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Post by bassman70 on Nov 10, 2024 12:54:29 GMT -5
There will not be a new engine from what I've heard...still doesn't mean we can't get a better looking game in some aspect. I think we can all agree we would like a smooth running game, an easier to use course creator, more options in the course creator, a MUCH better single player season experience...I would keep our expectations in check BIG TIME...We won't get any different engine or graphical upgrade until the PS6 is released...so probably 4 more years with the same engine and similar textures is my guess.
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Post by greenlightning on Nov 10, 2024 13:20:23 GMT -5
I guess I'll miss out on improved graphics. The PS5 is the last console I'll be buying. Diminishing returns and all that. The PS3 was HD the 4 better than that and the 5 better still. The games however haven't gotten any better in some cases worse. So if 2k23 is the last golf game I ever buy and they don't shut down the servers I'll be just fine with that.
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Post by mjhamilton113 on Nov 10, 2024 13:52:10 GMT -5
There will not be a new engine from what I've heard...still doesn't mean we can't get a better looking game in some aspect. I think we can all agree we would like a smooth running game, an easier to use course creator, more options in the course creator, a MUCH better single player season experience...I would keep our expectations in check BIG TIME...We won't get any different engine or graphical upgrade until the PS6 is released...so probably 4 more years with the same engine and similar textures is my guess. I’m one of the few people that is OKAY without a new engine. With that said, the game needs improved graphics, lighting and performance. They will have spent 27-30 months in prod before releasing this version, it NEEDS to look better. Beyond the physical eye candy, the game needs significant improvements to be worth the buy, especially for those who are not hardcore fans. I have always found the game excellent with physics and the ability to replicate golf, so again I’m actually fine with the same engine |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Nov 10, 2024 14:02:38 GMT -5
There will not be a new engine from what I've heard...still doesn't mean we can't get a better looking game in some aspect. I think we can all agree we would like a smooth running game, an easier to use course creator, more options in the course creator, a MUCH better single player season experience...I would keep our expectations in check BIG TIME...We won't get any different engine or graphical upgrade until the PS6 is released...so probably 4 more years with the same engine and similar textures is my guess. I’m one of the few people that is OKAY without a new engine. With that said, the game needs improved graphics, lighting and performance. They will have spent 27-30 months in prod before releasing this version, it NEEDS to look better. Beyond the physical eye candy, the game needs significant improvements to be worth the buy, especially for those who are not hardcore fans. I have always found the game excellent with physics and the ability to replicate golf, so again I’m actually fine with the same engine I definitely wouldn’t go in expecting better visuals. Certainly unless you want to lose the option to run the game at 60fps. 2k23 on console has very pronounced depth of field and the resolution on performance mode is -to my eye - below 1080p. Unless they’ve seriously improved their optimisation for console, and I hope they have obviously, I’d expect it to be nigh on identical visually aside from some tweaks here and there. |
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Post by greenlightning on Nov 10, 2024 14:21:09 GMT -5
You can only hope the guys they brought over from EA only work on the career mode because if they touch the gameplay it's done.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 10, 2024 15:11:21 GMT -5
I can’t see them giving us better visuals even if they changed the engine after all EA Sports released their game on a supposed superior engine the Frostbite one and they couldn’t bring 60fps to console at the beginning, I’m not sure if they have achieved this with previous updates but I’m betting any 60fps update came at the cost of graphical fidelity. I’m more into gameplay and I’m afraid gameplay isn’t there in the EA game so I took it off the Xbox, I thought the swings were awful.
