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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 12, 2015 15:35:51 GMT -5
I don't get it either. I followed some ghost balls( of 57's and 60's) and every approach into a green has been a dart at the pin...stops dead..no roll out...2-3 ft away..EVERY GREEN and it doesn't matter how far out they are. I'm lucky to get within 10 feet on 2 holes per round. Have to get a feel for how to drop one in with 8-iron or less and for how to land short and roll up with the longer clubs. That combination with factoring wind and playing draw/fade when necessary. Just lots of practice until it's second nature, just like knowing how to line up putts and gauging how hard to hit them. With all the calculations and equations I often wonder how long it takes some people to play a round.
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Post by smytty66 on Aug 12, 2015 16:19:52 GMT -5
I don't use any charts. I go strictly by feel.
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Post by jeff on Aug 12, 2015 22:31:04 GMT -5
Aaaaand, following that up with a second 91 for a total of +AShitLoadOfStrokes. Just as I thought I had gotten better. Well, nope. It actually feels like I'm getting worse the more I play. I'm almost a better golfer IRL than in the game sometimes. I actually am when it comes to raw scoring, though I hit more fairways and greens in TGC. Still, I know where you are coming from. Every time I play I have that one round that trashes the whole tournament
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Post by Orion on Aug 13, 2015 1:18:19 GMT -5
Kiwi,
Wondered where you've been. Oh, that's right, winter time in your part of the world. Hope you get better and go back to work, the course needs your blood also. Not quite the same amount of blood being shed this week, but still leaking more than normal. Round 4 will be the winder round, so beware, 13-15 mph, could have been worse.
Orion..................
Been out of action *man flu* a lil dizzy, cold shivers still remain, hope to be back by the weekend .. to finish off the tournament
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Post by Orion on Aug 13, 2015 1:45:36 GMT -5
Phlyer, Quoted you on this just to say something to you about watching you play a few courses where I have Ghosted you while do some reviews. IMHO, I think that since you have come down to the CC-E level, this is exactly where you belong. Your game looks pretty solid with respect to your driving, pitches and overall course management. Just like all of the rest of us here, the issues lie with the putting and the needed corrections with the winds. Things that are sometimes a mystery to me when I seem to be getting the feel for it and then it all starts to go bad and the frustrations take over. As you know, and I can see your attempts to aim correctly while playing, it is all about those approach shots. The Big Dogs perform this so well, under all conditions it seems, that is why they can get those ridiculously low scores. They just never seem to have to put outside of 5 or 6 feet most times. As for reading the breaks, just like me, you seem to know exactly what to do, just struggle with the speed and distances. A few holes, I observed you lining up the putts with very adept adjustments, the speed was the problem. Your time here should help you get better at these things, and I think that in time, you will see your improvement.
So, overall I am saying that you have all the basics for better playing, but like all of us here in CC-E you are struggling with the same issues we all are. So, keep the head up and keep doing what you are doing, think that in time, and with the help of some courses better suited to our skill level, you will get better and more comfortable with your game and the improvements will happen. The last course that I ghosted you was next weeks course, Fraxinus. Up until hole #18, you did not play all that badly, and I think when you played it the winds were a little stronger than what it was when I played. Hope that you do have a good run at this course, think that it is a good course for us down here at our level.
Orion.....................
With all the calculations and equations I often wonder how long it takes some people to play a round.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Aug 13, 2015 2:59:40 GMT -5
Phlyer, Quoted you on this just to say something to you about watching you play a few courses where I have Ghosted you while do some reviews. IMHO, I think that since you have come down to the CC-E level, this is exactly where you belong. Your game looks pretty solid with respect to your driving, pitches and overall course management. Just like all of the rest of us here, the issues lie with the putting and the needed corrections with the winds. Things that are sometimes a mystery to me when I seem to be getting the feel for it and then it all starts to go bad and the frustrations take over. As you know, and I can see your attempts to aim correctly while playing, it is all about those approach shots. The Big Dogs perform this so well, under all conditions it seems, that is why they can get those ridiculously low scores. They just never seem to have to put outside of 5 or 6 feet most times. As for reading the breaks, just like me, you seem to know exactly what to do, just struggle with the speed and distances. A few holes, I observed you lining up the putts with very adept adjustments, the speed was the problem. Your time here should help you get better at these things, and I think that in time, you will see your improvement.
