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Post by Brenelan on Sept 20, 2023 19:54:03 GMT -5
Legend is not a tiny change lol. I don't mind Legend, but you can't seriously think that it's a tiny change? My guess is it's a minor change for the higher end players, who have consistent tempo/swing plane. Probably more penal for the middle of the pack/lower tier players. |
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Post by Pen Knight on Sept 20, 2023 20:04:22 GMT -5
Legend is not a tiny change lol. I don't mind Legend, but you can't seriously think that it's a tiny change? My guess is it's a minor change for the higher end players, who have consistent tempo/swing plane. Probably more penal for the middle of the pack/lower tier players. It literally puts 10 to 15 strokes on my per 18-hole average... it's not tiny and if you want to score well you have to really take your time and focus and get super sweaty. Which is fine but no way is that a tiny change. I don't mind playing it but stop telling me it's not a big difference. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2023 0:09:51 GMT -5
My guess is it's a minor change for the higher end players, who have consistent tempo/swing plane. Probably more penal for the middle of the pack/lower tier players. It literally puts 10 to 15 strokes on my per 18-hole average... it's not tiny and if you want to score well you have to really take your time and focus and get super sweaty. Which is fine but no way is that a tiny change. I don't mind playing it but stop telling me it's not a big difference. If I recall correctly you are using an Xbox controller on PC. While there is an advantage for swingplane there is a big disadvantage for tempo with Xbox controllers on legend. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 21, 2023 1:35:35 GMT -5
My guess is it's a minor change for the higher end players, who have consistent tempo/swing plane. Probably more penal for the middle of the pack/lower tier players. It literally puts 10 to 15 strokes on my per 18-hole average... it's not tiny and if you want to score well you have to really take your time and focus and get super sweaty. Which is fine but no way is that a tiny change. I don't mind playing it but stop telling me it's not a big difference. Totally agree. The casual and mid-lower pack players will find it a big change. The short game especially. The top players will breeze through the change. I haven’t got the required skill or the time needed to attack the challenge properly so I won’t bother. Simple. I don’t have an issue with the change as this Tour is not really aimed at players like myself. I’d also be quite happy to see legend adopted for the Pro Tours. It would affect me as I’m in Elite but not an “Elite” player. But the top tours by their very nature should carry a bigger challenge. I’ve stayed in this thread as I believe all opinions are valid but it’s quite clear where this Tour is heading. I hope it works out. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 21, 2023 1:58:55 GMT -5
My guess is it's a minor change for the higher end players, who have consistent tempo/swing plane. Probably more penal for the middle of the pack/lower tier players. It literally puts 10 to 15 strokes on my per 18-hole average... it's not tiny and if you want to score well you have to really take your time and focus and get super sweaty. Which is fine but no way is that a tiny change. I don't mind playing it but stop telling me it's not a big difference. When I say it's not a big difference in comparing it more to legend on 21. In that when you were off tempo you duffed it. In 23 off tempo / swingplane shots are maybe five or ten years farther offline than master. If you play a little bit safer (kind of what Hammers was saying above) you'll definitely adjust and be able to play at the same speed and shoot good scores. I play pretty quick maybe 15 minutes a round and my last two in TAN were -9 and -5. And I'm honestly not fantastic on this version especially swingplane. Guys on those societies who are right through CC regularly post really respectable numbers too. But I'm not trying to argue or anything btw guys. I always worry the tone of the conversation is lost a bit on a forum. You're right right that it will discourage some people and if participation nosedives and doesn't pick up I will fully support it if the guys decide to revert back. I just really hope a good few give it an honest go purely because I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how quickly you do adjust and how enjoyable it is (hopefully!). |
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Post by longpole on Sept 21, 2023 1:59:30 GMT -5
Yeah I get you boys , perhaps there is a bigger change for the more average player . But the tours do need a change its now becoming a chore and a little tedious doing the same old same old . I Don't class myself as a big gun , but I definitely wanna change and going legend I think will make scoring a lot closer and tense on the leaderboard as u play your rds .
TST definitely needs it, our cross platform legend society's, True sim :The legend tour , TAN tough as Nails and now Simulation tour on xbox the scoring is tight and anybody on there day can win 🏆 and its realistic the short game there's more pressure on them chips and certainly on 5ft putts .