I’m actually happy with the graphics on PGA2K23 on my 4K TV with HDR the only thing they could improve might be the lighting. To me the biggest improvements in the game might be made in career mode for those that like it which I don’t, maybe Cross-play societies and maybe the course designer improving the textures, we can select including some textures from some of the official courses with the white sand in the rough we currently can’t get. I would love to get variable rough length from a couple of inches up to about knee high, the waves at the coastline they have on Pebble Beach, reverted bunkers that they have got on the Renaissance Club course. As a designer in the game that’s my focal point, take some items out of the designer that I think are a bit silly in a golf game like coffins and replace them with stuff more appropriate to a golf game. Maybe increase the size of the course file we can make and give us on console the ability to use a free camera mode on console - how hard can that be. Improved physics so the ball doesn’t bounce through heavy rough like it’s on fairway.
This is my perspective from a console not PC because I know you guys can get amazing graphics along with frame rates so don’t shoot me for my opinions we all have one like it or not.
Edit: I forgot about the dodgy physics where your ball stops on a downslope as well meaning you can’t pitch past the hole and expect it to come back every-time because it hangs on a yellow slope.
Les out peace ✌️
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Post by hammers1man on Nov 10, 2024 15:14:17 GMT -5
I’m one of the few people that is OKAY without a new engine. With that said, the game needs improved graphics, lighting and performance. They will have spent 27-30 months in prod before releasing this version, it NEEDS to look better. Beyond the physical eye candy, the game needs significant improvements to be worth the buy, especially for those who are not hardcore fans. I have always found the game excellent with physics and the ability to replicate golf, so again I’m actually fine with the same engine I definitely wouldn’t go in expecting better visuals. Certainly unless you want to lose the option to run the game at 60fps. 2k23 on console has very pronounced depth of field and the resolution on performance mode is -to my eye - below 1080p. Unless they’ve seriously improved their optimisation for console, and I hope they have obviously, I’d expect it to be nigh on identical visually aside from some tweaks here and there. Just having more assets in the designer can make the game better visually and courses can look more uniquie. More varied grass textures and more trees buildings etc. I noticed in later patches on 2K23 they introduced much better rocks and buildings. I run the game on native 4K and they looked really good,hopefully more 4K textures in the next game. Will we see Ray Tracing?, Tbh the PS Pro is realistically the only console that can handle proper Ray Tracing with good framerates.I think Unity is fine on this game and changing engines with a course designer is not a great move, we were chatting about UE 5 and Tbh that engine is just too demanding for consoles and a stutter fest on PC. The game definitely needs an option for VRR on consoles for those with 120hz VRR TV's. Also I quite like the textures on the greens in this game. I played EA's golf game, turned off the grids and the greens just looked dead flat to me. |
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Post by hammers1man on Nov 10, 2024 15:24:48 GMT -5
Also there is the other big problem VRam. As we load in whole courses this really does start to hit VRam. Consoles have a shared pool of just 16 gig for system and video which isn't great. So that's another reason the object meter will start to fill up pretty quickly, Xbox Series S only has 12 gig. If you look at EA's game you will notice the 3D grass will disappear into muddy textures 50 yards and further out which to me looks terrible. Tbh I was massively disappointed how good and how bad at the same time that game looked. Where 2K23 looks quite a bit better than consoles on PC. The PC version of EA PGA Tour doesn't look any better than the fidelity mode on consoles. It runs like sh%$ also. So would 2K25 be better with Frostbite, I doubt it.With UE5 it would probably look incredible but at a price of poor performance. Imo this game needs 60fps minimum.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 10, 2024 15:30:26 GMT -5
I think we’re probably looking at PGA 2K23 2.0 rather than a totally new game
Edit: and I’m quite happy with that, people have unrealistic expectations of what they can do on console. In the all powerful world of PC’s I would expect a much more improved game but I only have a laptop that struggles with 2K23 I’m lucky if it gets 60fps at 1080p
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Post by simonlunge on Nov 10, 2024 17:48:05 GMT -5
I guess I'll miss out on improved graphics. The PS5 is the last console I'll be buying. Diminishing returns and all that. The PS3 was HD the 4 better than that and the 5 better still. The games however haven't gotten any better in some cases worse. So if 2k23 is the last golf game I ever buy and they don't shut down the servers I'll be just fine with that. I haven’t bought a ps5 game yet that truly looks next gen.Kinda disappointed about the PS5 imho.Been told developers have barely tapped the power of it.Hoping GTA 6 sets the bar |
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Post by lessangster on Nov 10, 2024 18:15:10 GMT -5
My opinion the next game need to get rid of the based on numbers for putting, height and wind speed. It’s a counters paradise it needs to be more organic. I enjoy my rounds when I play off feel rather than counting beads to work out the line on a putt or adding or taking away a foot for every three feet difference in elevation or adjusting mathematically for wind speeds. Thankfully the wind doesn’t affect your shot sometimes as you expect but most of the other stuff does. Yes I know I can play no grids and without the wind accurately displayed but you don’t have enough information on the overhead map about green slopes and what your hitting to so you don’t know if your going to leave yourself an uphill putt or not.