So, overall I am saying that you have all the basics for better playing, but like all of us here in CC-E you are struggling with the same issues we all are. So, keep the head up and keep doing what you are doing, think that in time, and with the help of some courses better suited to our skill level, you will get better and more comfortable with your game and the improvements will happen. The last course that I ghosted you was next weeks course, Fraxinus. Up until hole #18, you did not play all that badly, and I think when you played it the winds were a little stronger than what it was when I played. Hope that you do have a good run at this course, think that it is a good course for us down here at our level.
Orion.....................
With all the calculations and equations I often wonder how long it takes some people to play a round. Thanks for the kind words Orion. I feel my game is slowly improving and the courses the next few weeks are going to help me gain some much needed confidence. The main struggles I have in most of my rounds is I group bad holes. They seem to come in bunches. Say if I hit a bogey or double bogey, I find myself trying to gain those strokes right back over the next few holes and it backfires into a stretch of 4 or 5 over in a 3 hole stretch because I take too many risks. I have to use better course management and allow the bad hole to be gone and the course to come back to me. Number 18 at Fraxinus was a killer on me the 1st couple of rounds i played it, but now I just power to the back on my second shot(club up) and chip close and settle for birdie or par. The couple of rounds I played in the stronger winds I got stuck down low and took a couple strokes to get back up top. I like the next few courses...The Timberwolf ate me alive yesterday when I played it...I think I carded a 79 with 2 in the water.
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Post by BIELSALUFC on Aug 13, 2015 5:41:22 GMT -5
Phlyer, Quoted you on this just to say something to you about watching you play a few courses where I have Ghosted you while do some reviews. IMHO, I think that since you have come down to the CC-E level, this is exactly where you belong. Your game looks pretty solid with respect to your driving, pitches and overall course management. Just like all of the rest of us here, the issues lie with the putting and the needed corrections with the winds. Things that are sometimes a mystery to me when I seem to be getting the feel for it and then it all starts to go bad and the frustrations take over. As you know, and I can see your attempts to aim correctly while playing, it is all about those approach shots. The Big Dogs perform this so well, under all conditions it seems, that is why they can get those ridiculously low scores. They just never seem to have to put outside of 5 or 6 feet most times. As for reading the breaks, just like me, you seem to know exactly what to do, just struggle with the speed and distances. A few holes, I observed you lining up the putts with very adept adjustments, the speed was the problem. Your time here should help you get better at these things, and I think that in time, you will see your improvement.
So, overall I am saying that you have all the basics for better playing, but like all of us here in CC-E you are struggling with the same issues we all are. So, keep the head up and keep doing what you are doing, think that in time, and with the help of some courses better suited to our skill level, you will get better and more comfortable with your game and the improvements will happen. The last course that I ghosted you was next weeks course, Fraxinus. Up until hole #18, you did not play all that badly, and I think when you played it the winds were a little stronger than what it was when I played. Hope that you do have a good run at this course, think that it is a good course for us down here at our level.
Orion.....................
Thanks for the kind words Orion. I feel my game is slowly improving and the courses the next few weeks are going to help me gain some much needed confidence. The main struggles I have in most of my rounds is I group bad holes. They seem to come in bunches. Say if I hit a bogey or double bogey, I find myself trying to gain those strokes right back over the next few holes and it backfires into a stretch of 4 or 5 over in a 3 hole stretch because I take too many risks. I have to use better course management and allow the bad hole to be gone and the course to come back to me. Number 18 at Fraxinus was a killer on me the 1st couple of rounds i played it, but now I just power to the back on my second shot(club up) and chip close and settle for birdie or par. The couple of rounds I played in the stronger winds I got stuck down low and took a couple strokes to get back up top. I like the next few courses...The Timberwolf ate me alive yesterday when I played it...I think I carded a 79 with 2 in the water. I get this. A new friend of mine and a far better player than i am told me to focus on making par and if you get the chance to make birdies, that's great, but not to take too many risks. Play a 5 as a 3 shot hole instead of taking unnecessary risks etc etc.
