golf for a living, that is what matters. So if you have the chance to play on the PGA tour, you do. While I respect the concept of PGA and Euro being equal at TGCTours, truth be told I never thought it would be sustainable. And I'm not sure it should be. |
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Post by Doyley on Aug 14, 2015 9:16:37 GMT -5
So it is possible for someone to qualify for and play in the FedEx playoffs and if they do poorly in the first event, they have to go and defend their card come week 36 in the Web.com Finals? yes |
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Post by bentfivewood on Aug 14, 2015 9:22:20 GMT -5
Only one solution to the Euro vs PGA talk...
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Post by edi_vedder on Aug 14, 2015 20:19:58 GMT -5
My statement about the relative merit of the 2 tours was in regard to real life, not here. Here there is currently great parity, in real life there is not, the PGA is the superior tour. My question is, why is it necessarily a bad thing if our league changes in a way that emulates reality? It basically is not a bad idea. But if TGCT is going that way, there needs to be some kind of criteria to qualify for the PGA Tour Card (may it be WGR or something else), and everybody else gets to play in Europe. Because if there's no criteria, we gonna have that (gratuitous) exodus over to the PGA next season that Doyley was talking about earlier... and I think this is something that nobody wants to have (players or the admins of this fantastic site)! |
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