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Post by lessangster on Nov 10, 2024 18:51:03 GMT -5
Another thing I would like to see but this pertains to TGCTOURS is to stop the guys above CC level ie. platinum, elite, kinetic players on the tours, stop their scores showing on the leaderboards. Impossible I know but to me they skew the leaderboards and you never know how your doing against people that are on your tour level. To me there’s nothing worse than shooting a great double digit score on your tour then looking at the leaderboard and seeing five or six platinum players with scores four or five shots better. I hear you say put it out of your mind and remember they’re better than you but it is difficult doing that.
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Post by longpole on Nov 11, 2024 2:18:45 GMT -5
My opinion the next game need to get rid of the based on numbers for putting, height and wind speed. It’s a counters paradise it needs to be more organic. I enjoy my rounds when I play off feel rather than counting beads to work out the line on a putt or adding or taking away a foot for every three feet difference in elevation or adjusting mathematically for wind speeds. Thankfully the wind doesn’t affect your shot sometimes as you expect but most of the other stuff does. Yes I know I can play no grids and without the wind accurately displayed but you don’t have enough information on the overhead map about green slopes and what your hitting to so you don’t know if your going to leave yourself an uphill putt or not. True sim in golf club 19 was bang on , overhead map showed elevation changes around the green and you also had fly bys. |
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Post by hammers1man on Nov 11, 2024 3:21:23 GMT -5
Another thing I would like to see but this pertains to TGCTOURS is to stop the guys above CC level ie. platinum, elite, kinetic players on the tours, stop their scores showing on the leaderboards. Impossible I know but to me they skew the leaderboards and you never know how your doing against people that are on your tour level. To me there’s nothing worse than shooting a great double digit score on your tour then looking at the leaderboard and seeing five or six platinum players with scores four or five shots better. I hear you say put it out of your mind and remember they’re better than you but it is difficult doing that. Isn't this what the website leaderboards are for. TGCTours are not allocated enough societies to have separate ones for each tour and flights. I am not sure why HB only gives them a limited amount of societies. I guess if the game goes cross platform TGCTours could have a separate in game society for every tour and CC with it's many individual flights. |
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Post by hammers1man on Nov 11, 2024 3:27:44 GMT -5
My opinion the next game need to get rid of the based on numbers for putting, height and wind speed. It’s a counters paradise it needs to be more organic. I enjoy my rounds when I play off feel rather than counting beads to work out the line on a putt or adding or taking away a foot for every three feet difference in elevation or adjusting mathematically for wind speeds. Thankfully the wind doesn’t affect your shot sometimes as you expect but most of the other stuff does. Yes I know I can play no grids and without the wind accurately displayed but you don’t have enough information on the overhead map about green slopes and what your hitting to so you don’t know if your going to leave yourself an uphill putt or not. True sim in golf club 19 was bang on , overhead map showed elevation changes around the green and you also had fly bys. I really miss the flyby before each hole in the older games.Maybe also next game we could have replays that aren't a complete waste of time to watch. |
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