I think this was really good advice. Course management is very important.
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Post by Henric on Aug 13, 2015 5:41:18 GMT -5
The Sunday course is very tricky. Managed sub-par on almost all of the other days, but Sundays wind and pin positions makes it very difficult for me. One practice round so far and ended up shooting 80. Could have been worse though...
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Post by BIELSALUFC on Aug 13, 2015 5:59:18 GMT -5
The Sunday course is very tricky. Managed sub-par on almost all of the other days, but Sundays wind and pin positions makes it very difficult for me. One practice round so far and ended up shooting 80. Could have been worse though... Haven't played Sunday yet. Find the course much easier than the previous 2 but will need to concentrate as there are troublesome areas as there should be on any course. Plays a lot differently in the wind.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Aug 13, 2015 7:25:26 GMT -5
Putting is a tough one. Here is what I have found in the last week and it helps a ton. Anything 10 ft. and over I use the higher overhead view for putting (the third view in putting view). That way I can judge the distance I am taking the putter back. Depending on the total ft. of the putter, the back foot of the golfer is around 10 ft. (I mean if you take your putter back to the back foot, the ball should travel roughly 10 ft.). Anything 10 ft. and in or anything downhill to where I am hitting at a 10 ft. or in putt, I use the closer view and never take the putter past the back foot. Anything 4 ft. and in play minimal break and pull it back halfway/to the start of the back foot and it should be good. Anything 2-3 ft. and you should just be able to power one in with no break or just inside the cup (not too hard though, keep it halfway to the back foot).
If you line your yellow marker up correctly combined with knowing how far to take the putter back to get distances, you should see your putts coming very close or no more than 3-5 ft. past. The yellow marker is the key. Anything uphill, you take the 150% elevation and add 2. So if you had a 30 ft. putt at 8 inches uphill, you would take 8, add 4, and then add 2 to get a total of 14. Add that 14 to the total distance of the putt which would give you 44 ft. You would then move your yellow marker up to 44ft. and make your putter stroke to that distance, not the 30 ft.
For downhill putts, you take the elevation and subtract 1-2 and then subtract that from your total distance. Again, say you had a 30 ft. putt at 8 inches downhill. You would take 8, subtract 1-2 (which gives you 6-7), and subtract that from 30. So you would then move your yellow marker to 23-24 ft. and make your stroke to that distance.
There is some feel involved in the downhill putts though so sometimes it may be better to hit less than what is calculated, but that is experience. Judging the breaks is purely based on experience. Just understand that downhill putts will break more, uphill will break less.
Sorry if this is confusing or unwanted.
Phlyer, Quoted you on this just to say something to you about watching you play a few courses where I have Ghosted you while do some reviews. IMHO, I think that since you have come down to the CC-E level, this is exactly where you belong. Your game looks pretty solid with respect to your driving, pitches and overall course management. Just like all of the rest of us here, the issues lie with the putting and the needed corrections with the winds. Things that are sometimes a mystery to me when I seem to be getting the feel for it and then it all starts to go bad and the frustrations take over. As you know, and I can see your attempts to aim correctly while playing, it is all about those approach shots. The Big Dogs perform this so well, under all conditions it seems, that is why they can get those ridiculously low scores. They just never seem to have to put outside of 5 or 6 feet most times. As for reading the breaks, just like me, you seem to know exactly what to do, just struggle with the speed and distances. A few holes, I observed you lining up the putts with very adept adjustments, the speed was the problem. Your time here should help you get better at these things, and I think that in time, you will see your improvement.
So, overall I am saying that you have all the basics for better playing, but like all of us here in CC-E you are struggling with the same issues we all are. So, keep the head up and keep doing what you are doing, think that in time, and with the help of some courses better suited to our skill level, you will get better and more comfortable with your game and the improvements will happen. The last course that I ghosted you was next weeks course, Fraxinus. Up until hole #18, you did not play all that badly, and I think when you played it the winds were a little stronger than what it was when I played. Hope that you do have a good run at this course, think that it is a good course for us down here at our level.
Orion.....................
With all the calculations and equations I often wonder how long it takes some people to play a round.