Platinum definitely needs to go legend too as then they can play more realistic courses instead of funky goofy slopey fantasy courses what they normally shove up to try and keep scoring down
I'm in elite and will try to get to plat and then I'll call it a day unless it go's legend . Have fun golfing nerds 🤓
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 21, 2023 20:41:48 GMT -5
Yeah I get you boys , perhaps there is a bigger change for the more average player . But the tours do need a change its now becoming a chore and a little tedious doing the same old same old . I Don't class myself as a big gun , but I definitely wanna change and going legend I think will make scoring a lot closer and tense on the leaderboard as u play your rds . TST definitely needs it, our cross platform legend society's, True sim :The legend tour , TAN tough as Nails and now Simulation tour on xbox the scoring is tight and anybody on there day can win 🏆 and its realistic the short game there's more pressure on them chips and certainly on 5ft putts . Platinum definitely needs to go legend too as then they can play more realistic courses instead of funky goofy slopey fantasy courses what they normally shove up to try and keep scoring down I'm in elite and will try to get to plat and then I'll call it a day unless it go's legend . Have fun golfing nerds 🤓 I'm curious what the participation levels are for PC and PS in these other societies? On Xbox...... Simulation Tour: 22 members; 2-7 players in 5 events this season Tough as Nails: 23 members; no active events True Sim: The Legends Tour: 31 members; 4-10 players in 5 events this season |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 0:24:52 GMT -5
Yeah I get you boys , perhaps there is a bigger change for the more average player . But the tours do need a change its now becoming a chore and a little tedious doing the same old same old . I Don't class myself as a big gun , but I definitely wanna change and going legend I think will make scoring a lot closer and tense on the leaderboard as u play your rds . TST definitely needs it, our cross platform legend society's, True sim :The legend tour , TAN tough as Nails and now Simulation tour on xbox the scoring is tight and anybody on there day can win 🏆 and its realistic the short game there's more pressure on them chips and certainly on 5ft putts . Platinum definitely needs to go legend too as then they can play more realistic courses instead of funky goofy slopey fantasy courses what they normally shove up to try and keep scoring down I'm in elite and will try to get to plat and then I'll call it a day unless it go's legend . Have fun golfing nerds 🤓 I'm curious what the participation levels are for PC and PS in these other societies? On Xbox...... Simulation Tour: 22 members; 2-7 players in 5 events this season Tough as Nails: 23 members; no active events True Sim: The Legends Tour: 31 members; 4-10 players in 5 events this season This week on TRUE SIM: The Legend Tour we had 10 who finished on XBox, 12 on PC and 5 on Playstation, so 27 finished across the 3 platforms. PlayStation which probably has the largest user base on TGCTours has always had the least interest in the simulation societies for some reason. Scoring wise on the Legend Tour you do get some that finish double digits over par but love the challenge and come back and play every week. Not because they have a chance of ever winning but because they enjoy the challenge each week on the set up. We are getting more members playing and finishing on legend difficulty than we actually did when the society was master which tells me the sim community society members are enjoying it more than master. The problem that TST has with people who only play it because it is part of the tours here is that is that they are hitting crazy low scores on the aids tours. You only have to look at the scores right through the divisions to see how much challenge is presented each week. So I do expect TST to lose a few that a not particularly passionate about playing sim golf and TST is just the other tour they play. What moving to legend also does is balance the difficulty more throughout the whole game. On master it is pretty easy tee to green but around the greens the scrambling and the putting is quite a notch up in difficulty. Most of the very low scores this week are from firing darts at the holes then holing putts under 10 foot and taking advantage of par 5's. Tbh looking at the scores this week is actually another reason legend is much more suited for a sim tour. What I say to some people here, yes TST is on another planet difficulty level wise to master with aids but even if your first tournament is a struggle see if you can beat that score next tournament, golf is about you and the course, very few of us here have a chance of being in contention to win anyway. There is is a real gratification on improving your score on this level of sim golf on the game. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 22, 2023 4:24:15 GMT -5
Yeah I get you boys , perhaps there is a bigger change for the more average player . But the tours do need a change its now becoming a chore and a little tedious doing the same old same old . I Don't class myself as a big gun , but I definitely wanna change and going legend I think will make scoring a lot closer and tense on the leaderboard as u play your rds . TST definitely needs it, our cross platform legend society's, True sim :The legend tour , TAN tough as Nails and now Simulation tour on xbox the scoring is tight and anybody on there day can win 🏆 and its realistic the short game there's more pressure on them chips and certainly on 5ft putts . Platinum definitely needs to go legend too as then they can play more realistic courses instead of funky goofy slopey fantasy courses what they normally shove up to try and keep scoring down I'm in elite and will try to get to plat and then I'll call it a day unless it go's legend . Have fun golfing nerds 🤓 I'm curious what the participation levels are for PC and PS in these other societies? On Xbox...... Simulation Tour: 22 members; 2-7 players in 5 events this season Tough as Nails: 23 members; no active events True Sim: The Legends Tour: 31 members; 4-10 players in 5 events this season Just for context. I run simulation tour (badly) and fire up an event now and then. It never had a chance to develop and audience and is moreso just me and a few guys blasting a ball around. Likewise Legend Tour is maybe 3/4 weeks old and in its infancy. TAN is the one that is both established and has a settled / consistent schedule. The season just ended yesterday or the day before but going by the proboards I know they consistently averaged around 30 players per event. I guess we'll have to see if the TGC Name pulls more in. I hope it does and I hope that they stay. I'm just pleased they're giving it a go and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. I guess it'll depend if participation is AS important for a break off tour or if they're content (and Frans happy to give up his time) to admin a tour that might be small in numbers. It's got us all talking at least! Lol Edit: and, in all honesty, on Simulation Tour I really do take the piss with conditions and courses. Trying to aim for under par almost certainly guaranteeing a win. It will never ever have a broad audience with those setups and marker off. I think / hope Frans will have struck a nice compromise here with courses and marker on if we get legend on week one. |
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Post by Pen Knight on Sept 22, 2023 6:06:09 GMT -5
I beat Ross Nixon.