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Post by BIELSALUFC on Aug 13, 2015 9:32:40 GMT -5
Putting is a tough one. Here is what I have found in the last week and it helps a ton. Anything 10 ft. and over I use the higher overhead view for putting (the third view in putting view). That way I can judge the distance I am taking the putter back. Depending on the total ft. of the putter, the back foot of the golfer is around 10 ft. (I mean if you take your putter back to the back foot, the ball should travel roughly 10 ft.). Anything 10 ft. and in or anything downhill to where I am hitting at a 10 ft. or in putt, I use the closer view and never take the putter past the back foot. Anything 4 ft. and in play minimal break and pull it back halfway/to the start of the back foot and it should be good. Anything 2-3 ft. and you should just be able to power one in with no break or just inside the cup (not too hard though, keep it halfway to the back foot).
If you line your yellow marker up correctly combined with knowing how far to take the putter back to get distances, you should see your putts coming very close or no more than 3-5 ft. past. The yellow marker is the key. Anything uphill, you take the 150% elevation and add 2. So if you had a 30 ft. putt at 8 inches uphill, you would take 8, add 4, and then add 2 to get a total of 14. Add that 14 to the total distance of the putt which would give you 44 ft. You would then move your yellow marker up to 44ft. and make your putter stroke to that distance, not the 30 ft.
For downhill putts, you take the elevation and subtract 1-2 and then subtract that from your total distance. Again, say you had a 30 ft. putt at 8 inches downhill. You would take 8, subtract 1-2 (which gives you 6-7), and subtract that from 30. So you would then move your yellow marker to 23-24 ft. and make your stroke to that distance.
There is some feel involved in the downhill putts though so sometimes it may be better to hit less than what is calculated, but that is experience. Judging the breaks is purely based on experience. Just understand that downhill putts will break more, uphill will break less.
Sorry if this is confusing or unwanted.
Phlyer, Quoted you on this just to say something to you about watching you play a few courses where I have Ghosted you while do some reviews. IMHO, I think that since you have come down to the CC-E level, this is exactly where you belong. Your game looks pretty solid with respect to your driving, pitches and overall course management. Just like all of the rest of us here, the issues lie with the putting and the needed corrections with the winds. Things that are sometimes a mystery to me when I seem to be getting the feel for it and then it all starts to go bad and the frustrations take over. As you know, and I can see your attempts to aim correctly while playing, it is all about those approach shots. The Big Dogs perform this so well, under all conditions it seems, that is why they can get those ridiculously low scores. They just never seem to have to put outside of 5 or 6 feet most times. As for reading the breaks, just like me, you seem to know exactly what to do, just struggle with the speed and distances. A few holes, I observed you lining up the putts with very adept adjustments, the speed was the problem. Your time here should help you get better at these things, and I think that in time, you will see your improvement.
So, overall I am saying that you have all the basics for better playing, but like all of us here in CC-E you are struggling with the same issues we all are. So, keep the head up and keep doing what you are doing, think that in time, and with the help of some courses better suited to our skill level, you will get better and more comfortable with your game and the improvements will happen. The last course that I ghosted you was next weeks course, Fraxinus. Up until hole #18, you did not play all that badly, and I think when you played it the winds were a little stronger than what it was when I played. Hope that you do have a good run at this course, think that it is a good course for us down here at our level.
Orion.....................
Heman.. Thank you very much
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Post by Henric on Aug 13, 2015 9:49:26 GMT -5
Shot a 65 on Thursday's course. I hope this continues.
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Post by Orion on Aug 13, 2015 13:50:25 GMT -5
Phlyer, You're very welcome, I think it is important to give and share confidence with others when the struggles are there and in doing so, we all gain something. I fully understand the bad holes jinx. When it rains, it pours. I have a similar jinx, but it is when I get to making a string of birdies, get the score down to -3 or so, then I start getting groups of bogies or double bogies. Just pisses me off to no end. Then as I recover all those lost shots and again find myself at - 2 or -3, the bad holes happen again or I am out of holes. Very frustrating, but I am working through all of this and I found a way around it!! I just do not make any birdies any more and just settle for Pars! (LOL) Just kidding, but as Sarintra so justly says playing or concentrating on just shooting for Par is not all that bad of a strategy to have. Sometimes just trying to play for birdies can cause us to put internal pressure on ourselves that affect our abilities because we have to take more risks to get those birds and just playing for Par gives us a free shot as it were. Sounds crazy I know, but it does work. I have now just been concentrating on making Pars on these difficult courses and when I do get a birdie, it is like a gift that just shows up. Anyway, it is about finding your own rhythm out there while playing and I think that you will find yours.
Orion...................
Thanks for the kind words Orion. I feel my game is slowly improving and the courses the next few weeks are going to help me gain some much needed confidence. The main struggles I have in most of my rounds is I group bad holes. They seem to come in bunches. Say if I hit a bogey or double bogey, I find myself trying to gain those strokes right back over the next few holes and it backfires into a stretch of 4 or 5 over in a 3 hole stretch because I take too many risks. I have to use better course management and allow the bad hole to be gone and the course to come back to me. Number 18 at Fraxinus was a killer on me the 1st couple of rounds i played it, but now I just power to the back on my second shot(club up) and chip close and settle for birdie or par. The couple of rounds I played in the stronger winds I got stuck down low and took a couple strokes to get back up top. I like the next few courses...The Timberwolf ate me alive yesterday when I played it...I think I carded a 79 with 2 in the water.
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Post by Orion on Aug 13, 2015 14:09:17 GMT -5
Heman, Very good, solid tips here, thanks for putting this out here. I have read some similar tips elsewhere, but your explanations make a lot of sense. Just a couple of thoughts or comments I want to add. Not sure of the platform you play on, the "yellow" marker, I assume that this is the moveable marker that we use to line up our putts with. I play on a PC and my marker is not yellow, but a dark vertical, pointed line as it were. Secondly, the different views that you use to putt, think you mentioned 3. These are based upon the camera settings or views you have selected in the Setup or Options screens. I think the default is 3, but there are more or less depending upon your own preferences, I use 4. So, just wanted to put this out and also to find out what platform you are on. Again, your info is much appreciated and makes sense. Thanks.
Orion......................
Putting is a tough one. Here is what I have found in the last week and it helps a ton. Anything 10 ft. and over I use the higher overhead view for putting (the third view in putting view). That way I can judge the distance I am taking the putter back. Depending on the total ft. of the putter, the back foot of the golfer is around 10 ft. (I mean if you take your putter back to the back foot, the ball should travel roughly 10 ft.). Anything 10 ft. and in or anything downhill to where I am hitting at a 10 ft. or in putt, I use the closer view and never take the putter past the back foot. Anything 4 ft. and in play minimal break and pull it back halfway/to the start of the back foot and it should be good. Anything 2-3 ft. and you should just be able to power one in with no break or just inside the cup (not too hard though, keep it halfway to the back foot).
If you line your yellow marker up correctly combined with knowing how far to take the putter back to get distances, you should see your putts coming very close or no more than 3-5 ft. past. The yellow marker is the key. Anything uphill, you take the 150% elevation and add 2. So if you had a 30 ft. putt at 8 inches uphill, you would take 8, add 4, and then add 2 to get a total of 14. Add that 14 to the total distance of the putt which would give you 44 ft. You would then move your yellow marker up to 44ft. and make your putter stroke to that distance, not the 30 ft.
For downhill putts, you take the elevation and subtract 1-2 and then subtract that from your total distance. Again, say you had a 30 ft. putt at 8 inches downhill. You would take 8, subtract 1-2 (which gives you 6-7), and subtract that from 30. So you would then move your yellow marker to 23-24 ft. and make your stroke to that distance.
There is some feel involved in the downhill putts though so sometimes it may be better to hit less than what is calculated, but that is experience. Judging the breaks is purely based on experience. Just understand that downhill putts will break more, uphill will break less.
Sorry if this is confusing or unwanted.
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Post by Orion on Aug 13, 2015 17:08:04 GMT -5
Heman, I have to make a correction to my last post on your putting tips. My aiming cursor is indeed yellow. Do not know why I thought it was dark in color. So, my apologies for my own confusion and any that I might have caused with others. Just another "Senior" moment I guess.
Orion........................
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