I beat Dyno.
I beat Brenelan.
I beat Undertale.
I'm the best!
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 28, 2023 21:10:54 GMT -5
After playing 2 rds of Pebble in a Legend sim society, I'm concerned the move to Legend will drastically reduce participation in TST. I know I'm not the target audience (casual/CC), but there's no way I'm playing 4 rds with those gimmicky pins. Just to damn frustrating.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 29, 2023 1:12:51 GMT -5
After playing 2 rds of Pebble in a Legend sim society, I'm concerned the move to Legend will drastically reduce participation in TST. I know I'm not the target audience (casual/CC), but there's no way I'm playing 4 rds with those gimmicky pins. Just to damn frustrating. TLDR: I run that society, it's intentionally niche and in those events swing difficult is only one of many challenges. Frans will take this a totally different road than simulation tour mate. As I said to you above I put extreme conditions on there and never really go below fast greens. Lahinch next week is very high wind, very firm, very firm, very fast for instance. Simulation Tour isn't meant to have a broad appeal in any way and is more a case of myself and a few others enjoying competing on major courses in conditions where in real life they'd be saying 'the greens staff have lost the course' AND I accidentally picked a version of pebble with massive slopes around the pins 💁 The good news is though Frans will do very little of that and rightly so. Completely different target audience. And he'll pick less borked or extreme rcrs. I have an hour or two a night after work to chill out right now, so in sim tour my process for picking courses is 'i wonder if X course is in the game, yeah, this one has plays it might be alright' then put the conditions as tough as possible. That one really is a niche society where we all like to struggle for par and I will happily go extreme on conditions. A much better comparison or indication of legend swing true sim difficulty would be TAN (Legend Sim: Tough as Nails) or True Sim: The Legend Tour. Both far more grounded and with more thought and testing put into courses. |
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Post by colly45 on Sept 29, 2023 2:32:58 GMT -5
If you’re on PS there’s also True Links Tour.As the name suggests it’s links courses only. 2 x rounds per week.As in real life it may get a bit breezy at times but the greens will always be a sensible speed.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 29, 2023 2:59:25 GMT -5
Really I think it's worth giving Frans the opportunity to see where he takes things rather than judging what it might like be based on other societies preferences. I have no doubt whatsoever he will rightly err on the side of caution with conditions. And maybe push it a little for majors just based on what he has done in the past.
I would encourage all to give it a few weeks to adjust unless you're really hating it.
And I'd be happy to jump into a casual round on mic to give some pointers or advice if anyone wants it. Just chuck me a message on here.
Edit: I see he's got the course up. Jefferson country club. First few weeks if anyone wants to set up a group practice round or something to try out the settings and one of us can even stream it for others I could make time for that. Just a thought.
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Post by longpole on Sept 29, 2023 5:36:49 GMT -5
Really I think it's worth giving Frans the opportunity to see where he takes things rather than judging what it might like be based on other societies preferences. I have no doubt whatsoever he will rightly err on the side of caution with conditions. And maybe push it a little for majors just based on what he has done in the past. I would encourage all to give it a few weeks to adjust unless you're really hating it. And I'd be happy to jump into a casual round on mic to give some pointers or advice if anyone wants it. Just chuck me a message on here. Edit: I see he's got the course up. Jefferson country club. First few weeks if anyone wants to set up a group practice round or something to try out the settings and one of us can even stream it for others I could make time for that. Just a thought. |
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